ULTIMATE Idea to Increase Singapore Birth Rate CONFIRM WORK
-
Originally posted by John Wong:
Why you keep talking about me? I told you I am 30/f/singaporean with 1 kid and another on the way...
i wonder what kind of hb/father u will become/you are.. -
Originally posted by [imdestinyz]:
basically they resorted to moral blackmail, no i dont earn alot, i dont flaunt my money, i dont act rich and they are well aware of how much im earning. But no they dont treat my money as my money, yes they treat my money as their money, no they dont care about me(at least thats what i tink), yes they incur loans cant pay back and expect children to take personal loans from banks to cover their loans. Basically, my feel is, they have children so that 1) children supposed to take care of them when they are old so they can spend what they want then come back take our money, 2) so that they look good have face, 3) they see our money as their money.
To put it simply.. your parents are manipulative.
They guilt you into giving them your money or whatever they want to take from you.
Guilt is a very powerful tool... and a lot of parents use that on their kids. A more subtle form of passive aggression.
In Asian culture, it's very prevalent.
However, as long as you understand and see it as it is.. a manipulative act. You can actually stand up against it.. and be a victim no more.
As children we do owe our parents some payback..it's undeniable that they raised us with their time, effort and money... but the payback can be in a different currency.
Apparently, your parents only wants money. The question is ... WHEN does it end ???
Can they accept affections as an alternative form of return ?
If you are in financial hardship due to their demands, you should make it very clear to your parents.... you are unable to give them what they want... rather... give them what you can afford.
They cannot force you to take a loan... because you can say NO.
As adults, your parents need to take personal responsibility for their own finances. It's time your parents behave like an adult...
And you need to stop behaving like a scapegoat.
While I understand we as children, really try our best to not disappoint our parents... we need to recognise that.. not all parents do what is in the best interest for their kids.
And when a parent start to abuse or exploit you (the child).. it's time to put your feet down.. HARD.
If your parents still insist in making you financially drained with no regards for your well being... then it's time to accept they don't love you enough to care about you .
That said it's time to cut them out of your life.
-
Yesterday's straits times talked about China's feminist movement's war on unwed women. lol
-
Originally posted by jojobeach:
To put it simply.. your parents are manipulative.
They guilt you into giving them your money or whatever they want to take from you.
Guilt is a very powerful tool... and a lot of parents use that on their kids. A more subtle form of passive aggression.
In Asian culture, it's very prevalent.
However, as long as you understand and see it as it is.. a manipulative act. You can actually stand up against it.. and be a victim no more.
As children we do owe our parents some payback..it's undeniable that they raised us with their time, effort and money... but the payback can be in a different currency.
Apparently, your parents only wants money. The question is ... WHEN does it end ???
Can they accept affections as an alternative form of return ?
If you are in financial hardship due to their demands, you should make it very clear to your parents.... you are unable to give them what they want... rather... give them what you can afford.
They cannot force you to take a loan... because you can say NO.
As adults, your parents need to take personal responsibility for their own finances. It's time your parents behave like an adult...
And you need to stop behaving like a scapegoat.
While I understand we as children, really try our best to not disappoint our parents... we need to recognise that.. not all parents do what is in the best interest for their kids.
And when a parent start to abuse or exploit you (the child).. it's time to put your feet down.. HARD.
If your parents still insist in making you financially drained with no regards for your well being... then it's time to accept they don't love you enough to care about you .
That said it's time to cut them out of your life.
hmmm whatever that happened has not been a one off incident... so apparently, everyone around me has been telling me to cut off from them. Seems like moving out is really a viable choice.
-
No Mr John your prescription won't work.
The only way for singapore to increase birth rate is
1) More land = people will only multiply when they are in the country side. You see, in india, indonesia, china, nigeria and brazil, people get married n hv kids because the countryside encourage them to do so.
So for singapore to have more land is to merge with malaysia so they can have access to the countryside
2) go back to poverty = if you notice those countries like pakistan and india, why their birth rates so high is because they are poor. When people are rich, got careers and property, materialism tend to make them postpone marriage. When chinese couples get married at 30s, they find it hard to make babies, because of impotency or as you know the older the woman the harder to conceive babies.
