ULTIMATE Idea to Increase Singapore Birth Rate CONFIRM WORK
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Originally posted by oldbreadstinks:
the more well off ones seem to have taken to buying wives from other countries.
with news of kidnapping in countries that share a border.
the China Govt basically traded one social problem for another set of social problem...
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Originally posted by oldbreadstinks:
too harsh maybe?
Nope.. not harsh.. That's what you need to do when any person around you turns "TOXIC".
You need to stop enabling bad behaviors..or it will never end.
It's a cure for the symptom.. not an amputation.
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Originally posted by jojobeach:
haha.. So our govt legislate policies based on your CHINESE culture ?
No, they are using it as an excuse to bring in the foreign flood.
But... if you so desire to be brain washed by them.. that's your choice.
you see? anyone who thinks differently and aligns with the govt's reasoning to you is brainwashed.
likewise shouldn't I say you were brainwashed as well for mouthing what anti-govt groups slogans?
it is part of our culture, in fact, it's part of indian and malay culture to take care of their parents.
while it has become the reason/excuse for manpower policies it doesn't change the fact it is part of our culture.
you're just using a dumb reason like a spoiled petty brat.
"oh someone i don't like is eating in that restaurant so from now onwards my whole family and all my friends must support me and not patronise that restaurant."
seriously, how about something convincing?
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Originally posted by [imdestinyz]:
i wonder what kind of hb/father u will become/you are..mother, apparently he's a mother now.
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Originally posted by jojobeach:
I think you have a very skewed idea of what Fillial Piety is...your "culture" probably taught you the lopsided/distorted form... and because you don't know any better.. you accepted it and that distorted idea became part of your belief.
Fillial piety is a natural flow of love and respect between parents and children.
It doesn't have to be guilt pounded into the child, nor needed any laws to MAKE children be fillial.
PROVIDED... the parents earnd that love and respect.. because the child came from the parent.. the parent is the beginning....the starting line...
After the child become adult... the child out of love and respect... give back the love and respect his/her parent showered them during the growing up process...
What confucious had in mind back then.. wasnt a law... it was meant as a GUIDE on how to carry out fillial piety. He was a TEACHER... not a law maker.
If your parents took great care.. and love you earned your respect... NATURALLY.. you will WANT to treat them well during their vulnerable years....
In a perfect world ( assuming)... children are naturally loving... we love our parents who loved us... even if Confucious never existed... children would have done the same anyway.
So, I NEVER say you should not be filial... I am just saying if my children treats me well.. it's because they WANT to.. not because they HAVE to.
If you force a child to give... is that the child's will.. or is it your will ? It's your will.. and you simply MANIPULATED the child into giving. So we cannot say the child is loving..because it was never his idea.
I ascibe to a NATURAL version of fillial piety... You probably.. in your "CULTURE" ascribed to a FORCED version of fillial piety.... So we shall agree to disagree on this topic.
we can't even agree to disagree here because we're not even talking about the same thing.
I was just describing what I would do or are doing already.....in response not what I think of your post.
. and you're telling me what you think the law should or should not do.
besides, culture depending on how you see it can be forced or natural, forced because the people living in that culture are shaped by it, natural because you naturally assume a person of that culture to behave that way.
and again, your intorlerance shines out.
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Originally posted by jojobeach:
the China Govt basically traded one social problem for another set of social problem...
it's not really a problem for them.
the ones at the bottom aren't "people"
everyone who worked/works there told me the same thing. lives are cheap there.
way too cheap.
if you're poor your genes can die off, it's not an issue at all.
if a war happens with japan? they don't mind losing and having a couple of million dead volunteers floating in the sea..
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Originally posted by jojobeach:
Nope.. not harsh.. That's what you need to do when any person around you turns "TOXIC".
You need to stop enabling bad behaviors..or it will never end.
It's a cure for the symptom.. not an amputation.
no it's not, the parents if reasonable have to be reasoned with, if not then lied to.
cutting off hurts both sides. and this isn't big enough to warrant a cut off. and the parents would if not the rational type, go around to smear their own child with the term "unfillial child"
makes things worse for everyone. moving away doesn't help here unless you mean to a different country.
