are you a singaporean chinese or chinese singaporean?

• BanguIzai

  31 Jul 11, 14:42

  Originally posted by troublemaker2005:

  
  aiyah, the common tongue is for tanjiak 1. learn it can communite with thos echeapo .

  Whatever common tongue, from history till now, it has been naturally formed by the community and not based on a forced-upon basis.

  Example, in olden Singapore,

      people who wanted to communicate with each other chose Malay or Bazaar Malay as the lingua franca.   Other than that, they still speak their mother tongue at home and choose whatever school they want to go to and learn the language in school.  (eg. learn Hokkien in school,  learn  Cantonese in school, etc)

   

  Why should modern Singapore force upon a language upon us as compulsory (eg. Mandarin),  worse,  why does it "brand" this lousy quality stuff as our Mother Tongue,   for your information,   this fake Mother Tongue   is not spoken by my parents at birth nor the many hundred thousands parents out there.

  For tanjiak,  we should pick up whatever we want to pick up,  the government should not lie to us something that is not true.

• lce

  31 Jul 11, 15:49

  agree, without mother tongue we have loss our true culture

• Clivebenss

  31 Jul 11, 16:40

  Originally posted by BanguIzai:

  Whatever common tongue, from history till now, it has been naturally formed by the community and not based on a forced-upon basis.

  Example, in olden Singapore,

      people who wanted to communicate with each other chose Malay or Bazaar Malay as the lingua franca.   Other than that, they still speak their mother tongue at home and choose whatever school they want to go to and learn the language in school.  (eg. learn Hokkien in school,  learn  Cantonese in school, etc)

   

  Why should modern Singapore force upon a language upon us as compulsory (eg. Mandarin),  worse,  why does it "brand" this lousy quality stuff as our Mother Tongue,   for your information,   this fake Mother Tongue   is not spoken by my parents at birth nor the many hundred thousands parents out there.

  For tanjiak,  we should pick up whatever we want to pick up,  the government should not lie to us something that is not true.

  Losing one's true mother tongue (not mandarin) will be the greatest regret when one's grow older, much much older. Don't be surprised.

   

• BanguIzai

  31 Jul 11, 21:40

  Originally posted by lce:

  agree, without mother tongue we have loss our true culture

  yes, I agree 100%

• BanguIzai

  31 Jul 11, 21:41

  Originally posted by Clivebenss:

  Losing one's true mother tongue (not mandarin) will be the greatest regret when one's grow older, much much older. Don't be surprised.

   

  yes, I agree 100% too.

• Fcukpap

  31 Jul 11, 21:44

  the system is practising Neuro Linguistics...another american innovative language to propagandize you to obey positively

• BanguIzai

  31 Jul 11, 21:48

  Originally posted by Fcukpap:

  the system is practising Neuro Linguistics...another american innovative language to propagandize you to obey positively

  Then how come we are not obeying?

• Fcukpap

  31 Jul 11, 22:00

  hands obey but minds are not...haha

• BanguIzai

  31 Jul 11, 22:05

  Originally posted by Fcukpap:

  hands obey but minds are not...haha

  Actually you are right.  Again there are some who really obeyed till the end. So many parents have obeyed the government's instruction not to speak dialects to their children that the dialects have been cut-off in ONE generations time.

   

  All these parent's head are born with a pail of SHIT   in  their goondu  heads.

• Clivebenss

  31 Jul 11, 22:12

  Originally posted by BanguIzai:

  Actually you are right.  Again there are some who really obeyed till the end. So many parents have obeyed the government's instruction not to speak dialects to their children that the dialects have been cut-off in ONE generations time.

   

  All these parent's head are born with a pail of SHIT   in  their goondu  heads.

  that's the downside when one refuse to think but follow blindly. Not all things dish out by anyone is good including oneself.

• Fcukpap

  2 Aug 11, 23:33

  we are now ...

  FOREIGN SINGAPOREAN OR SINGAPORE FOREIGNER

   

• Clivebenss

  3 Aug 11, 00:36

  Originally posted by Fcukpap:

  we are now ...

  FOREIGN SINGAPOREAN OR SINGAPORE FOREIGNER

   

  whatever, it's the choice of blind trust.

• lce

  3 Aug 11, 00:41

  I am a singaporean Alien

• [imdestinyz]

  3 Aug 11, 13:41

  i actually think that dialects are not our so called actual mother tongue but chinese is... because of the unification of chinese words. To me mother tongue does not only involve speaking but also writing as well, which in this case dialect also uses chinese words in expression so i believe it should still be appropriate to see our mother tongue as chinese language.

