Originally posted by John Wong:hi jojobeach. thank you for your discussion.
As a society, we already do stigmatise men who refuse to take care of their baby and ask gf to abort. we call them bastards, etc etc. they are seen as selfish and evil.
so this is exactly what I am saying. we should stigmatise women who don't have children in the same way.
Well, calling them names doesn't do much. Labeling is useless. Yet, Every year we lost hundreds or thousands to abortion. They could just marry the girls they impregnate. Problem solved ?
Anyway.. U haven't answer my question, why don't men make themselves more attractive to women, so more women WANT to marry men ?
Is it so difficult for men to step up and show they are worth their keeps?
Sure, guys go ahead and stigmatize women, call them names, spit in their face. That's men's prerogative to force women to marry them? How backwards can u be?
And u forgetting half the world is women, do u expect women to stigmatize ourselves? U must be nuts. Why don't u cut your own nose Mr. Wong.
If you are really for having more babies for our society, why not fight for better rights and inclusion for single mothers ? These women were used by men, abandoned and left to fend for themselves , they choose to be pro life, yet they were punished by our society. May I know what will be your solution on this issue?
Then what about women who Can't have babies? Do u want to stigmatize them too?
Originally posted by zulkifli mahmood:
Really. Hmm...then they know its a joke you are trying to pull. Hmmm...lets say you forward this to the Singapore Conversation forum or Yahoo Singapore or the Straits Times Forum you think you would get the support for your idea? I think if your idea is forwarded to Sg Coversation or Yahoo Singapore you will get alot of exposure, like good and bad remarks..like the LETTER TO SINGAPORE by Zing...then SG FORUM will be very famous. Admit it you are joking right to have some fun or else why not try your suggestion to the general public in the mass media in Singapore....you want to know right whether this suggestion of yours is worthy to improve the birth rate in Singapore. You have some flaw in this suggestion though...you forgotten about the men who are singles or not fertile or impotent.
ah zulkifli, thank you for the discussion.
i admit my idea as in the first post is not 100% serious. and yet i am trying to think from another angle and see if people can see it or not.
gahmen response to birthrate is always $ incentive. they trying to use fiscal measure like fixing economy like that. i think the fix needs to be social.
the whole reason for lower birthrate is social dysfunction caused by chase for $. so to try and fix this by using people motivation to chase for $ is self-defeating and a bit disingenious. in fact i would say almost inevitable it will not work.
Originally posted by jojobeach:Well, calling them names doesn't do much. Labeling is useless. Yet, Every year we lost hundreds or thousands to abortion. They could just marry the girls they impregnate. Problem solved ?
Anyway.. U haven't answer my question, why don't men make themselves more attractive to women, so more women WANT to marry men ?
Is it so difficult for men to step up and show they are worth their keeps?
Sure, guys go ahead and stigmatize women, call them names, spit in their face. That's men's prerogative to force women to marry them? How backwards can u be?
And u forgetting half the world is women, do u expect women to stigmatize ourselves? U must be nuts. Why don't u cut your own nose Mr. Wong.
If you are really for having more babies for our society, why not fight for better rights and inclusion for single mothers ? These women were used by men, abandoned and left to fend for themselves , they choose to be pro life, yet they were punished by our society. May I know what will be your solution on this issue?
Then what about women who Can't have babies? Do u want to stigmatize them too?
jojobeach exactly what i am saying calling them names actually makes a lot of difference. can you imagine if it is ACCEPTED by society or even ENCOURAGED that men go f*ck every woman and make them pregnant then bochup them?!?!?
But yet this is what it is in SG society now where woman are ACCEPTED and ENCOURAGED to not marry, not have baby, chase career, chase $.
Originally posted by jojobeach:Well, calling them names doesn't do much. Labeling is useless. Yet, Every year we lost hundreds or thousands to abortion. They could just marry the girls they impregnate. Problem solved ?
Anyway.. U haven't answer my question, why don't men make themselves more attractive to women, so more women WANT to marry men ?
Is it so difficult for men to step up and show they are worth their keeps?
Sure, guys go ahead and stigmatize women, call them names, spit in their face. That's men's prerogative to force women to marry them? How backwards can u be?
And u forgetting half the world is women, do u expect women to stigmatize ourselves? U must be nuts. Why don't u cut your own nose Mr. Wong.
If you are really for having more babies for our society, why not fight for better rights and inclusion for single mothers ? These women were used by men, abandoned and left to fend for themselves , they choose to be pro life, yet they were punished by our society. May I know what will be your solution on this issue?
Then what about women who Can't have babies? Do u want to stigmatize them too?
also please dont turn this into men vs women issue. it is not.
men will call wife-beater bastard.
woman will call slut woman slut.
etc etc.