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Originally posted by oldbreadstinks:
we can't even agree to disagree here because we're not even talking about the same thing.
I was just describing what I would do or are doing already.....in response not what I think of your post.
. and you're telling me what you think the law should or should not do.
besides, culture depending on how you see it can be forced or natural, forced because the people living in that culture are shaped by it, natural because you naturally assume a person of that culture to behave that way.
and again, your intorlerance shines out.
You can't make me live your life.. neither can I make you do the same.
You are entitled to your personal opinion..but the world doesn't live by YOUR rules.
I am not arguing to "transform" you... I am just stating what path I take.
Anyone who reads these ... decides for themselves .. if they want to agree with you... or they want to agree with me... or they think we are both crazy.. that's their choice.
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Originally posted by oldbreadstinks:
no it's not, the parents if reasonable have to be reasoned with, if not then lied to.
cutting off hurts both sides. and this isn't big enough to warrant a cut off. and the parents would if not the rational type, go around to smear their own child with the term "unfillial child"
makes things worse for everyone. moving away doesn't help here unless you mean to a different country.
Do you know there is such a thing as an unfillial PARENT ? Does unfillial Parent deserves fillial piety from their children ? ABSOLUTELY NOT..if the child wants to be fillial anyway.. it's a gift.. to the unfillial parent.
Fillial piety is a GIFT to the parent .....NOT an entitlement.
If imdestiny had already tried to explain her situation to her parents.. and her parents blatantly disregarded her pleas.... are you suggesting she simply accept her fate and be financially SLAUTHERED by her parents... simply because she needs to be a fillial child ? If you agree to let her be slaughtered.. you need to get your brain examined.
And no.. she does not need to move to another country... geesh you are so drama.
She just need to keep herself out of reach of her parent's unyeilding claws..
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Originally posted by oldbreadstinks:
you see? anyone who thinks differently and aligns with the govt's reasoning to you is brainwashed.
likewise shouldn't I say you were brainwashed as well for mouthing what anti-govt groups slogans?
it is part of our culture, in fact, it's part of indian and malay culture to take care of their parents.
while it has become the reason/excuse for manpower policies it doesn't change the fact it is part of our culture.
you're just using a dumb reason like a spoiled petty brat.
"oh someone i don't like is eating in that restaurant so from now onwards my whole family and all my friends must support me and not patronise that restaurant."
seriously, how about something convincing?
Seriously.. I simply cannot convince a man who is UNWILLING to be convinced.
You can call me a spoiled brat.. whatever...
Where in any posting did I mention about not being fillial ?
Just because I don't ascribe to your forced version of fillial piety .. means I am not fillial ? What kind of stupid logic is that ?
I am fillial to my parents .. because I wanted to.. they never had toindoctrinate any ideas in my head since young...all they had been showing me was.. how to be a great parent.
Please.. you need to stop imagining things...
Frankly.. i am starting to wonder what kind of FATHER you had been to your kids...
Why do you need to force your children to be fillial ? Are you a LOUSY father ?
Did you not earn their love and respect ? Are they not willing to love you back ? WHY ?
Someone once told me.... " If you want to get something out of a cup.. you need to fill it with something first"
Some parents are raising their child like pigs..give them food, a shelter... then insist it's ok to slaughter (financially, emotionally, physically ) their children like pigs when they are mature.
SO... if you still want to insist upon your children that... they MUST be fillial towards you .. eventho you were a shitty parent to them..... well... good luck with that !!
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Originally posted by jojobeach:
Do you know there is such a thing as an unfillial PARENT ? Does unfillial Parent deserves fillial piety from their children ? ABSOLUTELY NOT..if the child wants to be fillial anyway.. it's a gift.. to the unfillial parent.
Fillial piety is a GIFT to the parent .....NOT an entitlement.
If imdestiny had already tried to explain her situation to her parents.. and her parents blatantly disregarded her pleas.... are you suggesting she simply accept her fate and be financially SLAUTHERED by her parents... simply because she needs to be a fillial child ? If you agree to let her be slaughtered.. you need to get your brain examined.
