China says 400 million can't speak national language

Clivebenss

4 Feb 14, 10:04

Originally posted by BanguIzai:

BanguIzai

4 Feb 14, 20:01

Originally posted by Clivebenss:

Most people nowadays say é¦¬é�¢ be bin.

Fewer people nowadays say æˆ½æ–—é�¢ hor tau bin.

Clivebenss

5 Feb 14, 18:15

Originally posted by BanguIzai:

Most people nowadays say é¦¬é�¢ be bin.

Fewer people nowadays say æˆ½æ–—é�¢ hor tau bin.

may be nowadays is

pun tau bin.

BanguIzai

5 Feb 14, 21:14

Originally posted by Clivebenss:

may be nowadays is

pun tau bin.

TehJarVu

5 Feb 14, 21:17

Originally posted by BanguIzai:

^Acid^ aka s|aO^eH~

6 Feb 14, 09:42

Clivebenss

6 Feb 14, 09:56

Originally posted by BanguIzai:

BanguIzai

6 Feb 14, 19:29

may be nowadays is

ç†¨æ–—é�¢ ut-tau-bin.

http://pann.news.nate.com/info/253687352

Clivebenss

7 Feb 14, 18:41

iron face.

é“�æ�¿é�¢ ti pan bin (cold stern look).

BanguIzai

7 Feb 14, 23:21

Originally posted by Clivebenss:

iron face.

é“�æ�¿é�¢ ti pan bin (cold stern look).

ya thanks for sharing, I heard of é�µæ�¿é�¢ thih-pan-bin before, to describe someone é�µé�¢ç„¡ç§� strict and fair kind of cold stern look

May I humbly ask u, I have ever come across this expression another "é�¢ bin" expression as below:

tom-bo-é�¢ or tong-bo-é�¢ ï¼ˆtom-bo-bin or tong-bo-binï¼‰
approximate to characters in Hokkien: è•©tong+ç„¡bo(rising tone)+é�¢ ???

Used to describe someone's look which is "giving a heck-care face", but I have not been able to figure out the origin and I am puzzled why hardly hearing anyone else use this.

Any idea out there?

Clivebenss

8 Feb 14, 01:16

åŠ¨æŸ�é�¢ tong bor bin - fakish, insincere or cheat, a hypocrite.

åŠ¨ = false moves,
æŸ� = talk about other people, to distract.

Clivebenss

8 Feb 14, 01:19

é“�æ�¿é�¢ is just a cold stern face nothing to do with justice. may be you watch too much justice pao.

BanguIzai

9 Feb 14, 01:05

Originally posted by Clivebenss:

é“�æ�¿é�¢ is just a cold stern face nothing to do with justice. may be you watch too much justice pao.

Haa, perhaps I watch too much in the past. I had some é�µæ�¿é�¢ teachers in the past as well. They are good ones in fact.

Cutie Justice Pao here: ( hehehe, without é�µæ�¿é�¢)

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And really thank you Clivebenss for tong-bor-bin ! Finally I have an idea at least. Wonder why almost not hearing anyone use it at all

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Yucks! But what is this bin é�¢ here ?? Oh my gosh !!

Tam-Pon-Bin ???

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Jokes aside, hahaha

How do you use the commonly heard Hokkien phrase:

å�ç”·é�¢ hau-lam-bin

It is not as commonly heard nowadays as in the past as well.

--- I use it to describe someone with a kind of "fucked-up melancholy face". How about you??

Clivebenss

9 Feb 14, 03:26

åŠ¨æŸ�é�¢ was hardly used even by my generation. If you have not brought up it's has not surfaced for me a long time. Last heard was back in the early 70s by an old relative.

å�ç”·é�¢ still can be heard nowadays. Another term commonly used for the same sour face is ç¥–å¸ˆçˆ· chor si yah which has a black face.

BanguIzai

9 Feb 14, 16:15

Originally posted by Clivebenss:

åŠ¨æŸ�é�¢ was hardly used even by my generation. If you have not brought up it's has not surfaced for me a long time. Last heard was back in the early 70s by an old relative.

