Do you find it hard to click with hardcore Christian people?

• HENG@

  30 Oct 04, 02:38

  Originally posted by SibeiSuayKia:

  *Pays Chunyong .the scape goat 666 pounds and 666 SGD to kill both of them*
  
  story ends...
  
  

  wtf? punches SBSK in the face
• MrPaul

  30 Oct 04, 02:47

  Originally posted by applesweetgirl:

  hey yeah i super agree. they are very irritating.
  i do have christian friends though but thank god(hahahaha!) they are not like that!
  i especially hate christians for chiding me off when i say, "oh my god!"
  argh.

  no offense,I'm a christian and i dont like ppl going ard using the 'oh my god', but i dun do anything to stop them coz i respect their right to do watever they want.I think tat there will be quite a few christians who feel the same way as me................or is it just me?
• HENG@

  30 Oct 04, 02:52

  Originally posted by MrPaul:

  no offense,I'm a christian and i dont like ppl going ard using the 'oh my god', but i dun do anything to stop them coz i respect their right to do watever they want.I think tat there will be quite a few christians who feel the same way as me................or is it just me?

  unfortunately, its become a phrase widely used. thats culture, and u can do nothing really. anyhows, ppl are referring to their own "gods" they pray to, not necessary your god, so why does it bother u? oughta should be happy ppl r constantly have god in their minds.
• laurence82

  30 Oct 04, 02:58

  Seriously agreed with heng@.
  
  One may admit he believe in existence of god, not neccessarily he must believe the bibles dictates what god wants.
  
  Most of the time, this type of topics deal with people who insist people believe in god the christian way.
  
  
• MrPaul

  30 Oct 04, 02:59

  Originally posted by the.raven:

  if u stare long enough, jesus is going to pop out of Fucking no where and give u the finger.
  
  jk.

  A lot of non christians like to crack jokes like this(seem quite mild), to them they feel that it is ok, but to a christian, it is insulting(degree of insult depends on individuals' reaction to it). i know it is hard for ppl to understand y we feel offended tats y normally i just keep quiet and let it go...also becoz arguing only coz ppl to be more negative towards my faith. Not a hardcore christian but i do feel the insult...if i dun feel tat it is insulting i might as well dun call myself a christian...just airing my thoughts, pls dun be offended.respect ur right to say watever u want.
• HENG@

  30 Oct 04, 03:08

  Originally posted by laurence82:

  Seriously agreed with heng@.
  
  One may admit he believe in existence of god, not neccessarily he must believe the bibles dictates what god wants.
  
  Most of the time, this type of topics deal with people who insist people believe in god the christian way.
  
  

  i agree with ah lau(for the 1st time!)
  
  actually i do believe in god, its just that i disagree with the bible's interpretation of what god says. interpretations were made by human, with human bias and all, who's to say that IS the correct interpretation of god's will? If u look at how some ppl would just park their cars all over the place n cause inconveniences to others just for their church services, I wonder what the bible teaches them.
  
  so yes, i believe in god, but no, i don't believe in christanity, even though christianity took its name from Jesus Christ, the son of God, it's just a name, and ppl who argue that just because the religion took its name from the son of God, so it must be the right way, are not making any case for themselves, nor sounding logical.
• HENG@

  30 Oct 04, 03:08

  Originally posted by MrPaul:

  A lot of non christians like to crack jokes like this(seem quite mild), to them they feel that it is ok, but to a christian, it is insulting(degree of insult depends on individuals' reaction to it). i know it is hard for ppl to understand y we feel offended tats y normally i just keep quiet and let it go...also becoz arguing only coz ppl to be more negative towards my faith. Not a hardcore christian but i do feel the insult...if i dun feel tat it is insulting i might as well dun call myself a christian...just airing my thoughts, pls dun be offended.respect ur right to say watever u want.

  ok that i admit, is rather offensive, but thats the way the.raven is. we all know him.
• MrPaul

  30 Oct 04, 03:12

  Originally posted by HENG@:

  unfortunately, its become a phrase widely used. thats culture, and u can do nothing really. anyhows, ppl are referring to their own "gods" they pray to, not necessary your god, so why does it bother u? oughta should be happy ppl r constantly have god in their minds.

  agree.n i wuldnt do anything abt it, no pt wat. BUT r u sure ppl r REALLY refering to their gods when they say that? i dun think so, they r just using it as a replacement for an exclamation mark.and yes, i agree its cultural but i dun think it is respect for my god or any god by going ard 'omg' n tats y i dun do it.ppl do, their business....i wuldnt bother.....wuld be childish if i did.just airing my thoughts.
• laurence82

  30 Oct 04, 03:13

  Originally posted by HENG@:

  i agree with ah lau(for the 1st time!)
  