And no.. she does not need to move to another country... geesh you are so drama.
She just need to keep herself out of reach of her parent's unyeilding claws..
her character is what led to the current situation. cutting parents out of her life would be too extreme in her case. likely hurting her more.
most situations like these tend to arise because the "victim" is unwilling to take proactive steps to resolve the problem. somethings are "inborn" or what I felt was drummed into the person as a child.
and I think you're referring to unloving or uncaring parents..... unfilial implies they in turn didn't treat their parents well.
one thing about these situations I've seen /experienced. particularly from ladies is they tend to "enjoy" playing the role of victims. given two choices they would choose the more f*** up one to show they care about their own family. some of which made no sense at all.
particular incidents stood out in my memory, a young lady (young at that point) broke up with the boyfriend, because he had to do ot as an outdoor salesman. reason being they don't see each other that much and she's doing for his good so he could concentrate on his career. the guy protested of course, he claims it's not like they don't love each other or he's unfaithful and he's actually working towards their future
then I recalled......."I thought you live with each other? don't you see each other everynight?"
"it's not the same as going out. it's for everyone's good"
and it totally blew my mind to combine the facts with the actual situation of her crying her heart out so pitifully(I was really young then, didn't realise for the next decade.... they generally tend to behave this way)
another one when I got used to this behavior.... there was a lady who kept pumping money towards her parents' upkeep and housing(flat wasn't paid for) her (older)brother doesn't work,hardly works. and her husband's pissed with this but she insisted on paying in the name of fillial piety. yet complained if her parents were to pass away the flat despite her being the one paying would be given to her brother. her parents prefer boys that sort of thing. best outcome is the parents share 50% between the kids.
I told her, make a choice and be happy with it, your parents happy with your brother and you suffering with it. OR suffering together but your wallet suffers less. you don't have to be happy with your choice , just accept it as the one you made.
her parents aren't "evil" or your types of "unfillial parents"
they'll get around to accepting their daughter has a family of her own now. but it's the daughter who can't let go.
but really rather then cutting off the parents she should access whether she belongs to that type, and then whether her parents truly require that much from her.
if her parents felt that they have to scale down they would, in her own words, it's the moral blackmail she can't take.
I observe the belief that like it or not my parents brought me into this world. and by that, I owe a debt of fillial piety. (a view I think you disagree with) my parents weren't shitty towards me so I guess it helps. I noticed that came up often in your arguements against east asian fillial piety. anyway, another thing that I noticed , the older generation..... were extremely fillial especially the ones who were horrible to their children. . daughters seem to care and forgave more compared to sons.
yet when newer values come from the west in the name of empowerment of the individual. I also understand if I were to have children they would likely subscribe to this view. love or not if they don't succeed in life the parents would become a burden they can dispose off easily. quite a few I talked to told me why they still work in low end jobs is because they know times are hard and they don't want to increase the burden on their kids.
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Originally posted by jojobeach:
Seriously.. I simply cannot convince a man who is UNWILLING to be convinced.
You can call me a spoiled brat.. whatever...
Where in any posting did I mention about not being fillial ?
Just because I don't ascribe to your forced version of fillial piety .. means I am not fillial ? What kind of stupid logic is that ?
I am fillial to my parents .. because I wanted to.. they never had toindoctrinate any ideas in my head since young...all they had been showing me was.. how to be a great parent.
Please.. you need to stop imagining things...
culturally and socially there are certain norms to observe. and unless you really have really really horrible parents who tried to murder you. it is expected that you take care of your parents even if they were shitty. because they did bring you up. yes it's actually expected. labeled under fillial "piety"
don't believe me? try to mouth your views in the "states times" with your pictures and see how that affects your life and how people view you. no matter how fillial you are , views like that instantly paint you as an evil selfish unfillial bitch. and no number of picture of you feeding your parents would help.
yes, if it haven't occured to you by now, some things come with living in a society. and the issue is with your crackpot advice. not your fillialness towards your parents.
your advice to every situation is to "confront and fight it out" "not happy f*** off lah" do you actually do that in real life as well?
