Why is there so much dislike towards PAP?

• Bikeforceful

  3 Mar 12, 22:59

  Originally posted by Clivebenss:

  they are out of touch.

  

  
  Is being out of touch really the reason? Can a government be governing for more than 5 decades and be out of touch? And yet contiune to be voted in?
• Dalforce 1941

  3 Mar 12, 23:04

  Originally posted by Bikeforceful:

  
  Can a government be governing for more than 5 decades and be out of touch? 

  Any party in power for such a long period of time will slowly be out of touch.

• Bikeforceful

  3 Mar 12, 23:23

  Originally posted by Dalforce 1941:

  Any party in power for such a long period of time will slowly be out of touch.

  
  Fact is - their results are still OK..
• charlize

  7 Mar 12, 19:00

  Originally posted by Bikeforceful:

  
  Fact is - their results are still OK..

  

• Gimchow

  8 Mar 12, 15:14

  Originally posted by Bikeforceful:

  
  Fact is - their results are still OK..

  
  Ya is ok. fund in 1.1b (sorry, can't remember how much) to transport. They have a good intention

  But when i read this morning chinese paper, i can only say WHAT THE HELL IS THAT

• Gimchow

  8 Mar 12, 16:35

  No public transport fare adjustments this year:  Lui Tuck Yew

  No public transport fares can be expected this year. (Yahoo! file photo)

  No public transport fare adjustments can be expected this year, said Minister for Transport Lui Tuck Yew.

  Speaking in parliament on Wednesday, Lui announced that public transport operators are currently facing higher costs -- especially on their bus operations -- and hence, the government should not be in a rush to review this year's fare adjustments.

  Lui added that the current fare formula is due for review this year and that any fare adjustments that were not made this year will be taken into consideration into next year's fare formula.

  With no changes to fare adjustments, the disabled and polytechnic students will not get to enjoy any fare concessions.

  Although Lui expressed sympathy for these two groups of citizens, he maintained that "not all of these requests [to implement fare concessions] can be addressed immediately or entirely within a single fare revision exercise".

  In addition, Lui also asked for patience from the Members of Parliament who had advocated fare concessions for polytechnic students, before adding that the Public Transport Council (PTC), which is the body that regulates fares, is "acutely aware" of the requests for concession and will co-operate with transport operators to consider these requests.

  Low-income earners at losing end

  Singaporeans expressed concern with Lui's announcement, with many anticipating fare adjustments in next year's formula.

  Others also noted that the static fares will no doubt affect low-income families who are already struggling to make ends meet.

  Said Facebook user Ong Yongjie, who responded to Yahoo! Singapore's wall post, "Transport minister Lui Tuck Yew should get our approval first… Did he even think about those low-income families [who have to take] transport to work or school?"

  Another user, Celia Lim echoed Ong. She said: "Does the transport minister know that there are many Singaporeans who are forced to reduce their weekly visit of their old parents to once a month, or two months or even quarterly [because of unyielding transport fares]?"

  "Mr Lui, you do not understand what it means to be an average income earner, let alone a poor person, in today's Singapore. You and your colleagues have been clouded by those digitised dreams of your own version of world class public transport system!" Lim continued.

  However others like Facebook user Jon Ng noted that instead of complaining that transport operators could use the proposed S$1.1 billion -- which was announced in this year's Budget to improve bus service levels --  to reduce transport fares, Singaporeans should instead take a more proactive approach.

  "With new trains, there will be increased operation expenses. The $1.1 billion doesn't include these costs — [but] just the purchase of hardware. For those who harp on the amount… nothing would change unless you think, suggest and really submit a proposal [to the government] instead."

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  Amazing 1.1B

• charlize

  8 Mar 12, 19:42

  Originally posted by Gimchow:

  No public transport fare adjustments this year:  Lui Tuck Yew

  No public transport fares can be expected this year. (Yahoo! file photo)

  No public transport fare adjustments can be expected this year, said Minister for Transport Lui Tuck Yew.

