Originally posted by John Wong:jojo, of course not. but please try to open your brain a bit to see more path.
you see, to have children is mostly the woman choice.
why?
because the woman body is the one that carry the baby for 9 month and give birth.
For example, if a guy say, woman, let me put baby in your stomach, when woman say no, bopian. cos woman will think, who is this guy, will he take care of me, got money to take care of me and baby, got money send baby to yale or harvard, got money pay for international school, can he afford condo or landed property, etc etc...
on the other hand. if woman say boy... come put sperm in me... most guys will say... OK!
or should I say, if woman want baby, they can also just go sperm bank and ejaculate into themself.
hey...save the planet!!go watch porn and wank until u become unconscious!!!
the planet has more green house gases today and the planet is dying!
this is caused by too many human beings on the planet giving out carbon dioxide and not from cows or factories producing green house gases.
u dont need humans for spore,just make cylons and C3POs.they don t give out much carbon dioxide
Originally posted by oldbreadstinks:
doubt it, our women just go for money, nothing to do with the rest. Character probably ranks the lowest in terms of piority.
the way it happens, it's usually either money or the guy does something out of character to make her happy. then you end up with another baby and a single mother.
Really? So you believe materialism is the key to a woman's heart.
if that is so... then you should be asking yourself...
Why is the govt making it so hard for you to attain the 5 Cs.
They want to increase marriage and birth rates..
Shouldn't they just give away houses, cars and credit cards and give diamonds to any newly weds ?
If every SG male has all the materialistic assets that all woman desire... wouldn't that guarantee 100% marital rate and 100% birthrate increase ?
Why are they... making new laws and policies to make it harder and harder each year ?
Originally posted by jojobeach:Really? So you believe materialism is the key to a woman's heart.
if that is so... then you should be asking yourself...
Why is the govt making it so hard for you to attain the 5 Cs.
They want to increase marriage and birth rates..
Shouldn't they just give away houses, cars and credit cards and give diamonds to any newly weds ?
If every SG male has all the materialistic assets that all woman desire... wouldn't that guarantee 100% marital rate and 100% birthrate increase ?
Why are they... making new laws and policies to make it harder and harder each year ?
The term " PRO-CHOICE" should not be abused.
How can our society claims to be Pro-Choice... YET, not be accepting of the choices any pregnant woman makes?
If you are truly pro-choice.. then you should accept and respect , not just her decision to abort... You must also respect and accept her decision to NOT abort.
In all honesty, our society is Pro-DEATH or Pro-Murder or Pro-Abortion. Not Pro-choice at all.
Men are quick to pro -inject sperm.. but also quick to advocate TERMINATION of life.
OUr society.. shamelessly pressured young women to kill a life.. why... simply because the baby is an inconvenience... that's just not right.
Originally posted by Uraniumfish:
I'm all for man marriage hand the credit cards, but what if the other even though doesn't enough?
Huh ? I don't understand your sentence .
ah, this thread reminds me of the book "unwind"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9snP4HuRsr4
Watch the vidoe 1st
Originally posted by jojobeach:OK. I can open my "brain".. can you open yours ?
Good to know you actually agree , that a woman can have a baby without being married to a man.
So this stigmatising women to have babies.. is not exactly about marriage.
It's about having babies , yes ?
Now , then we should do away with single mother stigmas.
As long as a woman is willing to have a baby... it doesn't matter if she is married or not.
A child from a single mother is just as important as a child from a married mother.
If you want to argue that child from married family is better off... that is rubbish.
As long as a man is not willing to help care for the child... with marriage or without marriage.. they are the same. Because mothers will be mothers with or without the father.
Ofcors.. if a single father is willing to care for his child.. he is no different from a married father.. same logic.
Marriage is just a status... it's acutally quite meaningless in the debate of increasing birth rates.
What is important is to make sure their bloodlines are properly recorded so siblings do not end up having children together.
Conclusion: Women should be encouraged to have babies.. single mother or married mother... And as long as our society is willing to provide adequate support and acceptance... it can be done.
i think you very confusing.
I am talking about low birthrate. what you talking about?
you are saying single parent child is same as double parent child? whatever... doesnt matter.
you saying a lot of woman want to be single mother??? huh??????
