Uni population: Give total percentage of non-citizens
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Aug 16, 2011 - ST Forum
I APPLAUD the move to cap foreign student enrolment at current levels and add more university places for Singaporean students ("2,000 more uni places for local students"; yesterday).
It was mentioned in the Prime Minister's National Day Rally speech on Sunday that the proportion of foreign students at universities here is 18 per cent. However, a check with the three public universities' websites shows it to be 20 per cent.
Despite years of debate and analysis on the issue of university places for foreigners, the obvious question has never been asked or answered: What is the percentage of non-Singaporeans - including permanent residents - in the total student population of the three public universities?
I estimate the percentage of non-Singaporean students to be more than 40 per cent, because 20 per cent of undergraduate admissions were reserved for foreigners, plus perhaps about 10 plus per cent of permanent residents; and I understand that about three-quarters of the postgraduate students are non-Singaporeans.
What percentage of foreign students receive some form of financial aid, like the Education Ministry's tuition grants, scholarships exclusive to foreigners, and the like?
In sum, how much funding a year is given to non-Singaporeans, and how much direct funding is given to Singaporeans?
Leong Sze Hian
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cap percentage or numbers?
cap percentage means it will still be the same feeling as now.....just more people everywhere.
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i think shd be 80%
ask any uni student, out of 10 classmates, how many are not singaporeans. -
Originally posted by FireIce:
i think shd be 80%
ask any uni student, out of 10 classmates, how many are not singaporeans.
Yah Fireice is right. The bus 179 full of PRC and foreign students. -
What PM failed to mention was that the idea was conceptualized by a Singaporean and a Canadian Greek, the Indian national was just playing a side role which could have been easily taken up by another Singaporean. The Indian national wasn't playing a critical role in this startup.
c. e.g. BioMers – startup company producing a translucent orthodontic brace system
i. Key people are three Singaporeans, one Indian national (all NUS alumni) and one Canadian Greek
ii. Two Singaporeans developed the base technology
iii. Another Singaporean went to UK for graduate studies, where the Canadian Greek was a fellow student. Together they further developed the technology for commercialisation
iv. They came together to form BioMers, and brought in an Indian national whom the Singaporeans knew from NUS
v. Product launched last year and doing well
vi. BioMers now has 26 staff, more than half Singaporean
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Just because an idiot goes through UNI doesn't mean he will be bright. Find a job perhaps yes. Though I pity with your Govt for treating their own people like Foreigners, atleast let some bright guys from other countries study there.
In the few years I spent in SG I always found foreigners to be much more well informed, polite and with betetr accent than the local trash. There were rare exceptions of course.
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If Singaporeans are so rude, perhaps we should get rid of Singaporeans and turn this country into 80% foreigners.
Since it's mostly foreigners perhaps we can change turn it into another China or India.
If Singaporeans are rude and unbearable, why are these foreign trash doing in Singapore?
They enjoy a sub-standard of living in Singapore? Perhaps they should go back to India, Indonesia, Philippines or China to enjoy a higher standard of living. They can enjoy the courteous attitude of their countrymen.
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Originally posted by FireIce:
i think shd be 80%
ask any uni student, out of 10 classmates, how many are not singaporeans.
It all depends on the faculty.Some faculty are just not as popular with SGreans.
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Originally posted by FireIce:
i think shd be 80%
ask any uni student, out of 10 classmates, how many are not singaporeans.Out of 10 about 4 are Chinese nationals.. =P
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Weird PAP policies.
Singaporean loses University place to foreigner, goes abroad for further studies in UK or US, ends up paying US$105k for University tuition.
While the foreigner taking up this Singaporean's University place ends up paying SG$45k for University tuition.
Makes sense to you?
It's like your parents asking you to take your meals outside (you pay $12 a meal), whereas your parents can give you home cooked food for just $4.
PAP is subsidizing foreigners to screw up Singaporeans.
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well, getting into uni should be based on merits of individual not by nationality. it will make that university more popular for bright students, which could be of any nationality...
i noticed one uni in china has normal gmat score as 780... that is the highest in the world... it requires good brains to get 780... if we make 'reserved' seats for nationality then it will definitely make people lazy to compete.
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Originally posted by pv.sh:
well, getting into uni should be based on merits of individual not by nationality. it will make that university more popular for bright students, which could be of any nationality...
i noticed one uni in china has normal gmat score as 780... that is the highest in the world... it requires good brains to get 780... if we make 'reserved' seats for nationality then it will definitely make people lazy to compete.
Well said pv.Let me guess you are not local trash^^ -
Originally posted by pv.sh:
well, getting into uni should be based on merits of individual not by nationality. it will make that university more popular for bright students, which could be of any nationality...
i noticed one uni in china has normal gmat score as 780... that is the highest in the world... it requires good brains to get 780... if we make 'reserved' seats for nationality then it will definitely make people lazy to compete.