  Speaking in parliament on Wednesday, Lui announced that public transport operators are currently facing higher costs -- especially on their bus operations -- and hence, the government should not be in a rush to review this year's fare adjustments.

  Lui added that the current fare formula is due for review this year and that any fare adjustments that were not made this year will be taken into consideration into next year's fare formula.

  With no changes to fare adjustments, the disabled and polytechnic students will not get to enjoy any fare concessions.

  Although Lui expressed sympathy for these two groups of citizens, he maintained that "not all of these requests [to implement fare concessions] can be addressed immediately or entirely within a single fare revision exercise".

  In addition, Lui also asked for patience from the Members of Parliament who had advocated fare concessions for polytechnic students, before adding that the Public Transport Council (PTC), which is the body that regulates fares, is "acutely aware" of the requests for concession and will co-operate with transport operators to consider these requests.

  Low-income earners at losing end

  Singaporeans expressed concern with Lui's announcement, with many anticipating fare adjustments in next year's formula.

  Others also noted that the static fares will no doubt affect low-income families who are already struggling to make ends meet.

  Said Facebook user Ong Yongjie, who responded to Yahoo! Singapore's wall post, "Transport minister Lui Tuck Yew should get our approval first… Did he even think about those low-income families [who have to take] transport to work or school?"

  Another user, Celia Lim echoed Ong. She said: "Does the transport minister know that there are many Singaporeans who are forced to reduce their weekly visit of their old parents to once a month, or two months or even quarterly [because of unyielding transport fares]?"

  "Mr Lui, you do not understand what it means to be an average income earner, let alone a poor person, in today's Singapore. You and your colleagues have been clouded by those digitised dreams of your own version of world class public transport system!" Lim continued.

  However others like Facebook user Jon Ng noted that instead of complaining that transport operators could use the proposed S$1.1 billion -- which was announced in this year's Budget to improve bus service levels --  to reduce transport fares, Singaporeans should instead take a more proactive approach.

  "With new trains, there will be increased operation expenses. The $1.1 billion doesn't include these costs — [but] just the purchase of hardware. For those who harp on the amount… nothing would change unless you think, suggest and really submit a proposal [to the government] instead."

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  Amazing 1.1B

  Why you not happy it is $1.1 billion?

   

  You want more or less?

• Gimchow

  9 Mar 12, 15:40

  Originally posted by charlize:

  Why you not happy it is $1.1 billion?

   

  You want more or less?

  $1.1b, can't even get some advantage for studen and disabled, not to mention keep the same price for another few years.

  $1.1 billion, so litter can be done. Should try 100 billion then !!

• charlize

  10 Mar 12, 00:26

  Originally posted by Gimchow:

  $1.1b, can't even get some advantage for studen and disabled, not to mention keep the same price for another few years.

  $1.1 billion, so litter can be done. Should try 100 billion then !!

  You damn greedy. 

• Gimchow

  10 Mar 12, 10:18

  Originally posted by charlize:

  You damn greedy. 

  
  No, i'm not. Nothing is free

• winsomeea

  10 Mar 12, 13:52

  Originally posted by Bikeforceful:

  
  Is being out of touch really the reason? Can a government be governing for more than 5 decades and be out of touch? And yet contiune to be voted in?

  
  Out of touch intentionally lah. Know too much or accept too much they have to come out with more money to help. Heck care attitude suits them best to ensure they are still on the right track to self serving.
• charlize

  22 Mar 12, 21:23

  Originally posted by Gimchow:

  
  No, i'm not. Nothing is free

  Fresh air is free.

   

  For now.

• Summer hill

  22 Mar 12, 22:05

  Originally posted by charlize:

  Fresh air is free.

   

  For now.

  you can't live on fresh air alone.

• speakoutfor

  23 Mar 12, 17:03

  I don't know why everybody complaining about PAP. You should look at Malaysia.

  Malaysia could have become an economic tiger. But sadly a lot of mismanagement by the BN gahmen. The BN now complain that budget deficit cause by high subsidies. But actual fact is the BN politicians running the country to the ground with all their mafia rackets extorting the country.