å�ç”·é�¢ still can be heard nowadays. Another term commonly used for the same sour face is ç¥–å¸ˆçˆ· chor si yah which has a black face.

åŠ¨æŸ�é�¢ tong-bor-bin was used oni 1 or 2 times that I heard before.

å�ç”·é�¢ hau-lam-bin is always used by me in a derogatory sense for "sour face".

ç¥–å¸«çˆº tsor-si-ya is something that I have not heard before. Great to hear another expression here being preserved out there.

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I am relieved that many of us still know some obscure expressions that have survived in Singapore. They not necessariily are being spoken in Fujian anymore, and as well does not equate to everything that is spoken in Hokkien of Taiwan.

Many times I hear people around me saying to learn Hokkien is to learn from Taiwanese Hokkien shows. However, it is not 100% same as revitalising Singaporean Hokkien. Because Singapore Hokkien evolved separately from Taiwan Hokkien as well as China Hokkien. It's evolution is more similar to Malaysia Southern Hokkien (boundary from south of Negri Sembilan until Johor, include Malacca)

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Sidetracking from the é�¢ bin topic for "a moment", I remember my grandma used a very special Hokkien expression for "a moment" :

ç¿»èº« huan-sin = in a blink of time, immediately, just a moment, shortly

I notice nowadays no-one uses ç¿»èº« huan-sin anymore.

Some Hokkiens (not me) uses another obscure Hokkien expression for "a moment" :

è‡¨é‚Š liam-mi = in a blink of time, immediately, just a moment, shortly

As with ç¿»èº« huan-sin, I guess no-one elses uses è‡¨é‚Š liam-mi to mean "shortly" in the present time.

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Any more é�¢ bin expressions?

Something that is akin to é�µæ�¿é�¢ th'ih-pan-bin, is the phrase å‡Šé�¢ tsh'in-bin (literally "cold face" = expressionless face).

TehJarVu

9 Feb 14, 16:20

bo bin

xia lan bin

kiam pak bin

BanguIzai

9 Feb 14, 16:27

Originally posted by TehJarVu:

bo bin

xia lan bin

kiam pak bin

bo bin = I deduce ç„¡é�¢ bo-bin, "face all thrown, no give face"

xia lan bin = I deduce ç€‰è†¦é�¢ sia-lan-bin, ç€‰sia=disgrace, è†¦lan=testicles , "fucked-up face"

kiam pak bin = I deduce æ¬ æ‹�é�¢ kh'iam-ph'ah-bin, æ¬ kh'iam=owe, æ‹�ph'ah=hit, "no trouble find trouble face"

Clivebenss

9 Feb 14, 17:12

Originally posted by BanguIzai:

åŠ¨æŸ�é�¢ tong-bor-bin was used oni 1 or 2 times that I heard before.

å�ç”·é�¢ hau-lam-bin is always used by me in a derogatory sense for "sour face".

ç¥–å¸«çˆº tsor-si-ya is something that I have not heard before. Great to hear another expression here being preserved out there.

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I am relieved that many of us still know some obscure expressions that have survived in Singapore. They not necessariily are being spoken in Fujian anymore, and as well does not equate to everything that is spoken in Hokkien of Taiwan.

Many times I hear people around me saying to learn Hokkien is to learn from Taiwanese Hokkien shows. However, it is not 100% same as revitalising Singaporean Hokkien. Because Singapore Hokkien evolved separately from Taiwan Hokkien as well as China Hokkien. It's evolution is more similar to Malaysia Southern Hokkien (boundary from south of Negri Sembilan until Johor, include Malacca)

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Sidetracking from the é�¢ bin topic for "a moment", I remember my grandma used a very special Hokkien expression for "a moment" :

ç¿»èº« huan-sin = in a blink of time, immediately, just a moment, shortly

I notice nowadays no-one uses ç¿»èº« huan-sin anymore.

Some Hokkiens (not me) uses another obscure Hokkien expression for "a moment" :

è‡¨é‚Š liam-mi = in a blink of time, immediately, just a moment, shortly

As with ç¿»èº« huan-sin, I guess no-one elses uses è‡¨é‚Š liam-mi to mean "shortly" in the present time.