I've been there and I can tell you, with most things it's best to find a common ground to talk things out. confrontation and cutting off hurts everyone and makes enemies.
but personally I'm not quite sure if I was ever indoctrinate, I seem to disagree with my parents over everything except for religion. then again my parents were free thinkers.
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Originally posted by jojobeach:
Frankly.. i am starting to wonder what kind of FATHER you had been to your kids...
Why do you need to force your children to be fillial ? Are you a LOUSY father ?
Did you not earn their love and respect ? Are they not willing to love you back ? WHY ?
Someone once told me.... " If you want to get something out of a cup.. you need to fill it with something first"
Some parents are raising their child like pigs..give them food, a shelter... then insist it's ok to slaughter (financially, emotionally, physically ) their children like pigs when they are mature.
SO... if you still want to insist upon your children that... they MUST be fillial towards you .. eventho you were a shitty parent to them..... well... good luck with that !!
had? I thought I mentioned I'm not too fond of kids? especially the troublesome ones.
check back in 10 years time to see if my thinking's changed
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Originally posted by oldbreadstinks:
had? I thought I mentioned I'm not too fond of kids? especially the troublesome ones.
check back in 10 years time to see if my thinking's changed
Oh. no wonder you talk nonsense... you arn't even a parent yet.
Wait till you become a parent first then you come here talk big.
You don't even know how a parent think ...
Unlike you.. I am both a parent to my children and a children to my parent.
So , I think it's important you stop acting like you know shits.
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Originally posted by oldbreadstinks:
her character is what led to the current situation. cutting parents out of her life would be too extreme in her case. likely hurting her more.
most situations like these tend to arise because the "victim" is unwilling to take proactive steps to resolve the problem. somethings are "inborn" or what I felt was drummed into the person as a child.
and I think you're referring to unloving or uncaring parents..... unfilial implies they in turn didn't treat their parents well.
one thing about these situations I've seen /experienced. particularly from ladies is they tend to "enjoy" playing the role of victims. given two choices they would choose the more f*** up one to show they care about their own family. some of which made no sense at all.
particular incidents stood out in my memory, a young lady (young at that point) broke up with the boyfriend, because he had to do ot as an outdoor salesman. reason being they don't see each other that much and she's doing for his good so he could concentrate on his career. the guy protested of course, he claims it's not like they don't love each other or he's unfaithful and he's actually working towards their future
then I recalled......."I thought you live with each other? don't you see each other everynight?"
"it's not the same as going out. it's for everyone's good"
and it totally blew my mind to combine the facts with the actual situation of her crying her heart out so pitifully(I was really young then, didn't realise for the next decade.... they generally tend to behave this way)
another one when I got used to this behavior.... there was a lady who kept pumping money towards her parents' upkeep and housing(flat wasn't paid for) her (older)brother doesn't work,hardly works. and her husband's pissed with this but she insisted on paying in the name of fillial piety. yet complained if her parents were to pass away the flat despite her being the one paying would be given to her brother. her parents prefer boys that sort of thing. best outcome is the parents share 50% between the kids.
I told her, make a choice and be happy with it, your parents happy with your brother and you suffering with it. OR suffering together but your wallet suffers less. you don't have to be happy with your choice , just accept it as the one you made.
her parents aren't "evil" or your types of "unfillial parents"
they'll get around to accepting their daughter has a family of her own now. but it's the daughter who can't let go.
but really rather then cutting off the parents she should access whether she belongs to that type, and then whether her parents truly require that much from her.
if her parents felt that they have to scale down they would, in her own words, it's the moral blackmail she can't take.
I observe the belief that like it or not my parents brought me into this world. and by that, I owe a debt of fillial piety. (a view I think you disagree with) my parents weren't shitty towards me so I guess it helps. I noticed that came up often in your arguements against east asian fillial piety. anyway, another thing that I noticed , the older generation..... were extremely fillial especially the ones who were horrible to their children. . daughters seem to care and forgave more compared to sons.
yet when newer values come from the west in the name of empowerment of the individual. I also understand if I were to have children they would likely subscribe to this view. love or not if they don't succeed in life the parents would become a burden they can dispose off easily. quite a few I talked to told me why they still work in low end jobs is because they know times are hard and they don't want to increase the burden on their kids.