  The proton car is a national racket to profit all BN politicians and businessmen. The whole supply chain network is dominated by them. They deliberately tax high import duties on jap/continental/american cars to force msians to buy their crap proton/naza/perodua cars. Which in turn all the suppliers of spare parts benefit from this. Most msians cannot afford expensive import cars are forced to buy the shit proton car which is defective and have a lot of quality problems.

  Then there is land issue. A lot of state gahmen collude with BN politicians - sell them land dirt cheap price and then develop shopping malls and office blocks to make big margins.

  There is the rubbish OSA law that does not allow the citizens to vet the contracts made between gahmen and private contractors - so the gahmen continue to bleed the country dry.

  Also there is highway concessionaires. Many well connected BN politicians make money thru this racket. They go and build a stupid highway and then block all the small roads forcing residents to use their stupid highway and then charge toll to the residences.

  There is also well connected construction companies connected to BN - they all cheat the people one. They go and quote high high price and the gahmen accept this crap contracts. In the end they use cheap substandard materials to build bridges/stadiums/infrastructures/flyovers. Sometimes schools and stadiums collapse because of this substandard materials. Imagine the margins these bastards make ! Some more no tender ! No transparency ! So nobody knows the terms of these contracts.

  Always we hear these few stupid companies - gamudddaaa and MMMCCC always get the lucrative govt tenders.

  Then there is the blady media. They are so bias. All the newspapers - chinese/tamil/english/malay are owned by the gahmen. Everyday we hear them blast the opposition and only praise the gahmen. Whenever the opposition do good job we never hear only when they screw up the gahmen controlled newspapers post it on front page big big.

  Malaysia started out on same level playing field as South Korea. But look at South Korea today - can fight Japan with Samsung Hyundai and Daewoo.

  Malaysia got what? Petrol? Even that is running out.

  Then our education level is like shit. This year gahmen declared 10,000 students got straight As ! Wah sound very good. Only thing is that the gahmen made the exam so easy so that the majority people can pass. A lot of chinese so pissed with our education system that they migrate overseas for better education for their kids.

  So what is wrong with PAP? Yeah, theyare a bit ruthless but at least they did a GREAT JOB to put singapore where it is today.

  Then election was cancelled for municipal councils by BN in 1969. This has resulted in state gahmen choosing their own municipal reps. These reps continue to develop the country out of control. Until landslides kill 50 people in highland towers. Residents try to sue but gahmen made a new statute law to place municipal councils immune to prosecution. So these corrupted municipal councillars continue to sell land cheap and develop them and pocket $$$ into their own private pockets. The development going out of control until housing areas such as Puchong expand so big resulting in 2 hour jams.

  Public transportation is non existence. Last time got mini bus, srijaya and even a lot of chinese bus transport such as Toong Foong. But no no the gahmen want to control everything. Then they cancelled bus permits and awarded them to Mahathir co called Metrobus and one stupid company. So now the busses come around like once an hour ! Also some places got no bus at all. The stupid LRT only service certain places. KTM commutor always break down.

• charlize

  23 Mar 12, 23:55

  

• Clivebenss

  24 Mar 12, 09:07

  why must compare with the lesser?

  

• Summer hill

  24 Mar 12, 09:19

  why must compare?

• charlize

  24 Mar 12, 09:43

  To compare or not to compare? 

• lce

  24 Mar 12, 09:45

  Originally posted by speakoutfor:

  I don't know why everybody complaining about PAP. You should look at Malaysia.

  Malaysia could have become an economic tiger. But sadly a lot of mismanagement by the BN gahmen. The BN now complain that budget deficit cause by high subsidies. But actual fact is the BN politicians running the country to the ground with all their mafia rackets extorting the country.

  The proton car is a national racket to profit all BN politicians and businessmen. The whole supply chain network is dominated by them. They deliberately tax high import duties on jap/continental/american cars to force msians to buy their crap proton/naza/perodua cars. Which in turn all the suppliers of spare parts benefit from this. Most msians cannot afford expensive import cars are forced to buy the shit proton car which is defective and have a lot of quality problems.

