youngster nowadays...sigh..
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Ke lian de lao shi...
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excellent! the system we have here is not exactly supportive of students who are less academically inclined. they become marginalised and ostracised and frustrated with the system. and these students tend to cluster and fall behind and go wayward...Originally posted by wendy81:I can say Im strict towards my students and raises my voice when the students does misbehave...
After a while i understood that corporate treatment does not work as ive sent too many students to the P's office for canning for open defiance and absconding from school. I used the soft approach and definitely it works.
First of all, oways use the "I' message... everything starts with the teacher (personal life experiences can be used in here) Ive oways told them how i behaved in sec sch and how i achieve to what I am now... (of coz in between add some 'stories')
Secondly, as a form teacher or subject teacher, oways spend more time with the slower students or those students in gangs, get to noe them more and understand why they are not performing in school. And this is wat i did... i oways have to work till 9pm in the nite so that i could finish my admin work and lesson preparation because earlier in the day i was trying to building a rapport with my students either lunching or chatting normally in their lingo..
Thirdly, if they have unsupportive parents, the teachers will need alot of patience and call the parents up. We haf to be thick skinned and let them understand their child's performance in school. If they parents do not show concern, let them noe... 'As teachers, we are trying our very best to bring out the talent in your child, and we definitely need your support in making the parents proud of their child in the society in the near future. We aint complaining to you but we do need to let u understand what is going on in school as your child spends half their day in school with the teachers. The school can only help you to a certain limit as eventually, you are the parents.' There are times threats haf to be used on parents who turn abusive....(confidential)
Actually, it is partly due to parents over concern for a kid that they had adored their child far too much and so their child misbehave in school thinking they can haf they ways. But they are disciplined from the school, they complain to their parents wif a difft story.. so as teacher, the school and I do keep a record black and white and sometimes wif a witness asking the offender to sign on a piece of paper and den will send to parents to inform them.
But den again its not entire all the parents at fault because their child can be an angel at home but out for mischief in school because of peer influence... so pls do not blame entirely on the parents...
I was juz speaking from a teacher's point of view
(Abit too lengthy i noe..)
and it is the teachers who will have to make a difference here...
but sad to say not all teachers know and understand this. some refuse to teach at neighbourhood schools cos its less prestigious and cos they do not want to teach these less fortunate kids...
but teaching is about educating the younger generation, and not about prestige and avoiding problems rite? -
Im in no position to comment about the education system...Originally posted by wuming78:excellent! the system we have here is not exactly supportive of students who are less academically inclined. they become marginalised and ostracised and frustrated with the system. and these students tend to cluster and fall behind and go wayward...
and it is the teachers who will have to make a difference here...
but sad to say not all teachers know and understand this. some refuse to teach at neighbourhood schools cos its less prestigious and cos they do not want to teach these less fortunate kids...
but teaching is about educating the younger generation, and not about prestige and avoiding problems rite?
But then many teachers are getting fustrated teaching in neighbourhood schools.. prolly... the teachers themselves have been pampered thru'out their years in sec sch 
They can't put themselves into the shoes of many less fortunate kids and thus put an unnecessary stress on themselves and on the kids and so the kids tend to show unhappiness towards the teachers in other forms of actions. I, myself could not get used to the sch initially due to culture shock... but slowly I adapted to it.. it gives us a greater sense of satisfaction in the job rather than the other sch which ive been to.. esp. Mission sch. And slowly I get to love my job... but den again... the rigid sch system or the sch wif many politics does pull the morale of a teacher down greatly and this is happening in my sch. The quieter teacher does bite more painfully than those vocal ones... this is wat ive learnt in the sch Im 
The politics get worse when there are external factors involved in the sch activities I used to move on in the sch coz of the CCA but seems like Im now moving on in the sch due to my form class who has gone thru thick and thin wif me for the past half year .
Teaching is about being a disciplinarian and also an educator (of coz there are other jobs too like.. tel operator, nanny, cleaner, etc). I dunno about the other teachers but I do not teach my students according to the book so that i'm fair to them as they have read the books, i believe strongly in applying what they've read n learnt so I teach wif a difft approach.
