First Liverpool legend to stick the knife into Kop boss Rafa
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Originally posted by charleslee:
1stly, will there be any interested buyers? 2ndly, it will only serve to worsen the depth problem in the squad. 3rdly, we would not have enuff $$ to even buy a quality 1st team players and add a few more quality squad players..
Rafa got enough money to buy quality players but he chose to buy quantity instead...he wanted to do Wenger but sadly Wenger bought gem and Rafa bought dud.Liverpool has the biggest squad in EPL...
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i would wish for anything to happen to get rafael out
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if RM comes in for him again, I think he would leave.
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even if rm dont come in again for him, i hope he leaves
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How can he leave w/o a job lol. even if he is sacked, he is compensated. resign means he get nothing lol. so he is waiting to be sacked.
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im willing to part with our jan transfer funds and ask him to leave.
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Originally posted by sg_forum:
Rafa got enough money to buy quality players but he chose to buy quantity instead...he wanted to do Wenger but sadly Wenger bought gem and Rafa bought dud.Liverpool has the biggest squad in EPL...
i tink he wanted better players, but did nt have enuff $$ at tt crucial pt..so he may have no choice bt to gt youth players.. -
Originally posted by sg_forum:
Rafa got enough money to buy quality players but he chose to buy quantity instead...he wanted to do Wenger but sadly Wenger bought gem and Rafa bought dud.Liverpool has the biggest squad in EPL...
well, i also depends on the master craftsman's skill to polish an uncut diamond, right? Wenger did buy Pennant too, that did not turn out right?So there are hits/misses all round. But lately, Wenger seems to be on a roll, producing quality after quality.
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Originally posted by charleslee:
i tink he wanted better players, but did nt have enuff $$ at tt crucial pt..so he may have no choice bt to gt youth players..hmm.. I thought, the managers will often draw up a list of desirables before the season start, so the club people can work on them?
and furthermore, Rafa has not been given peanuts to work with during his reign in Pool. Of course, we can't compare to the super rich like Chelsea or City. C&C.
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Originally posted by iceFatboy:
hmm.. I thought, the managers will often draw up a list of desirables before the season start, so the club people can work on them?
and furthermore, Rafa has not been given peanuts to work with during his reign in Pool. Of course, we can't compare to the super rich like Chelsea or City. C&C.
lol
C&C enterprise?
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Originally posted by iceFatboy:
well, i also depends on the master craftsman's skill to polish an uncut diamond, right? Wenger did buy Pennant too, that did not turn out right?So there are hits/misses all round. But lately, Wenger seems to be on a roll, producing quality after quality.
Yes, it definitely depends on the polishing skills...like you said, wenger bought pennant...and so did Rafa after that thinking that he might do what Wenger can't...LOLBabel should be a good player and has a great potential but he will never perform to his max under Rafa...
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Originally posted by iceFatboy:
hmm.. I thought, the managers will often draw up a list of desirables before the season start, so the club people can work on them?
and furthermore, Rafa has not been given peanuts to work with during his reign in Pool. Of course, we can't compare to the super rich like Chelsea or City. C&C.
sure...u r not wrong.. the problem is when u r given a budget abt 20 million per season n u r expected to beef up the squad, do u rather get one very gd player and get nobody else or one normal player and some squad player ? n it has been shown sometimes he's forced to gt his 2nd choice as shown in the robbie keane and gareth barry saga.. -
Originally posted by iceFatboy:
well, i also depends on the master craftsman's skill to polish an uncut diamond, right? Wenger did buy Pennant too, that did not turn out right?So there are hits/misses all round. But lately, Wenger seems to be on a roll, producing quality after quality.
it also helps when his scouting network is freaking gd and the owners trust him a lot as compared to liverpool.. -
Originally posted by Rooney9:
if RM comes in for him again, I think he would leave.
tt one must see...coz' unless benitez pulls off yet another miracle, i dun really see RM coming for him yet.. -
Originally posted by sg_forum:
Yes, it definitely depends on the polishing skills...like you said, wenger bought pennant...and so did Rafa after that thinking that he might do what Wenger can't...LOLBabel should be a good player and has a great potential but he will never perform to his max under Rafa...
why is that? cause Rafa doesn't give him the confidence or just becos rafa doesn't play him week in, week out?
not easy to be manager, U have to get readied players to perform, and also develop players.. tiring.
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Originally posted by charleslee:
sure...u r not wrong.. the problem is when u r given a budget abt 20 million per season n u r expected to beef up the squad, do u rather get one very gd player and get nobody else or one normal player and some squad player ? n it has been shown sometimes he's forced to gt his 2nd choice as shown in the robbie keane and gareth barry saga..well, to be fair, he did get who he wanted in Torres, not too sure about Keane, and Barry. To be fair, I feel the Barry saga got messy and hence compromised the transfer. Ultimately, he lost Xavi.
yes, he got 20m. On one hand, i feel he has to know how to utilise what he got, and know where to sell/buy. No point challenging the rich A** right?
secondly, Liverpool itself is a brand name, not sure whether he leverage on that or not.
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Originally posted by iceFatboy:
well, to be fair, he did get who he wanted in Torres, not too sure about Keane, and Barry. To be fair, I feel the Barry saga got messy and hence compromised the transfer. Ultimately, he lost Xavi.
yes, he got 20m. On one hand, i feel he has to know how to utilise what he got, and know where to sell/buy. No point challenging the rich A** right?
secondly, Liverpool itself is a brand name, not sure whether he leverage on that or not.