  Then there is land issue. A lot of state gahmen collude with BN politicians - sell them land dirt cheap price and then develop shopping malls and office blocks to make big margins.

  There is the rubbish OSA law that does not allow the citizens to vet the contracts made between gahmen and private contractors - so the gahmen continue to bleed the country dry.

  Also there is highway concessionaires. Many well connected BN politicians make money thru this racket. They go and build a stupid highway and then block all the small roads forcing residents to use their stupid highway and then charge toll to the residences.

  There is also well connected construction companies connected to BN - they all cheat the people one. They go and quote high high price and the gahmen accept this crap contracts. In the end they use cheap substandard materials to build bridges/stadiums/infrastructures/flyovers. Sometimes schools and stadiums collapse because of this substandard materials. Imagine the margins these bastards make ! Some more no tender ! No transparency ! So nobody knows the terms of these contracts.

  Always we hear these few stupid companies - gamudddaaa and MMMCCC always get the lucrative govt tenders.

  Then there is the blady media. They are so bias. All the newspapers - chinese/tamil/english/malay are owned by the gahmen. Everyday we hear them blast the opposition and only praise the gahmen. Whenever the opposition do good job we never hear only when they screw up the gahmen controlled newspapers post it on front page big big.

  Malaysia started out on same level playing field as South Korea. But look at South Korea today - can fight Japan with Samsung Hyundai and Daewoo.

  Malaysia got what? Petrol? Even that is running out.

  Then our education level is like shit. This year gahmen declared 10,000 students got straight As ! Wah sound very good. Only thing is that the gahmen made the exam so easy so that the majority people can pass. A lot of chinese so pissed with our education system that they migrate overseas for better education for their kids.

  So what is wrong with PAP? Yeah, theyare a bit ruthless but at least they did a GREAT JOB to put singapore where it is today.

  Then election was cancelled for municipal councils by BN in 1969. This has resulted in state gahmen choosing their own municipal reps. These reps continue to develop the country out of control. Until landslides kill 50 people in highland towers. Residents try to sue but gahmen made a new statute law to place municipal councils immune to prosecution. So these corrupted municipal councillars continue to sell land cheap and develop them and pocket $$$ into their own private pockets. The development going out of control until housing areas such as Puchong expand so big resulting in 2 hour jams.

  Public transportation is non existence. Last time got mini bus, srijaya and even a lot of chinese bus transport such as Toong Foong. But no no the gahmen want to control everything. Then they cancelled bus permits and awarded them to Mahathir co called Metrobus and one stupid company. So now the busses come around like once an hour ! Also some places got no bus at all. The stupid LRT only service certain places. KTM commutor always break down.

  seems u r sleepin n hav no idea wat is all about, perhaps it will be too late wen u woke up

  dream on

• the Bear

  24 Mar 12, 09:45

  we no need to compare.. each time the idiots like Tan Chuan Jin or whoever open their mouths, people will hate them more...

  actually, no need for them to open their mouths.. just look at them people hate them already

• charlize

  24 Mar 12, 09:53

  Originally posted by the Bear:

  we no need to compare.. each time the idiots like Tan Chuan Jin or whoever open their mouths, people will hate them more...

  actually, no need for them to open their mouths.. just look at them people hate them already

  

• winsomeea

  24 Mar 12, 15:20

  PAP is bai lei!    Exist to suck people dry!    

• speakoutfor

  24 Mar 12, 22:04

  Originally posted by lce:

  seems u r sleepin n hav no idea wat is all about, perhaps it will be too late wen u woke up

  dream on

  
  Dream what? Or are you the one dreaming?

  You should appreciate what you have. Sure PAP have caused you a bit of inconvenience such as expensive housing/inflation/high ministray salary. But had singapore still been part of malaysia - you be in much worse position.

  I think you are the one dreaming and complaining a LOT.