  Back to the topic by TS, i believe we are native chinese nurtured in singapore. But i do not feel that we should actually differentiate b/w singaporean chinese or chinese singaporean. Not that i am siding PRCs because some of them really do get on my nerves. We shld only differentiate ourselves based of nationality but not by roots.

• Amitayus48

  3 Aug 11, 15:09

  Singapore has grown and globalised. So, I think "human" is a wise version for Singapore

  For language, so far, mandarin has a meaningful, amazing and wise approach on the culture of human grace through its use of word like å­�etc.

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• BanguIzai

  3 Aug 11, 19:17

  Originally posted by [imdestinyz]:

  i actually think that dialects are not our so called actual mother tongue but chinese is... because of the unification of chinese words. To me mother tongue does not only involve speaking but also writing as well, which in this case dialect also uses chinese words in expression so i believe it should still be appropriate to see our mother tongue as chinese language.

  Back to the topic by TS, i believe we are native chinese nurtured in singapore. But i do not feel that we should actually differentiate b/w singaporean chinese or chinese singaporean. Not that i am siding PRCs because some of them really do get on my nerves. We shld only differentiate ourselves based of nationality but not by roots.

  I respect what you think.

  But, I will answer according to your logical conclusion, and you tell me how you think ok?

  "Unification of chinese words", "mother tongue does not only involve speaking but also writing as well", "dialect also uses chinese words in expression"

  These are the 3 main important point is understood to be the criteria for inclusion of Mandarin as a Mother Tongue.

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  • Japanese also uses Chinese words like Mandarin
  • Japanese also uses Chinese words in writing
  • Japanese also uses Chinese words as expressions

  So, the Japanese Language are not their so called actual mother tongue but Chinese is.

  You agree ?

• lce

  3 Aug 11, 20:08

  where is singapore?

• [imdestinyz]

  5 Aug 11, 15:28

  er nope i do not agree... if we look into how chinese words got into jap words, it was because of a exchange in culture b/w the 2 countries whereby they already had their own set of language but chinese was a adding feature.

  but for dialect, chinese is their expression feature isn't it? we do not see hokkien/cantonese or whichever dialect using their own form of word in expression right? but we see them using chinese words only that it was pronounced differently. This is different from the occurance of chinese words in jap language isn't it?

• BanguIzai

  5 Aug 11, 17:03

  Originally posted by [imdestinyz]:

  er nope i do not agree... if we look into how chinese words got into jap words, it was because of a exchange in culture b/w the 2 countries whereby they already had their own set of language but chinese was a adding feature.

  but for dialect, chinese is their expression feature isn't it? we do not see hokkien/cantonese or whichever dialect using their own form of word in expression right? but we see them using chinese words only that it was pronounced differently. This is different from the occurance of chinese words in jap language isn't it?

  No.

  For Hokkien / Cantonese and whichever dialect, they do use their own form of word in expression.

  It is not as simple as the issue of only "see them using chinese words only that it was pronounced differently".

  Actually the situation of Chinese dialects (linguists do not agree that they are dialects, linguists have co-agreed that they are divergent enough from Mandarin that they are to be recognized as "languages".) is very much like that of Japanese. 

   

  Please just read this very short article   (very short onli, 5 pages):

        http://sgforums.com/forums/3948/topics/435584

  Then tell me whether also the characters used in the sentences,  are they found in Mandarin?   Even if they are found,  are the expressions used in the same way as in Mandarin?

   

  Then read on the last paragraph by the linguist, Robert S. Bauer and Stephen Matthews:

  to quote here:

  Cantonese is not Putonghua wearing the exotic phonological garb of southern China, although it is sometimes treated as if it were. Forcing Cantonese through the standard Chinese character filter has the unfortunate effect of lopping off many of its most distinctive and interesting features.

   

  Thanks

• [imdestinyz]

  5 Aug 11, 17:11

  wahh... ur article so long =.=

• Clivebenss

  8 Aug 11, 22:31

  Originally posted by [imdestinyz]:

  wahh... ur article so long =.=

  haha... if dunno don't assume.

  

• BanguIzai

  8 Aug 11, 23:33

  Originally posted by Clivebenss:

  haha... if dunno don't assume.

  

   

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• Fcukpap

  8 Aug 11, 23:38

  鸡鸡为鸡之，�知为�鸡，是鸡也..

  

• BanguIzai

  8 Aug 11, 23:42

  蜘蛛為蜘蛛，布豬為布豬，瘦豬野。

  

  

  

• Clivebenss

  8 Aug 11, 23:48

  haha...