But isn't that using tax payers money to pursue a policy that is against the inalienable rights of Singaporeans?
Those Universities are built using Singaporeans' money and now it's used to subsidize foreigners.
Based on your logic. If Singapore University places should be based on merits regardless of nationality. Then I ask you.
If all the smart people come to Singapore (surely there are more smart people in the world compared to just Singapore), displaces all the Singaporeans from University, after 3-4 years of study, all move back to their home countries or other advanced economies.
What would happen to our dear little Singapore? No University graduates, we will be reduced to working as maids and bricklayers in Thailand, Indonesia, Philippines and China.
But then if you are foreigners then it's totally good for you, cheap education which you can't get in your own decrepit 3rd world country.
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Originally posted by pv.sh:
well, getting into uni should be based on merits of individual not by nationality. it will make that university more popular for bright students, which could be of any nationality...
i noticed one uni in china has normal gmat score as 780... that is the highest in the world... it requires good brains to get 780... if we make 'reserved' seats for nationality then it will definitely make people lazy to compete.
Absolutely logical.So why do I have to defer my education for NS and then compete with those who didn't?
Chew on that.
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Singaporean Universities should be soley for Singaporeans only, unless you are those top 5% of geniuses compared to Singaporeans.
Not for any Tom Dick and Harry to get a cheap education to springboard into the international stage.
This kind of PAP policy will only result in PAP saying "We have a shortage of talents, that's why we need to import more foreign talent", when it's their own doing that has created this shortage of talents.
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I'm sure most of singaporeans are up to compete and intelligent to give tough competetion to foreigners.
if you think otherway, if govt allows singaporeans to join university without competetion then think 5-6 years down the line, will it force locals to study hard. what will come out of university? will MNC hire them and pay them high?
getting competetion should be marked as good thing rather than bad thing, it's very personal view. some people may not agree. pls excuse me.
but i also dont agree on foreign students do not contribute to singapore's economy. so i'm not able to digest your tax topic. i may need to do some more research.
and Bio-Hawk, one way you are talking about being polite and other side you are using words like 'local trash' it's confusing.
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Have you been studying at our universities?
Do you realise many of these "FT"s are no talents at all?
I am impressed by some of them, but there aren't many. What competition really?
And why are we subsidising them?
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Originally posted by pv.sh:
I'm sure most of singaporeans are up to compete and intelligent to give tough competetion to foreigners.
if you think otherway, if govt allows singaporeans to join university without competetion then think 5-6 years down the line, will it force locals to study hard. what will come out of university? will MNC hire them and pay them high?
getting competetion should be marked as good thing rather than bad thing, it's very personal view. some people may not agree. pls excuse me.
but i also dont agree on foreign students do not contribute to singapore's economy. so i'm not able to digest your tax topic. i may need to do some more research.
and Bio-Hawk, one way you are talking about being polite and other side you are using words like 'local trash' it's confusing.
What competition you talking about? Isn't there competition amongst the locals already? It's not 100% enrolment rate for locals, only the top tier goes to University.
Then what? Let foreigners take up 100% of University places? Surely Singapore cannot compete with the world's population in terms of geniuses. 5-6 years down the road all these University graduates would have left Singapore for greener pastures. Is that the kind of competition you want?
What's so difficult to understand, education is highly subsidized in any country. You still need to do research on this statement?
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Luckily alot of currencies dropped nowadays if not go overseas study more expensive !!! Sot sot PAP policies.
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looks like you are very convienced that if locals complete with foreign students, then they will not get even a single seat in uni?
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1% of the world population are geniuses.
World population is 6.8 billion.
Which is about 68 million geniuses.
How many thousand places do you have at NUS, NTU and SMU?
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what if singapore talent is so nice to fill that top tier?
most of 6.8 billion does not get education.
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Originally posted by pv.sh:
looks like you are very convienced that if locals complete with foreign students, then they will not get even a single seat in uni?
Singapore is a small country compared to the world, seems like you don't know the figure.
If you open up the local universities to the world, 1% of the world's geniuses is already 68 million.
http://www.iqtestexperts.com/making-genius.php
Isn't that going to deprive all Singaporeans of University places?
Is it very difficult to understand this simple logic?
Finally when these foreigners get their bachelor's degree, they move to other advanced economies.
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Originally posted by pv.sh:
what if singapore talent is so nice to fill that top tier?
most of 6.8 billion does not get education.
Please speak English.
Likewise, not all Singaporeans gets into University.
But why should PAP deprive Singaporeans the right to University education if they are able to and give that place to foreigners.
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Singaporean University is for Singaporeans, not foreign trash who quit their own country and steal Singaporeans right to University education.
Foreign trash steals University places from Singaporeans and calls them local trash.
It's like a beggar calling the donors idiots after getting donations from them.