If you look at countries in poverty, they get married at age 18 to 22. This is ripe age to make babies.
So singapore should go back to subsistence farming, fishing, collecting scraps, salvage microchip garbage and dismantling old cruise liner ships. Demolish all high rise office towers and tell the foreign MNC to move away.
3) Encourage arrange marriage and discourage women from taking up careers. ALl parents should quickly marry off their daughters when they are teenage years to adult hamsap uncle men. Thsi way the women cannot have proper education and then have to stay at home to take care of the family.
Also allow men to be able to marry 4 wives.
Allow poligamy.
4) Ban condoms and bring in porn industry. Encourage teenage pregnancy. Mediacorp set up a porn channel division. Bring in husler, playboy and sweedish porn magazines publications to the country. Singapore become new tax shelter for japanese, swedish, american and eastern europe porn industry to film in the country. Open minds of the youth, for free sex.
Ban abortion.
5) Give tax rebates for every new born baby. Give tax deductions for purchase of diapers, schooling and kid's clothings. Give tax rebates to newlyweds in their first year of marriage
6) Govt give free fertilisation therapy for infertile couples. Bring in baby mamas from impoverish countries to help become surrogate mothers for infertile couples.
7) Provide more housing for couples. Each housing have extra room build, called the love room, equip with sexy music, with pornstar posters, whips and candlesticks.
8) Decriminalise public sex. Encourage more couples to form blog sites to show their sex scenes in public.
9) Set up forums for swingers.
-
I see more trolls here.
trolololol...
-
Originally posted by Summer hill:
I see more trolls here.
trolololol...
Of cors... Speakoutfor is another foreign trash... we need less of them here.
Less of them in our land means more resources for our native born to have for making babies...
Look at how stupid the foreign trash are.... they only make our nation dumber with too many of them around...
-
Originally posted by [imdestinyz]:
hmmm whatever that happened has not been a one off incident... so apparently, everyone around me has been telling me to cut off from them. Seems like moving out is really a viable choice.
ok. That means it's time to stop enabling their bad practices.
You'll see more guilt manipulation coming your way... the moment you start cutting them off...
So be mentally prepared.
-
Originally posted by jojobeach:
oooohhh.. now you wanna rope in your whole CLAN and supporters...I am shaking in fear...
Well actually no... you see.. it doesnt matter how many clan members you show my post to..... what they say has no effect nor does it in-validate on my opinion.
Here's why... because it's their job to SUPPORT you the fool.. no matter what you say or do...right or wrong... they have the fiduciary duty to back you up. That's what friends do, and that's what family do.
So yah... go ahead.... and show it to everyone you know... their answer will be.. " oh she's crazy dude.. just ignore her... why get all worked up ? not worth it de"... right ?
Well.. that's what I'd do to my friend too... even tho in my heart.. I think the other party is right.. and my friend is nuts.
Because when my friend come ask me for support.. I know they really just need to feel validated... so they feel good about themselves... now why would I deprive them of that.... it will be just cruel.. especially to a stubborn old man like you.
So there there... go live in your little bubble.... Mr right.. OK ? Good.
....... actually it's people asking me what I'm reading/doing in this forum..... and why I'm even in a forum in the first place because they don't have such habits. hence the showing part.
you need to stop letting your insecurities take over.
-
Originally posted by jojobeach:
eh, how old are you really. It's quite strenuous to explain things to a child pretending to know adult stuff.
Actually, most part of your post is BS. I really don't know what you have been taught.. perhaps by your very selfish parents.
A parent who uses their children as retirement insurance is SELFISH.
I am a working adult... and I am socking away a lot of money for my reitrement. I have no intention at all to rely on my children to take care of me when I am old.
If they do stay close by for my sake.. well.. that will be because they WANT to.. not because they HAVE to.. and I will be grateful for that.
The true teaching of Filial piety is a two way street.. along the generations... self serving parents exploited this teaching and distorted it for their own convenience...get yourself properly educated please.