  

  nablezzz
• Nelstaer

  30 Oct 04, 03:14

  Originally posted by dibilo:

  
  
  scary.........

  OOHHHHHHHHH MY F.U.C.K.ING GOD. that's da b.i.t.c.h HE YAO SUN! THEY'RE F.U.C.K.ING WORSHIPPING DA B.I.T.C.H!
• HENG@

  30 Oct 04, 03:15

  Originally posted by MrPaul:

  agree.n i wuldnt do anything abt it, no pt wat. BUT r u sure ppl r REALLY refering to their gods when they say that? i dun think so, they r just using it as a replacement for an exclamation mark.and yes, i agree its cultural but i dun think it is respect for my god or any god by going ard 'omg' n tats y i dun do it.ppl do, their business....i wuldnt bother.....wuld be childish if i did.just airing my thoughts.

  well for the record, and how do u think ppl of other religion feel when christians go around saying if u dun believe in christianity u go to hell? thats not respect for their god or religion either. its much more obnoxious and self-centered as well. so i suppose if we don't make too big a hoo ha about it as well, then theres certainly not much grounds for christians being annoyed at something as unimportant or insignificant as ppl saying "oh my god".
• HENG@

  30 Oct 04, 03:18

  by the way lost of christians i know say "oh my god" too. if im not wong the 10 commandments include "thou shall not utter the lord's name in vain" or something like that? like if even the christians don't respect the 10 commandments, dun expect others to do so, especially non believers in god.
• laurence82

  30 Oct 04, 03:18

  Originally posted by MrPaul:

  agree.n i wuldnt do anything abt it, no pt wat. BUT r u sure ppl r REALLY refering to their gods when they say that? i dun think so, they r just using it as a replacement for an exclamation mark.and yes, i agree its cultural but i dun think it is respect for my god or any god by going ard 'omg' n tats y i dun do it.ppl do, their business....i wuldnt bother.....wuld be childish if i did.just airing my thoughts.

  actually its really cultural..or to be exact, colloquial..but why should it bother you when they use the word god? as long as they dont mean the christian god, doesnt matter what god they referring to, or not even any at all.
  
  unless you wanna propose christian have the exclusive rights to use the word god.
  
  
• MrPaul

  30 Oct 04, 03:27

  [quote]Originally posted by HENG@:
  [b]
  i agree with ah lau(for the 1st time!)
  
  actually i do believe in god, its just that i disagree with the bible's interpretation of what god says. interpretations were made by human, with human bias and all, who's to say that IS the correct interpretation of god's will? If u look at how some ppl would just park their cars all over the place n cause inconveniences to others just for their church services, I wonder what the bible teaches them.
  
  erm...didnt quote the whole thing coz a bit long. anyway, just wanna share smthing related but not responding to the quote,dun get me wrg.
  
  Saw some ppl tried to use logic and reasoning even science to explain y they feel that the contents of the bible is not accurate or even untrue. erm, to me,i feel tat logically, a TRUE creator(god) is not an object of a creation(eg. universe). And to use logic,reasonin n science which is part of the creation to understand FULLY the creator who is 'outside' of the creation(imagine set n sub sets ), its not possible. i wuldnt start a religious debate here.
  
  My point is to explain y i wuldnt use science,logic n reasoning to PROVE parts of the bible which seems 'weird' or not accurate to me.Some other benefits which come from the bible or more important to me then tat, if u know wat i mean.
  
  
• SibeiSuayKia

  30 Oct 04, 03:32

  Originally posted by HENG@:

  wtf? punches SBSK in the face

  ouch
  
  my nose is bleeding.......
  