Rubbish
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Originally posted by oldbreadstinks:
her character is what led to the current situation. cutting parents out of her life would be too extreme in her case. likely hurting her more.
most situations like these tend to arise because the "victim" is unwilling to take proactive steps to resolve the problem. somethings are "inborn" or what I felt was drummed into the person as a child.
and I think you're referring to unloving or uncaring parents..... unfilial implies they in turn didn't treat their parents well.
one thing about these situations I've seen /experienced. particularly from ladies is they tend to "enjoy" playing the role of victims. given two choices they would choose the more f*** up one to show they care about their own family. some of which made no sense at all.
particular incidents stood out in my memory, a young lady (young at that point) broke up with the boyfriend, because he had to do ot as an outdoor salesman. reason being they don't see each other that much and she's doing for his good so he could concentrate on his career. the guy protested of course, he claims it's not like they don't love each other or he's unfaithful and he's actually working towards their future
then I recalled......."I thought you live with each other? don't you see each other everynight?"
"it's not the same as going out. it's for everyone's good"
and it totally blew my mind to combine the facts with the actual situation of her crying her heart out so pitifully(I was really young then, didn't realise for the next decade.... they generally tend to behave this way)
another one when I got used to this behavior.... there was a lady who kept pumping money towards her parents' upkeep and housing(flat wasn't paid for) her (older)brother doesn't work,hardly works. and her husband's pissed with this but she insisted on paying in the name of fillial piety. yet complained if her parents were to pass away the flat despite her being the one paying would be given to her brother. her parents prefer boys that sort of thing. best outcome is the parents share 50% between the kids.
I told her, make a choice and be happy with it, your parents happy with your brother and you suffering with it. OR suffering together but your wallet suffers less. you don't have to be happy with your choice , just accept it as the one you made.
her parents aren't "evil" or your types of "unfillial parents"
they'll get around to accepting their daughter has a family of her own now. but it's the daughter who can't let go.
but really rather then cutting off the parents she should access whether she belongs to that type, and then whether her parents truly require that much from her.
if her parents felt that they have to scale down they would, in her own words, it's the moral blackmail she can't take.
I observe the belief that like it or not my parents brought me into this world. and by that, I owe a debt of fillial piety. (a view I think you disagree with) my parents weren't shitty towards me so I guess it helps. I noticed that came up often in your arguements against east asian fillial piety. anyway, another thing that I noticed , the older generation..... were extremely fillial especially the ones who were horrible to their children. . daughters seem to care and forgave more compared to sons.
yet when newer values come from the west in the name of empowerment of the individual. I also understand if I were to have children they would likely subscribe to this view. love or not if they don't succeed in life the parents would become a burden they can dispose off easily. quite a few I talked to told me why they still work in low end jobs is because they know times are hard and they don't want to increase the burden on their kids.
More rubbish
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Originally posted by jojobeach:
Oh. no wonder you talk nonsense... you arn't even a parent yet.
Wait till you become a parent first then you come here talk big.
You don't even know how a parent think ...
Unlike you.. I am both a parent to my children and a children to my parent.
So , I think it's important you stop acting like you know shits.
jojo omgwtf
you mean if he were a parent his words become more sense?
no wonder you keep attacking people personally
omgwtf
imagine one taxi driver saying this.
taxi driver: "jojobeach is stupid because her words dont make sense"
then imagine lee kuan yew say this
Papa Lee Kuan Yew: "jojobeach is stupid because her words dont make sense"
so... I think by your logic, when LKY says it, it is correct. But if taxi driver say it, then it is not correct. right?
huh?
omgwtf
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Originally posted by John Wong:
jojo omgwtf
you mean if he were a parent his words become more sense?
no wonder you keep attacking people personally
omgwtf
imagine one taxi driver saying this.
taxi driver: "jojobeach is stupid because her words dont make sense"
then imagine lee kuan yew say this
Papa Lee Kuan Yew: "jojobeach is stupid because her words dont make sense"
so... I think by your logic, when LKY says it, it is correct. But if taxi driver say it, then it is not correct. right?
huh?
omgwtf
prime minister lee is a more important and famous person, who needs to judge his words carefully.
meanwhile, a regular student like me can say "I want to start a war with Country X" and nobody cares.