Not only am I planning for my retirement.. I am also putting money away for my children to send them to top schools..so they may acquire skill/knowledge/ability to take care of themselves when I can no longer take care of them. And at the mean time.. I am spending a lot of money on my children to make sure they are living a comfortable life.
Do I expect them to take care of their children, yes . Do I expect them to rely on my grandchildren to take care of them ? Hopefully NOT.
"How about those who did not have children? They are relying on OTHER PEOPLE children to support. other people children will have to work very very hard, pay a lot lot of tax to pay for the hospital, doctor, nursing home, etc of the previous generation."
This you have mentioned... is a PONZI scheme. Google it.. if you dont' know what it means.
It will never work.. and it is the MAIN reason why we have HUGE INFLUX of immigrants.. which our govt has used to justify their open leg policy.
I'm actually trying to work towards a point when if say my work takes off I don't have to retire on my children.
But I still can't help but feel my parents should rely on me, and I would be considered a failure in life if I can't provide for my parents should they require it.
not all rely on other's "children" indirectly, one of my customers, an 80+year old came in and check out prices and then came back with a friend to pay for him.
-
Originally posted by jojobeach:
You have been brain washed.. fool.
ignoring what the PAP are saying. it is part of our culture. our as in mine(chinese)
-
Originally posted by jojobeach:
If your reason for stimatising women is based on your stupid fear of them being a freaking burden, then you can shut up now... it's rubbish in rubbish out.
"INSTEAD. we COMPLAIN when people go for maternity leave. AIYA must fill in for their duties, NOT FAIR."
Again, you are stabbing yourself in your own feet. Obviously you are just merely a student with obsolutely ZERO working experience. And you have ZERO appreciation for what your parents had to do for you... to raised you into the idiot that you are pounding away mindlessly on the keyboard.
When I was a single working female, I was glad I didn't hav to deal with the "difficult family life most of my female married co-workers had to live with. The pressure and many "family emergencies"...goosh... I told myself maybe I'll stay single forever.
A working mother takes a LOT of leave days... not only during and after pregnancy... also along the way till their children attain adulthood.
Children get sick very easily...whenever they get sick.. parents take time off.. and when they need to go see doctor for maintenance checkup.. someone has to bring them there.... and when the school call.. we have to be there... when the school got holidays... who take care of you ?
So single women with no children are actually MORE productive than a single man with NS obligation... If you are too stupid to understand this.. you should climb back into your mother's womb forever.
"SO all I am saying is. We should tell the truth. which is woman without children are SELFISH. and should be stigmatised that way."
Now if you insist .. sure.. why don't we make sure ALL women no need to work.. if they no need to contribute to the working society..because they don't have to worry about paying their bills and their SOLE responsibility is to be a INCUBATOR.... OK.. shame them if they don't produce babies. Since having babies become the SOLE purpose for their existence.. yes ? Feasible.
Now in order for that to work... we need the government to issue all women who hit puberty (child bearing age) with a monthly stipend , sufficient to let women enjoy an acceptable standard of living... so they need not rely on individual men nor themselves to provide for them... rather from a pool paid by working men and managed by a centralised agency.......MEn go work... and pay into the resource pool to be distributed equally to the women. Do you agree with this idea ???
But YOU AS A GUY.. dare to complain when a woman doesn't want babies.. when YOU are UNABLE TO BE PREGNANT... and you are unable to SUPPORT/provide for your girlfriend or wife without her going to work and bringing home the dough...now that's a shame isn't it... shame on you dude.
All I am saying is... currently our women need to go work to help pay the bills , give birth, raise babies, take care of family, be faithful..make you feel like a real man.... do you want them to wipe your ass for you too ?
I don't see how a single woman is more productive? ns obligations make a person less productive?
that is only when the men and women are just cogs that can be replaced by another. -
Originally posted by jojobeach:
"Book of Songs" (1000-700 B.C.):
"When a son is born,
Let him sleep on the bed,
Clothe him with fine clothes,
And give him jade to play...