• HENG@

  30 Oct 04, 03:34

  Originally posted by MrPaul:

  [quote]Originally posted by HENG@:
  [b]
  i agree with ah lau(for the 1st time!)
  
  actually i do believe in god, its just that i disagree with the bible's interpretation of what god says. interpretations were made by human, with human bias and all, who's to say that IS the correct interpretation of god's will? If u look at how some ppl would just park their cars all over the place n cause inconveniences to others just for their church services, I wonder what the bible teaches them.
  
  erm...didnt quote the whole thing coz a bit long. anyway, just wanna share smthing related but not responding to the quote,dun get me wrg.
  
  Saw some ppl tried to use logic and reasoning even science to explain y they feel that the contents of the bible is not accurate or even untrue. erm, to me,i feel tat logically, a TRUE creator(god) is not an object of a creation(eg. universe). And to use logic,reasonin n science which is part of the creation to understand FULLY the creator who is 'outside' of the creation(imagine set n sub sets ), its not possible. i wuldnt start a religious debate here.
  
  My point is to explain y i wuldnt use science,logic n reasoning to PROVE parts of the bible which seems 'weird' or not accurate to me.Some other benefits which come from the bible or more important to me then tat, if u know wat i mean.
  
  

  the problem is that its not that i find the logic or the scientific or reasoning of the bible wrong. rather, i find that, deep down in my heart, I feel that its just, not correct. just as u can't explain it to non-christians, its the same thing i can't explain to christians, esp when they are set in way of viewing their religion.
• MrPaul

  30 Oct 04, 03:39

  Originally posted by laurence82:

  actually its really cultural..or to be exact, colloquial..but why should it bother you when they use the word god? as long as they dont mean the christian god, doesnt matter what god they referring to, or not even any at all.
  
  unless you wanna propose christian have the exclusive rights to use the word god.
  
  

  i know wat u mean and i agree to a certain extent. But words have meaning, so how u use it does matters otherwise ppl wuldnt feel offended when being scolded FUCK U rite?(not scolding u)and also I dun actually think of it as an insult to christianity(exclusively) if u get wat i mean.
  
  understand tat there will also be some words tat when used in the wrg way affects u too(maybe when it insults ur loved ones?). u will feel offended to rite? u may say ppl r REAL, god isn't...and tats our difference.just my thoughts on ur post.nothing personal.
• laurence82

  30 Oct 04, 03:49

  Originally posted by MrPaul:

  i know wat u mean and i agree to a certain extent. But words have meaning, so how u use it does matters otherwise ppl wuldnt feel offended when being scolded FUCK U rite?(not scolding u)and also I dun actually think of it as an insult to christianity(exclusively) if u get wat i mean.
  
  understand tat there will also be some words tat when used in the wrg way affects u too(maybe when it insults ur loved ones?). u will feel offended to rite? u may say ppl r REAL, god isn't...and tats our difference.just my thoughts on ur post.nothing personal.

  hmm, actually in my opinion, its taking the meaning of the remark too far deep, some people call it 'think too much'
  
  unless such remarks have expressed or implied reference to a subject matter, saying such stuff out of thin air seriously dont have any meaning, and i dont think its about perspective.
  
  also, unless, you have some impression they are really insulting someone or something, my advice is not to think too much abt it.
  
  
• MrPaul

  30 Oct 04, 03:52

  Originally posted by HENG@:

  the problem is that its not that i find the logic or the scientific or reasoning of the bible wrong. rather, i find that, deep down in my heart, I feel that its just, not correct. just as u can't explain it to non-christians, its the same thing i can't explain to christians, esp when they are set in way of viewing their religion.

  i get wat u mean and i believe most ppl who look at religion wif a more serious mindset probably feel this way but ironically, in this case, the easiest way to find out the answers to ur doubts is to enter a church literally.
• HENG@

  30 Oct 04, 03:53

  Originally posted by MrPaul:

  i get wat u mean and i believe most ppl who look at religion wif a more serious mindset probably feel this way but ironically, in this case, the easiest way to find out the answers to ur doubts is to enter a church literally.

  enter a church literally? THAT I DID. and guess why I decided that christianity is not for me?
• laurence82

  30 Oct 04, 03:59

  in anyway, i agree with mrpaul in the sense, religion is about faith, not by scientific or logical argument.
  
  altho it sounds nonsensical to many 'logical' and 'scientific' people, we must be reminded that we are afterall humans. even trying to argue logically about stuff requires perspectives and beliefs, invoking our feelings and emotions too.
  
  similarly, religion is about emotions, feelings, faith, self reasoning...not some universal truth, science, logic....
• NuLife

  30 Oct 04, 04:01

  They r pethetic losers...
  