Originally posted by zulkifli mahmood:ah….glad to know you aren’t serious about this….
very serious bro
Originally posted by John Wong:also please dont turn this into men vs women issue. it is not.
men will call wife-beater bastard.
woman will call slut woman slut.
etc etc.
You idea is very simple.
Men stand with their arms wide open.
Threaten women with social stigmas, they will, for fear of persecution, run towards men and jump right into men's arms.
Men becomes heroes, saving women from social persecution, brings them home, make babies.
Nice little wet dream.
Try harder next time.
Ur idea is no different from a wife beater.
Originally posted by jojobeach:You idea is very simple.
Men stand with their arms wide open.
Threaten women with social stigmas, they will, for fear of persecution, run towards men and jump right into men's arms.
Men becomes heroes, saving women from social persecution, brings them home, make babies.
Nice little wet dream.
Try harder next time.
Ur idea is no different from a wife beater.
wowzzz, think your mind very one-track leh. you really think this is a way for me to get laid?!
Originally posted by John Wong:wowzzz, think your mind very one-track leh. you really think this is a way for me to get laid?!
do u really want us to believe you have the Interest of Singaporeans at heart when u propose such ludicrous idea ?
By punishing the females, we as a nation will be better off ? Really .
When men from other more civilized country read this, they will think Singaporean men are a bunch of whiny losers.
And the only way local guys can have a woman is to threaten them with social stigmas.
Good grief, no wonder local girls are not taking the bait. They rather stay single than marry losers like u.
Originally posted by jojobeach:do u really want us to believe you have the Interest of Singaporeans at heart when u propose such ludicrous idea ?
By punishing the females, we as a nation will be better off ? Really .
When men from other more civilized country read this, they will think Singaporean men are a bunch of whiny losers.
And the only way local guys can have a woman is to threaten them with social stigmas.
Good grief, no wonder local girls are not taking the bait. They rather stay single than marry losers like u.
What if I told you I am a Singaporean woman?
Originally posted by John Wong:What if I told you I am a Singaporean woman?
John Wong, u are doing a great job making clowns out of SG men.
Local men should yank u out and give u a good beating.
Are u proud being a fool ?
I pity your mother.
Ts, don't try to even trample on women's rights.
UN is watching you....
Originally posted by jojobeach:John Wong, u are doing a great job making clowns out of SG men.
Local men should yank u out and give u a good beating.
Are u proud being a fool ?
I pity your mother.
aiyo... looks like we are back to the personal attacks.
Originally posted by John Wong:aiyo... looks like we are back to the personal attacks.
Dude, it Is not OK to degrade and dehumanise females. Didn't your mom teach you that ?
Your mother is also a woman. Your sister is also female, your niece, your daughters , all female.
It is absurd of u to exclude your mother or female family members while attempting derogatory attacks on other females.
It is quite obvious u are a troll. Your mother must be so proud.
Its about time your mother teach you some much need social manners and get that head of yours screw on right.
Originally posted by jojobeach:Dude, it Is not OK to degrade and dehumanise females. Didn't your mom teach you that ?
Your mother is also a woman. Your sister is also female, your niece, your daughters , all female.
It is absurd of u to exclude your mother or female family members while attempting derogatory attacks on other females.
It is quite obvious u are a troll. Your mother must be so proud.
Its about time your mother teach you some much need social manners and get that head of yours screw on right.
Please name one instance I am derogatory to women in this topic
Originally posted by John Wong:Please name one instance I am derogatory to women in this topic
Dude, You are an idiot.
Originally posted by John Wong:very serious bro
you dont need all those.u need a production line consisting of half a million girls being impregnated by nobel prize laureates.that way folks in spore wont need to be concerned with future brain dead citizens with pol pot idealogy.
think u really need to watch porn instead of writing stuff like these in here.
Make abortion and condoms illegal. lol
Let the rape begin!
Originally posted by jojobeach:Dude, You are an idiot.
That the best you can do?
Your pattern 1) personal attacks -> cannot work 2) anyhow accuse of woman hating -> cannot work 3) ask you for one example to backup your accussations -> nothing
Singapore birthrate very low. you think this is not serious? you think it is a joke?
if you think my idea is lousy, please explain why. give reason. back up. not follow your above pattern.
thank you.
Originally posted by Army 21:think u really need to watch porn instead of writing stuff like these in here.
what makes you think i don't watch too much porn already
aiyah, go pee and sleep lah. your ma waiting for me to tortue
Originally posted by John Wong:That the best you can do?
Your pattern 1) personal attacks -> cannot work 2) anyhow accuse of woman hating -> cannot work 3) ask you for one example to backup your accussations -> nothing
Singapore birthrate very low. you think this is not serious? you think it is a joke?
if you think my idea is lousy, please explain why. give reason. back up. not follow your above pattern.
thank you.
Pls name one instance you are not being a troll.
Originally posted by John Wong:very serious bro
Originally posted by John Wong:What if I told you I am a Singaporean woman?