When a daughter is born,
Let her sleep on the ground,
Wrap her in common wrappings,
And give broken tiles to play..."Coupled with their preference for male heirs leading to gendercide, sex selective abortions... they are heading for a population implosion.
I worked with a China lady not long ago ,and I ask her how are they doing with the one child policy.
She says its hard on her son.. as he has to take care of 4 elderly parents and his own family.
However, the China government is very generous with pensions and retirement safety nets... thats why they are not too worried about the one child policy.
So her main concern is that it's already difficult for her son to find a good wife.. because the ratio of men out numbers the women....
She thinks her grandson not be able to have a wife...so their lineage will likely end in his generation.
the more well off ones seem to have taken to buying wives from other countries.
with news of kidnapping in countries that share a border.
and then there's the official with 500 women sex diary.
-
Originally posted by jojobeach:
LOL.. of cors... it's shameful these men thinks by shame-ing women... women will want to become mothers.
Seriously.. ANY woman who read these male losers posting will only make them LESS likely to want to marry these loser SG men, let alone have babies with them.
Whoever treats the female better wins her heart before getting her body.
These fools only want the body... morons. No different than those cowardly Talibans.
which is why I can never accept your views.
your answers usually lead to a situation where it's lopesided and would not work out in the long run. you do not understand repect, nor equality.
you want a pedestal for yourself and those who share the same views. and everyone else can rot.
whoever treats the female better wins her heart before getting her body? ? this is one of the most misogynistic statements you can find.
-
Originally posted by Summer hill:
watch this vidoe 1styour point being?
-
Originally posted by Summer hill:
Some of them get killed by cancer.......I'm not sure whether that's a politically acceptable answer.
-
Originally posted by Summer hill:
1st of all, it's NOT THE WOMEN'S FAULT THAT WE HAD HAVE LOW BIRTHRATE.
Yeah, girls today have higher education....as written in my textbook...
To put simple, it's every girls' dream to get married, to marry the right man. They marry for what? For security of her children, of course!
in theory yes, but in reality it doesn't work out the same way
leading to increasing divorce rates. which then leaves a lot more single mothers.
-
Originally posted by Army 21:
u all got nothing to do?
passing time? sort of I guess? else who would come in to post on such a crappy topic?
-
Originally posted by oldbreadstinks:
ignoring what the PAP are saying. it is part of our culture. our as in mine(chinese)
haha.. So our govt legislate policies based on your CHINESE culture ?
No, they are using it as an excuse to bring in the foreign flood.
But... if you so desire to be brain washed by them.. that's your choice.
-
Originally posted by jojobeach:
Why is it that our old people always seem to look like this
When old people of other country look like this ?
they belong to different segments of the society......
the old folks I see at my work place would be closer to what you have in your pictures. either still working or retire with savings.
the old lady picking cardboard makes do with like $5 or less a day for food. her income wouldn't allow her to retire playing golf.
-
Originally posted by jojobeach:
Don't blame me.. blame your govt.
They made sure the majority of us are living hand to mouth.
Their policies are designed to suck blood out of our very pores.
Can they make the commoners' life better.. of cors they can.
It's shameful as a RICH nation with so much wealth , to have the people living such deplorable existence.
As slaves to their cheaper, better and fasterer ideals. Yet they threw us bones as pittance.
Sure, we have shiny , futuristic buildings sprouting up everywhere...but whats the point when they can't properly take care of their own people ?
If they like building so much.. just buy a 40' container load of Lego lah.
I actually don't think our country is rich. something's really wrong when they kept losing horrendous amounts of money and yet claim to be making money through investments.
no other company in history has made it to the green with their results. so either they have a magic genie making all other portfolios doubling or something fishy's going on
-
Originally posted by John Wong:
Why you keep talking about me? I told you I am 30/f/singaporean with 1 kid and another on the way...
and the thread suddenly takes a downward spiral......