Originally posted by John Wong:i think you very confusing.
I am talking about low birthrate. what you talking about?
you are saying single parent child is same as double parent child? whatever... doesnt matter.
you saying a lot of woman want to be single mother??? huh??????
What I am saying is relevant what.. Can't u just connect the dots ?
Women are built to have babies. We want to nurture something. It's in our DNA to want to grow something in our womb . I mean babies, not just fibroids and polyps.
Yes, a lot of single women want to have a baby. But, they couldn't find a suitable man good enough to get married to.
If they don't want babies, then why get married ? For a HDB ? Get real lah.
Given our society's anti single mother stance, no woman wants to be disafvantaged, so they choose to not have a baby and remain single, instead of a baby, they get a pet. Let their womb self-destruct over time.
Now, if u remove the social stigma and provide single women with equal rights as a married woman, then a lot of women will be having babies on their own. Birth rate confirm go up.
The other alternative is, as I mentioned before... Guys need to become more attractive , desirable.. , and family friendly. Right now, our boys are NOT family friendly at all.
Originally posted by Summer hill:ah, this thread reminds me of the book "unwind"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9snP4HuRsr4
Watch the vidoe 1st
Yah, good books. Unwind, unwholly, unstrung , unsouled. Very good reads.
Originally posted by John Wong:i think you very confusing.
I am talking about low birthrate. what you talking about?
you are saying single parent child is same as double parent child? whatever... doesnt matter.
you saying a lot of woman want to be single mother??? huh??????
i think lets talk about how you can show me some peektures of your ma, auties, galfrens, sisters and mayb future dotters wrapped a little only and how they can also be canned if they don;t marry?
Originally posted by jojobeach:What I am saying is relevant what.. Can't u just connect the dots ?
Women are built to have babies. We want to nurture something. It's in our DNA to want to grow something in our womb . I mean babies, not just fibroids and polyps.
Yes, a lot of single women want to have a baby. But, they couldn't find a suitable man good enough to get married to.
If they don't want babies, then why get married ? For a HDB ? Get real lah.
Given our society's anti single mother stance, no woman wants to be disafvantaged, so they choose to not have a baby and remain single, instead of a baby, they get a pet. Let their womb self-destruct over time.
Now, if u remove the social stigma and provide single women with equal rights as a married woman, then a lot of women will be having babies on their own. Birth rate confirm go up.
The other alternative is, as I mentioned before... Guys need to become more attractive , desirable.. , and family friendly. Right now, our boys are NOT family friendly at all.
i think that your thinking that a lot of woman want to become single mother is only true in your reality distortion field. hahaha
Originally posted by troublemaker2005:
i think lets talk about how you can show me some peektures of your ma, auties, galfrens, sisters and mayb future dotters wrapped a little only and how they can also be canned if they don;t marry?
huh? i guess that must have made sense in your head :}}}
comon see see lah hehehehe
you started this idea so i follow up mah - how? tased your own recipe?
Originally posted by troublemaker2005:comon see see lah hehehehe
you started this idea so i follow up mah - how? tased your own recipe?
wad talking u?!
Originally posted by jojobeach:You are assuming that ALL marriage is the result of a "good" choice. In reality, that is not the case. There's good marriage, then theres the mediocre and bad ones.
To qualify for the "reward" ?
By depriving the rights given to another person, you are essentially punishing.
A mother is a mother.. no matter what her marital status is.
A single mother is no less important than a married mother, so why do we need them to "qualify" for that reward ? They should automatically qualify the moment she is pregnant.
Punish for her life choices... ? Then should we also punish those women who married lousy men ? I think its about time.. we stop "punishing". Because punishing is just a tool of manipulation to favor one side.
ALL mothers should be treated the same. Married or not.
don't be a dick and always start with nonsensical statements you know the other side don't subcribe to.
obviously not all marriages are the results of a "good " choice. sometimes good mariages arise from bad choices, others end up badly even though both sides made a "good" choice.
what we have here is a political system that decides good/acceptable versus bad/unacceptable and then systematically rewards those who participates.
not personal moral values.
just like I personally don't give a shit whether gays are married or not, just don't force it down my throat and proclaim in the name of freedom I must support you.
but obviously the govt does. hence 377A
but yes as a single mother you get "punished" for your choice. . like you get "punished" for all other wrong choices in your life.
women who married lousy men are already punished for their choices. as for all mothers should be treated the same. nope sorry
I'll still disagree. like as mentioned. I believe they should have housing covered and the chance to provide necessities. beyond that you are punishing the rest who made the "correct" choice in the govt's eyes
Originally posted by jojobeach:Oh please... the scientists are laughing at you.