Some teachers are more ambitious and definitely is teaching due to prestige (The ranking system is stressing all most teachers out) and many avoid problematic students so that they can haf a peaceful job in the sch. On the other hand, we teachers cannot get too involved with the students as someday we'll not know what troubles with the law they can get us to. There is a line to be drawn in between us but i still believe in treating them as a general friend coz teachers actually spend half of their day wif them. -
hm.. i do not understand wat is meant by being too involved with the students.Originally posted by wendy81:Some teachers are more ambitious and definitely is teaching due to prestige (The ranking system is stressing all most teachers out) and many avoid problematic students so that they can haf a peaceful job in the sch. On the other hand, we teachers cannot get too involved with the students as someday we'll not know what troubles with the law they can get us to. There is a line to be drawn in between us but i still believe in treating them as a general friend coz teachers actually spend half of their day wif them.
schools are the next most important social setting for youngsters after the family. it is also where they learn social control and are exposed to rules and regulations and authority. also they start to socialise with other kids in school too.
hence teachers play extremely important role in shaping these young people, esp. teachers in primary and secondary schools when they can still be influenced and moulded. they act not only as teachers, disciplinarians, educators but also role models, and friends. and in educating kids, i think its inevitable that relations have to be formed in order to educate them in a more holistic manner rather than education being focussed on teaching wat is required in the syllabus.
professional distance may be required but imo tt is only to maintain ur objectivity so as to better play ur role. perhaps tt is wat u meant by not becoming too involved with the students.
but if the distance is more due to fear of being implicated with wat the kids may end up into, den i am not too sure.
perhaps not having being a teacher before i still have romantic and idealistic thoughts. -
Think.. being a teacher has her fear... e.g. Mid-nite a fone call ring... and sleeping thus din pick up.. next morning on papers, student committed suicide... and the last fone call was frm that student ringing teacher to tell her he/she wanna die... feels guilty for life..Originally posted by wuming78:hm.. i do not understand wat is meant by being too involved with the students.
schools are the next most important social setting for youngsters after the family. it is also where they learn social control and are exposed to rules and regulations and authority. also they start to socialise with other kids in school too.
hence teachers play extremely important role in shaping these young people, esp. teachers in primary and secondary schools when they can still be influenced and moulded. they act not only as teachers, disciplinarians, educators but also role models, and friends. and in educating kids, i think its inevitable that relations have to be formed in order to educate them in a more holistic manner rather than education being focussed on teaching wat is required in the syllabus.
professional distance may be required but imo tt is only to maintain ur objectivity so as to better play ur role. perhaps tt is wat u meant by not becoming too involved with the students. <-- yepz yepz yepz...
but if the distance is more due to fear of being implicated with wat the kids may end up into, den i am not too sure. <--- nope nope nope...
perhaps not having being a teacher before i still have romantic and idealistic thoughts. -
yah.. teachers are in a privileged position when it comes to kids and if the rapport is there the potential of influencing their upbringing is huge. and so comes the responsibilities as well...Originally posted by wendy81:Think.. being a teacher has her fear... e.g. Mid-nite a fone call ring... and sleeping thus din pick up.. next morning on papers, student committed suicide... and the last fone call was frm that student ringing teacher to tell her he/she wanna die... feels guilty for life..
and its really ALL the kids who go through the education system - tt is almost like every single one of them, at least the primary level, unlike other social or youth workers who becomes involved only when something has been detected. -
Originally posted by wuming78:yah.. teachers are in a privileged position when it comes to kids and if the rapport is there the potential of influencing their upbringing is huge. and so comes the responsibilities as well...
and its really ALL the kids who go through the education system - tt is almost like every single one of them, at least the primary level, unlike other social or youth workers who becomes involved only when something has been detected. -
u may 1 2 consider my way of handling the NSF.
1) let them know first hand what they r into, 'the system'. they chose wat they wan and they will (must) accept what the out come of the event.
2)to be fair, i make such they know there r rules to follow thus there r also authorities n punishment to keep the system running.
3)lastly for the system to run, u MUST reward those who keep to the rules & u MUST punish those who break the rules. NEVER NEVER let the softer side of u emerge. u let the guys sh*t around u once, turst me, they will sh*t on ur head the next day & finally they will kill u 1 of these days with their sh*t.
the above formula is as easy as A,B & C.