-
Originally posted by [imdestinyz]:
basically they resorted to moral blackmail, no i dont earn alot, i dont flaunt my money, i dont act rich and they are well aware of how much im earning. But no they dont treat my money as my money, yes they treat my money as their money, no they dont care about me(at least thats what i tink), yes they incur loans cant pay back and expect children to take personal loans from banks to cover their loans. Basically, my feel is, they have children so that 1) children supposed to take care of them when they are old so they can spend what they want then come back take our money, 2) so that they look good have face, 3) they see our money as their money.
maybe you don't really understand the part about taking care of your parents?
maybe you should run out of money and let your parents know? and see how they react. might harden your heart a bit.
in a more traditional country.... you might be condemn for speaking out. and even to dare suggest you feel unhappy about supporting your parents
that being said I don't think your parents are right, logically they aren't . but given the social circumstances they grew up in they might think they're correct. it's hard to say who's right or wrong when it comes to this kind of personal belief.
but with family members you'll need a softer and firmer approach. and someone else to blame for not having enough money to give to them.
plus I noticed girls tend to want to give more compared to guys.
often leading to friction between the husband and the in laws.
-
Originally posted by oldbreadstinks:
I'm actually trying to work towards a point when if say my work takes off I don't have to retire on my children.
But I still can't help but feel my parents should rely on me, and I would be considered a failure in life if I can't provide for my parents should they require it.
not all rely on other's "children" indirectly, one of my customers, an 80+year old came in and check out prices and then came back with a friend to pay for him.
I think you have a very skewed idea of what Fillial Piety is...your "culture" probably taught you the lopsided/distorted form... and because you don't know any better.. you accepted it and that distorted idea became part of your belief.
Fillial piety is a natural flow of love and respect between parents and children.
It doesn't have to be guilt pounded into the child, nor needed any laws to MAKE children be fillial.
PROVIDED... the parents earnd that love and respect.. because the child came from the parent.. the parent is the beginning....the starting line...
After the child become adult... the child out of love and respect... give back the love and respect his/her parent showered them during the growing up process...
What confucious had in mind back then.. wasnt a law... it was meant as a GUIDE on how to carry out fillial piety. He was a TEACHER... not a law maker.
If your parents took great care.. and love you earned your respect... NATURALLY.. you will WANT to treat them well during their vulnerable years....
In a perfect world ( assuming)... children are naturally loving... we love our parents who loved us... even if Confucious never existed... children would have done the same anyway.
So, I NEVER say you should not be filial... I am just saying if my children treats me well.. it's because they WANT to.. not because they HAVE to.
If you force a child to give... is that the child's will.. or is it your will ? It's your will.. and you simply MANIPULATED the child into giving. So we cannot say the child is loving..because it was never his idea.
I ascibe to a NATURAL version of fillial piety... You probably.. in your "CULTURE" ascribed to a FORCED version of fillial piety.... So we shall agree to disagree on this topic.
-
Originally posted by jojobeach:
To put it simply.. your parents are manipulative.
They guilt you into giving them your money or whatever they want to take from you.
Guilt is a very powerful tool... and a lot of parents use that on their kids. A more subtle form of passive aggression.
In Asian culture, it's very prevalent.
However, as long as you understand and see it as it is.. a manipulative act. You can actually stand up against it.. and be a victim no more.
As children we do owe our parents some payback..it's undeniable that they raised us with their time, effort and money... but the payback can be in a different currency.
Apparently, your parents only wants money. The question is ... WHEN does it end ???
Can they accept affections as an alternative form of return ?
If you are in financial hardship due to their demands, you should make it very clear to your parents.... you are unable to give them what they want... rather... give them what you can afford.
They cannot force you to take a loan... because you can say NO.
As adults, your parents need to take personal responsibility for their own finances. It's time your parents behave like an adult...
And you need to stop behaving like a scapegoat.
While I understand we as children, really try our best to not disappoint our parents... we need to recognise that.. not all parents do what is in the best interest for their kids.
And when a parent start to abuse or exploit you (the child).. it's time to put your feet down.. HARD.
If your parents still insist in making you financially drained with no regards for your well being... then it's time to accept they don't love you enough to care about you .
That said it's time to cut them out of your life.
too harsh maybe?