Animals didn't invent rape...
Animal males are required to show their power in order to earn rights to mate with a female.
When was the last time you watched Animal planet ? Maybe never ? Gosh...
Peacocks show off their feathers, many species of animals duel to be alpha males.., penguins/birds build nests to impress their females....
Men/boys... i donno... they sit around moping and whining females are too hard to please.
If you are talking about those maids with indonesian husbands... that's the result of social stigmas on women. Those women are forced to marry good for nothing males because they do have social persecutions.
And you guys want the same in Singapore ?
maybe you need to watch or read something else other than animal planet?
as for the wants and needs of the guys here, current situation; most likely most guys would reject that idea since we are ingrain with the idea the man has to take care of the family.
but who knows, maybe you can try harder to change the way we think?
and one thing I noticed, women generally are easy to please, only not sincerely. when you're sincere it's cheap. lies and flashy stuff work better.
not all, incase you start going crazy again. but enough girls are doing that.
Originally posted by jojobeach:Really? So you believe materialism is the key to a woman's heart.
if that is so... then you should be asking yourself...
Why is the govt making it so hard for you to attain the 5 Cs.
They want to increase marriage and birth rates..
Shouldn't they just give away houses, cars and credit cards and give diamonds to any newly weds ?
If every SG male has all the materialistic assets that all woman desire... wouldn't that guarantee 100% marital rate and 100% birthrate increase ?
Why are they... making new laws and policies to make it harder and harder each year ?
maybe you don't under the co relationship between money, power, materialism plus supply and demand?
Originally posted by jojobeach:What I am saying is relevant what.. Can't u just connect the dots ?
Women are built to have babies. We want to nurture something. It's in our DNA to want to grow something in our womb . I mean babies, not just fibroids and polyps.
Yes, a lot of single women want to have a baby. But, they couldn't find a suitable man good enough to get married to.
If they don't want babies, then why get married ? For a HDB ? Get real lah.
Given our society's anti single mother stance, no woman wants to be disafvantaged, so they choose to not have a baby and remain single, instead of a baby, they get a pet. Let their womb self-destruct over time.
Now, if u remove the social stigma and provide single women with equal rights as a married woman, then a lot of women will be having babies on their own. Birth rate confirm go up.
The other alternative is, as I mentioned before... Guys need to become more attractive , desirable.. , and family friendly. Right now, our boys are NOT family friendly at all.
they get married i think for a place of their own,some sex,some emotional partner fweeelings.
Our boys have been manhandled in national service where they had shouted at daily,humiliated daily and physically tortured until it feels like giving birth daily.
Originally posted by jojobeach:The term " PRO-CHOICE" should not be abused.
How can our society claims to be Pro-Choice... YET, not be accepting of the choices any pregnant woman makes?
If you are truly pro-choice.. then you should accept and respect , not just her decision to abort... You must also respect and accept her decision to NOT abort.
In all honesty, our society is Pro-DEATH or Pro-Murder or Pro-Abortion. Not Pro-choice at all.
Men are quick to pro -inject sperm.. but also quick to advocate TERMINATION of life.
OUr society.. shamelessly pressured young women to kill a life.. why... simply because the baby is an inconvenience... that's just not right.
don't do that, please. there's a difference between pro-choice. and people who want a get out of jail free card.
being pro-choice means you're allowed to make your own choices. it doesn't mean the rest of us have to be supportive. at the end of the day it's to do with personal choice. the law allows it. unlike euthanasia.
there will always be people who support single mothers, likewise people who don't.. others like me who are neutral.
there are contraceptives. this is not the 16th century where people are using fish skin. either you make the guy wear something, pop a pill or go for a vasectomy
don't screw up and blame the rest of us when society as a whole will always go for a conservative choice.
there's isn't that many situations where a lady or a very young girl ends up single and with a child. and how many do you think ends up with public sympathy?
and may I remind you, arguing a liberal cause with the general public usually makes it worse.