Prime Minister Lee may have to make a public apology if he ever say that.
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Originally posted by jojobeach:
Seriously.. I simply cannot convince a man who is UNWILLING to be convinced.
You can call me a spoiled brat.. whatever...
Where in any posting did I mention about not being fillial ?
Just because I don't ascribe to your forced version of fillial piety .. means I am not fillial ? What kind of stupid logic is that ?
I am fillial to my parents .. because I wanted to.. they never had toindoctrinate any ideas in my head since young...all they had been showing me was.. how to be a great parent.
Please.. you need to stop imagining things...
Frankly.. i am starting to wonder what kind of FATHER you had been to your kids...
Why do you need to force your children to be fillial ? Are you a LOUSY father ?
Did you not earn their love and respect ? Are they not willing to love you back ? WHY ?
Someone once told me.... " If you want to get something out of a cup.. you need to fill it with something first"
Some parents are raising their child like pigs..give them food, a shelter... then insist it's ok to slaughter (financially, emotionally, physically ) their children like pigs when they are mature.
SO... if you still want to insist upon your children that... they MUST be fillial towards you .. eventho you were a shitty parent to them..... well... good luck with that !!
Haha, Jojo bitch imagining everybody likes her. Gosh, look at yourself, your thrash talk. Jojo bitch is the queen bitch. nobody likes her.here people are talking about improving birth rates in singapore, this jojo bitch dares to comment here when she and her family betray the country by migrating to USA.
What a traitor.
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Originally posted by John Wong:
jojo omgwtf
you mean if he were a parent his words become more sense?
no wonder you keep attacking people personally
omgwtf
imagine one taxi driver saying this.
taxi driver: "jojobeach is stupid because her words dont make sense"
then imagine lee kuan yew say this
Papa Lee Kuan Yew: "jojobeach is stupid because her words dont make sense"
so... I think by your logic, when LKY says it, it is correct. But if taxi driver say it, then it is not correct. right?
huh?
omgwtf
Actually you are right... Words from Taxi Drivers do NOT carry more weight than LKY.
If LKY say you die... it means you die.
If Unker taxi driver say you die... you laugh at him.
You dont seem so stupid afterall.... smart boi.
So OMGWTF.... now I know you just acting stupid for the attention.
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Originally posted by jojobeach:
Oh. no wonder you talk nonsense... you arn't even a parent yet.
Wait till you become a parent first then you come here talk big.
You don't even know how a parent think ...
Unlike you.. I am both a parent to my children and a children to my parent.
So , I think it's important you stop acting like you know shits.
I have to be a parent first and knowing how they think before practicing fillial piety?
what happened to your "do it because you love your parents 1 page ago?"
and in case you haven't realised this, people without kids are more rational when it comes to dealing with them. especially those not belonging to their families
based on what you've posted here I say you're both a shitty parent and a lousy kid
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Originally posted by jojobeach:
More rubbish
why? struck a cord?
you know, you actually do behave the same way here?
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Originally posted by John Wong:
jojo omgwtf
you mean if he were a parent his words become more sense?
no wonder you keep attacking people personally
omgwtf
imagine one taxi driver saying this.
taxi driver: "jojobeach is stupid because her words dont make sense"
then imagine lee kuan yew say this
Papa Lee Kuan Yew: "jojobeach is stupid because her words dont make sense"
so... I think by your logic, when LKY says it, it is correct. But if taxi driver say it, then it is not correct. right?
huh?
omgwtf
actually by anyone's logic.... at least on the outside, LKY makes it correct when he says it.
you may not feel convinced on the inside but sadly..... it's not something we have a choice about.
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Sorry to intrude. But the idea is totally sexist. Singapore is not a dictatorial country like back in nazi germany. Plus given this day and age, people can voice out, migrate and choose not to vote for the government who implemented this. And the difference between germany under hitler and singapore is that the government does not hold us at gunpoint. We can choose what we want to do and what we don't want to do. We are a democratic nation, excuse you.