Xavi never played for Liverpool before leh...it's Xabi lah... ;)
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Originally posted by sg_forum:
Xavi never played for Liverpool before leh...it's Xabi lah... ;)
oh ya. but I bet U wish he did!!! haha...
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Originally posted by iceFatboy:
oh ya. but I bet U wish he did!!! haha...
Yeah, a brilliant player... but haizzz, stop dreaming!! LOL -
Originally posted by iceFatboy:
well, to be fair, he did get who he wanted in Torres, not too sure about Keane, and Barry. To be fair, I feel the Barry saga got messy and hence compromised the transfer. Ultimately, he lost Xavi.
yes, he got 20m. On one hand, i feel he has to know how to utilise what he got, and know where to sell/buy. No point challenging the rich A** right?
secondly, Liverpool itself is a brand name, not sure whether he leverage on that or not.
problem is who will buy liverpool rejects? n it has been said that sale of bellamy contributed to the purchase of torres...n if u gt lousy and cheap players, most likely they r either old or rejects, so hw the hell is benitez be able to improve their technical skills and physical fitness in such a short time?
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Originally posted by charleslee:
sure...u r not wrong.. the problem is when u r given a budget abt 20 million per season n u r expected to beef up the squad, do u rather get one very gd player and get nobody else or one normal player and some squad player ? n it has been shown sometimes he's forced to gt his 2nd choice as shown in the robbie keane and gareth barry saga..
I feel your comment is a bit off... $20m isn't exactly peanuts also... I think it's his overall squad that is being questioned and how he spent the money. Its his purchased that are looking normal rather than the $$$ spent. He paid $7m for Dossena, $8m for Riera... United also paid $7m for Vidic and Evra cost $6.5m... The thing was they develop into able players while quite a large number of Rafa's purchased turn out to be bad choices...How do you put it... Its like Rafa was going all out to get Heinze when United were already trying to discard him... Here was a player United feel he cannot perform as well in the premiership already and here was Rafa fighting to pay $6, 7 million pounds for him... I think many Pool fans would probably feel happy Heinze didn't join them cos he went on to prove that in Spain with Real... their defence were leaking goals during his time there...
And I don't know how many times some Pool fans still want to believe Keane wasn't his choice as well... Do not forget it was Rafa who went on to comment about being interested in getting Keane first and forming a dream partnership with Fernando Torres at that time that got Spurs all upset and wanted to report them to the FA...
From an earlier much lower offer to Spurs, Pool eventually willing to pay the full $20m Spurs demanded, we can see how much he wanted him... And what a waste of a $20m buy just like that by not knowing how to use him.
On Barry, I think its because Rafa couldn't offload Alonso that was more the reason. He was touting him around Europe like an old car and also partly Villa were so upset with Rafa's approach of making it public that they were prepared to let Barry run down his contract and not sell him to Pool. Pool made 4 bids for Barry but O'Neill turn all down...
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why rafa is so keen to offload robbie keane so soon after buying him? keane is not a bad player much better than that voronin.
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no offense but i just find it so darn true
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Originally posted by zocoss:
I feel your comment is a bit off... $20m isn't exactly peanuts also... I think it's his overall squad that is being questioned and how he spent the money. Its his purchased that are looking normal rather than the $$$ spent. He paid $7m for Dossena, $8m for Riera... United also paid $7m for Vidic and Evra cost $6.5m... The thing was they develop into able players while quite a large number of Rafa's purchased turn out to be bad choices...How do you put it... Its like Rafa was going all out to get Heinze when United were already trying to discard him... Here was a player United feel he cannot perform as well in the premiership already and here was Rafa fighting to pay $6, 7 million pounds for him... I think many Pool fans would probably feel happy Heinze didn't join them cos he went on to prove that in Spain with Real... their defence were leaking goals during his time there...
And I don't know how many times some Pool fans still want to believe Keane wasn't his choice as well... Do not forget it was Rafa who went on to comment about being interested in getting Keane first and forming a dream partnership with Fernando Torres at that time that got Spurs all upset and wanted to report them to the FA...
From an earlier much lower offer to Spurs, Pool eventually willing to pay the full $20m Spurs demanded, we can see how much he wanted him... And what a waste of a $20m buy just like that by not knowing how to use him.
On Barry, I think its because Rafa couldn't offload Alonso that was more the reason. He was touting him around Europe like an old car and also partly Villa were so upset with Rafa's approach of making it public that they were prepared to let Barry run down his contract and not sell him to Pool. Pool made 4 bids for Barry but O'Neill turn all down...
yes, i agree that 20 million is ain't peanuts, but when u want to buy gd players, the clubs will inflat the price to give themselves a profit, so if they quote silva to be in 20 million, then wat u expect RB to do? bust the whole transfer budget on a single player?
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Originally posted by charleslee:
yes, i agree that 20 million is ain't peanuts, but when u want to buy gd players, the clubs will inflat the price to give themselves a profit, so if they quote silva to be in 20 million, then wat u expect RB to do? bust the whole transfer budget on a single player?
of course, it is never wise to put all your eggs in one basket.
but is Silva worth 20M, I think he does. I am unsure how this transfer thingy works, but I would suggest a cash offer plus players swap. What's the point of spending 5m on 4 players, when they can't contribute as well as a one 20M player?I think there is a delicate balance and the manager has to be the one holding the responsibility.
Lastly, any club will inflate the prices when they know the big fishes are interested, cause they do have to either settle some debts or get replacement players or etc. So that's common sense, already.