Originally posted by jojobeach:What I am saying is relevant what.. Can't u just connect the dots ?
Women are built to have babies. We want to nurture something. It's in our DNA to want to grow something in our womb . I mean babies, not just fibroids and polyps.
Yes, a lot of single women want to have a baby. But, they couldn't find a suitable man good enough to get married to.
If they don't want babies, then why get married ? For a HDB ? Get real lah.
Given our society's anti single mother stance, no woman wants to be disafvantaged, so they choose to not have a baby and remain single, instead of a baby, they get a pet. Let their womb self-destruct over time.
Now, if u remove the social stigma and provide single women with equal rights as a married woman, then a lot of women will be having babies on their own. Birth rate confirm go up.
The other alternative is, as I mentioned before... Guys need to become more attractive , desirable.. , and family friendly. Right now, our boys are NOT family friendly at all.
the idea itself will be shot down ... even the opposition would not dare to raise it up. current system , either you do really well and buy private property or wait for 35yrs old to start queuing or share a flat with your parents.
as for equal rights when you're advocating an unequal situation, highly unlikely.
it would be easier to pass off as equal rights for all singaporean children, rather then advocate equal rights for mothers..
our culture lol...... if guys are more attractive, desirable..... usually do not end up being family friendly. unless by that you mean having more than one family?
Originally posted by John Wong:i think that your thinking that a lot of woman want to become single mother is only true in your reality distortion field. hahaha
maybe it's really true?
I knew a lady, she's in a fifties now. loves children, really really loves children. goes crazy when she sees them but never married. declared she'll remain single. loves her dog.
I suppose from my view she's the type you wanna marry if you intend to marry a human being. not a trophy.
or a vase.
she's not a workaholic, not married to her job. probably really beautiful in her younger days. keeps in shape even now.
did something happened? no one knows. she did mentioned before she aggrees with me it's best to remain single.
Originally posted by oldbreadstinks:maybe it's really true?
I knew a lady, she's in a fifties now. loves children, really really loves children. goes crazy when she sees them but never married. declared she'll remain single. loves her dog.
I suppose from my view she's the type you wanna marry if you intend to marry a human being. not a trophy.
or a vase.
she's not a workaholic, not married to her job. probably really beautiful in her younger days. keeps in shape even now.
did something happened? no one knows. she did mentioned before she aggrees with me it's best to remain single.
i don't deny that there ARE woman who want to be single mother...
but that is very different from jojo reality distortion field where she think there are hundred of thousands of woman who want to become single mother once society decides not to 'punish' single mothers...
Originally posted by Army 21:they get married i think for a place of their own,some sex,some emotional partner fweeelings.
Our boys have been manhandled in national service where they had shouted at daily,humiliated daily and physically tortured until it feels like giving birth daily.
It's kinda obvious you havn't had a serious relationship yet.
Do you think an unmarried couple cannot enjoy sex and emotional satisfaction ?
Sex, companionship, emotional satisfaction does not increase or decrease after marriage.
The question here is... why is marriage so special. What does it provide, that a unmarried relationship cannot provide ? The answer is only.. Legal status.
The promise of exclusivity. Which can be easily broken in our current society, doesnt work anymore.. and we ALL know that.
As for NS.. I had in my many previous posts.. mentioned that NS is an obsolete requirement. I think it's now just a reform exercise to train our boys to become more obedient for easier control.
I always questioned.. why do we need so many years of NS ? Other countries only need 1 year. Is it because our boys are dumb and need more time compared to other countries ?
Originally posted by John Wong:i don't deny that there ARE woman who want to be single mother...
but that is very different from jojo reality distortion field where she think there are hundred of thousands of woman who want to become single mother once society decides not to 'punish' single mothers...
Well, the number of women who wish to become single mothers is relative to the number of lousy men .
More lousy men = more women wants to be single mothers.
So if you decrease lousy men, = more married women...simple equation lah.
And you think by punishing single mothers... all women will flock to the marriage registry with whoever they can grab off the street ? LOL !!! Thats just wishful thinking.
On the contrary.. many will choose to remain single and no babies.