  Theres many views/incidents i can share:
  1)Im starting to find that these esp happen ONLY in singapore...
  tat some people believe in christainity bcos of its
  'association w western culture n class n rich'
  N i believe such association mayb subconcious to them..
  which i also find it e reason why many gals/women become christains too..
  
  I discussed w frens n many think e same way.
  
  Usually thos who were born a christain r alrite...
  its thos who join later, some r what i consider...
  'blind/fake believer' or 'lost souls'... heee
  
  2) During a frens wedding, whos a christain,
  jus b4 the real dinner, they were having some ceremony
  doin someting lik wat the was in picture sent earlier,
  w the couple kneeing n some people behind w hand stretched out
  w their palms on the couple, n chantg some 'bla bla'...
  Everyone atmy table.. mostly engineers, who r generally freethinkers,
  immediately walked out... find it too ridiculous... haaa
  no need to respect.. since such act infront of us,
  r also lik disrespect in a way...
  esp also w all thos singing of christains songs w lyrics on table..
  expect everyone to follow... nuts..
  
  3) I had had encounters w some former colleagues
  who r hardcore christains... n everyone else simply
  find them irritating n distant from them.
  one was so crazy to argue the scientific theory of
  evoulution is untrue...haaaa...
  Another time, we were talking abt gays,
  n i jokingly said tat gays even exist in animals...
  n he went on to email to national geographic to persue
  his own belief tat god said otherwise...etc etc... nuts...
  
  4)sometime back, thes also once a group of christians who
  went knocking on every door in my block n sent fliers on church events...
  i personally find it way too reidiculous n irritating...
  sending fliers is bad enuf, do they hav to knock on every door!!!!?!?!
  
  5)My mum's fren complain abt her daughter praying
  during dinner 'To thank God for giving her food'.
  But e mum retorted 'its HER MUM, that gave her food' not God...haaaa;p
  
  6)Well, if believing tat GOD exist is a religion,
  then NOT believing itself is a religion.
  Thus FreeThinker/Atheist = A religion.
  So Christains better respect OUR belief.
  Thus telling me/us : 'Hey, there is GOD'
  is lik we telling christains that: 'Hey, There is no God la' ?!?!
  
  So christains, dun go around telling people to believe in wat u believe.
  Keep them to urself... cos most find it SICKENING!!!
  
  7)Few reasons I do not like abt Singapore:
  a)National Service
  b)Hot Weather
  c)High living expenses, price of car
  d)Society littered w many christians tat associate
  christianity w class/western culture
  + Sickening Hardcore Christians
  
  
• MrPaul

  30 Oct 04, 04:03

  Originally posted by laurence82:

  hmm, actually in my opinion, its taking the meaning of the remark too far deep, some people call it 'think too much'
  
  unless such remarks have expressed or implied reference to a subject matter, saying such stuff out of thin air seriously dont have any meaning, and i dont think its about perspective.
  
  also, unless, you have some impression they are really insulting someone or something, my advice is not to think too much abt it.
  
  

  i'm not thinking too much. i'll explain more clearly. wat i meant was i feel its insulting if that person uses omg very frequently but maybe insulting is too strong a word(bad english on my part,sry)...maybe [dislike] a better choice of word.But i also mentioned tat i wuld just leave it.wuldnt bother to do anything to show my dislike for the behavior.
  
  actually maybe quite personal perhaps. just dun like to hear it. a tiny little bit irritating at times.
• HENG@

  30 Oct 04, 04:06

  Originally posted by MrPaul:

  i'm not thinking too much. i'll explain more clearly. wat i meant was i feel its insulting if that person uses omg very frequently but maybe insulting is too strong a word(bad english on my part,sry)...maybe [dislike] a better choice of word.But i also mentioned tat i wuld just leave it.wuldnt bother to do anything to show my dislike for the behavior.
  
  actually maybe quite personal perhaps. just dun like to hear it. a tiny little bit irritating at times.

  maybe some ppl are too easily irritated.
• laurence82

  30 Oct 04, 04:08

  Originally posted by HENG@:

  maybe some ppl are too easily irritated.

  that would be classified under psychowassit..
  
  hey btw where is our mr psychowassit he haben appear for long time...