• alize

  24 Mar 12, 22:11

  Originally posted by speakoutfor:

  I don't know why everybody complaining about PAP. You should look at Malaysia.

  Malaysia could have become an economic tiger. But sadly a lot of mismanagement by the BN gahmen. The BN now complain that budget deficit cause by high subsidies. But actual fact is the BN politicians running the country to the ground with all their mafia rackets extorting the country.

  The proton car is a national racket to profit all BN politicians and businessmen. The whole supply chain network is dominated by them. They deliberately tax high import duties on jap/continental/american cars to force msians to buy their crap proton/naza/perodua cars. Which in turn all the suppliers of spare parts benefit from this. Most msians cannot afford expensive import cars are forced to buy the shit proton car which is defective and have a lot of quality problems.

  Then there is land issue. A lot of state gahmen collude with BN politicians - sell them land dirt cheap price and then develop shopping malls and office blocks to make big margins.

  There is the rubbish OSA law that does not allow the citizens to vet the contracts made between gahmen and private contractors - so the gahmen continue to bleed the country dry.

  Also there is highway concessionaires. Many well connected BN politicians make money thru this racket. They go and build a stupid highway and then block all the small roads forcing residents to use their stupid highway and then charge toll to the residences.

  There is also well connected construction companies connected to BN - they all cheat the people one. They go and quote high high price and the gahmen accept this crap contracts. In the end they use cheap substandard materials to build bridges/stadiums/infrastructures/flyovers. Sometimes schools and stadiums collapse because of this substandard materials. Imagine the margins these bastards make ! Some more no tender ! No transparency ! So nobody knows the terms of these contracts.

  Always we hear these few stupid companies - gamudddaaa and MMMCCC always get the lucrative govt tenders.

  Then there is the blady media. They are so bias. All the newspapers - chinese/tamil/english/malay are owned by the gahmen. Everyday we hear them blast the opposition and only praise the gahmen. Whenever the opposition do good job we never hear only when they screw up the gahmen controlled newspapers post it on front page big big.

  Malaysia started out on same level playing field as South Korea. But look at South Korea today - can fight Japan with Samsung Hyundai and Daewoo.

  Malaysia got what? Petrol? Even that is running out.

  Then our education level is like shit. This year gahmen declared 10,000 students got straight As ! Wah sound very good. Only thing is that the gahmen made the exam so easy so that the majority people can pass. A lot of chinese so pissed with our education system that they migrate overseas for better education for their kids.

  So what is wrong with PAP? Yeah, theyare a bit ruthless but at least they did a GREAT JOB to put singapore where it is today.

  Then election was cancelled for municipal councils by BN in 1969. This has resulted in state gahmen choosing their own municipal reps. These reps continue to develop the country out of control. Until landslides kill 50 people in highland towers. Residents try to sue but gahmen made a new statute law to place municipal councils immune to prosecution. So these corrupted municipal councillars continue to sell land cheap and develop them and pocket $$$ into their own private pockets. The development going out of control until housing areas such as Puchong expand so big resulting in 2 hour jams.

  Public transportation is non existence. Last time got mini bus, srijaya and even a lot of chinese bus transport such as Toong Foong. But no no the gahmen want to control everything. Then they cancelled bus permits and awarded them to Mahathir co called Metrobus and one stupid company. So now the busses come around like once an hour ! Also some places got no bus at all. The stupid LRT only service certain places. KTM commutor always break down.

  Malaysia is indeed a terrible place but we are not comparing ourselves against Malaysia.

  In Singapore we have 40 year loans. We don't want this. We don't care if Malaysia has 50 year loans.

• winsomeea

  24 Mar 12, 22:19

  The ministers have no shame to pay themselves first ministers salary, highest salary in the world, hence no reason at all to compare with Malaysia.   The govt in Malaysia are not paid that obscene amount of salary as the PAPigs, greedy pigs.

  With that kind of salary they pay themselves , sad to say their performance is not up to par, it is mediocre and below.    What a shame!

  Much is paid, much is expected.