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Any more é�¢ bin expressions?

Something that is akin to é�µæ�¿é�¢ th'ih-pan-bin, is the phrase å‡Šé�¢ tsh'in-bin (literally "cold face" = expressionless face).

ç¿»èº«, è‡¨é‚Š is still heard. jit bang nia (sorry unable to get my chinese characters working) is more often.

Another bin a bit vulgar no doubt.

su lang mn su thin su thin lanjiao bin.

BanguIzai

9 Feb 14, 23:51

Originally posted by Clivebenss:

ç¿»èº«, è‡¨é‚Š is still heard. jit bang nia (sorry unable to get my chinese characters working) is more often.

Another bin a bit vulgar no doubt.

su lang mn su thin su thin lanjiao bin.

ç¿»èº« huan-sin and è‡¨é‚Š liam-mi indeed are the "older" types to express "a moment's time".

If I am not wrong, there is even a more traditional way of saying "in a blink of time, immediately, just a moment, shortly", just 1 word only :

éš¨ sui = in a blink of time, immediately, just a moment, shortly

Eg: æ±�åŽ»å…ˆï¼Œæˆ‘éš¨ä¾†ã€‚ Li Kh'i Seng, Wa Sui Lai. (You shall go first, I will come shortly.)

As with ç¿»èº« huan-sin and è‡¨é‚Š liam-mi , éš¨ sui is hardly heard nowadays.

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Now, as you mentioned, this expression is used more often:

ã€Œjit bang niaã€� = in a blink of time, immediately, just a moment, shortly

This expression has a sound change very similar to it's sibling word which we had discussed before here :

http://sgforums.com/forums/3545/topics/440050?page=35#post_10413604

Route

é€™ç›® Tsit Bak â–º Tsip Bak â–º Tsip Mak â–º Tsim Mak (when spoken at normal pace) â–º Tsi Ma (when spoken fast)

é€™ç›® means "at the blink of the eye" â–º "this moment" â–º "now"

ã€Œjit bang niaã€�or ã€Œjit ban niaã€�is a merger of sound from 4 words :

1. èœ€ (or commonly written as ã€Œä¸€ã€�) = Tsit = "One"
2. ç›® = Bak = "Eye"
3. (ç›®è�¶) = Nih = "Blink"
4. ä»” = A = "Diminuitive Ending"

èœ€ç›®(ç›®è�¶)ä»” = Tsit Bak Nih A â–º Tsit Bak Nia â–º Tsit Ban Nia â–º Tsit Bang Nia

Please see this link here, as already expounded by someone else:

http://www.ptt.cc/bbs/TW-language/M.1378095100.A.619.html

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Clivebenss

10 Feb 14, 09:05

æ±�åŽ»å…ˆï¼Œæˆ‘éš¨ä¾†ã€‚ Li Kh'i Seng, Wa Sui Lai éš¨ still used often but my pronounciation is Sua and the sentence will add a å°¾; æ±�åŽ»å…ˆï¼Œæˆ‘éš¨å°¾ä¾†.

BanguIzai

10 Feb 14, 11:05

Originally posted by Clivebenss:

æ±�åŽ»å…ˆï¼Œæˆ‘éš¨ä¾†ã€‚ Li Kh'i Seng, Wa Sui Lai éš¨ still used often but my pronounciation is Sua and the sentence will add a å°¾; æ±�åŽ»å…ˆï¼Œæˆ‘éš¨å°¾ä¾†.

Yup, çºŒå°¾ sua-be is another connective element now not commonly heard as well.

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Even æ‹„æ‹„ tu-tu is being replaced by å•±å•± gam-gam nowadays.

eg. æ‹„æ‹„å¥½ tu-tu-ho → å•±å•±å¥½ gam-gam-ho

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å‡¡æ‹„å‹¢ huan-tu-se or å‡¡å‹¢ huan-se or æ‰é‡‡ kh'iam-tsh'ai is being replaced by å�¯èƒ½ kh'o-leng nowadays.

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BanguIzai

10 Feb 14, 21:58

The many different kinds of "Hokkien" é�¢ bin is presented in this book:

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