Rafa not impressed with "cold fish" labelled from G & T
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maybe its time for liverpool to get a motivational manager
maybe... kevin keegan.
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Originally posted by kopiosatu:
maybe its time for liverpool to get a motivational manager
maybe... kevin keegan.
Somehow the record for getting former players back as managers is not too good.
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not about motivation to me
it's about the kind players he buys and he thinks this players are "world class"
most ppl consider dirt kuyt as a good player, but for me, he's far from even being anywhere near the "good" status
lucas? dossena? Kyrgiakos? riera? itandje? Voronin? insua? degen? ngog?
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good buys to me
xabi alonso, fernando torres, mascherano, agger, yossi benayoun.
but obviously, his bad buys are doing the harm not the good buys doing the good currently
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Originally posted by charlize:
Somehow the record for getting former players back as managers is not too good.
then we need brian clough back from the dead
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not to mention also, his past shit buys
like, Florent Sinama Pongolle
and also, a few more
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Originally posted by limpper:
not about motivation to me
it's about the kind players he buys and he thinks this players are "world class"
most ppl consider dirt kuyt as a good player, but for me, he's far from even being anywhere near the "good" status
lucas? dossena? Kyrgiakos? riera? itandje? Voronin? insua? degen? ngog?
so that means he is not bringing out the best in them
like i said, average players won european cup 2 times in a row purely through motivation.
if he believes that they are world class, he certainly isn't making them play like they are.
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Originally posted by limpper:
not to mention also, his past shit buys
like, Florent Sinama Pongolle
and also, a few more
pongolle and le tallac were houllier's
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Originally posted by kopiosatu:
pongolle and le tallac were houllier's
opps,
zenden another one then
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the problem is that benitez want to micro manage everything
its like he wants to play fifa 10 or winning eleven, when he presses forward and X, the player must go forward.
i've read interviews where managers go crazy when players don't do what they are told to do (insane instructions)
one striker was threatened to be dropped by his manager when he passed the ball square to another striker when the manager told him that he must only knock the ball forward ONLY throughout the whole game.
which makes me think that the players are not lousy overnight
its the managers who restrict them and control them totally.
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Originally posted by kopiosatu:
so that means he is not bringing out the best in them
like i said, average players won european cup 2 times in a row purely through motivation.
if he believes that they are world class, he certainly isn't making them play like they are.
believing they are world class is one thing, whether they can play like world class is another.
from what i see over the years, the max those players can go is what they are doing now. and what they are doing now, is not anywhere near the world class status.
i dont even think that last season they are really that fantastic
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Originally posted by limpper:
believing they are world class is one thing, whether they can play like world class is another.
from what i see over the years, the max those players can go is what they are doing now. and what they are doing now, is not anywhere near the world class status.
i dont even think that last season they are really that fantastic
liverpool players sorely lack motivation from their manager
they don't even look happy playing football.
i'm sure with a proper manager, something good can come out from a bunch of "average" players.
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The press and the fans are forgetful people.
Imagine Ah Ben winning against Lyon at midweek.
Then he is a genius.
Even how bad Liverpool played, I will support them.
But, it pains me to see them struggle against Hull and Sunderland.
Ah Ben have been give 5 seasons to learn about BPL.
It is time to show what he is make of.
Liverpool lacks creative and game winner like ronaldo.
Ah Ben prefer puppy boys like Kuyt and Lucas.
I guess the fans can tolerate defeat if they see players playing their heart out.
Now even the players bay song Ah Ben liao.
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Rafa is a contrarian.
He just likes to do things normal managers won't do.
Like play off form players. Not playing players who are in form. Rotating players who are in form. Playing players out of their normal positions. Playing unusual formations when a normal formation will do.
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Originally posted by kopiosatu:
liverpool players sorely lack motivation from their manager
they don't even look happy playing football.
i'm sure with a proper manager, something good can come out from a bunch of "average" players.
that's one solution to solve also
but i would prefer to get rid of rafael and a few fringe players.
i think the whole team need some real good restructuring
since kuyt can raise some good money for now, i would say go ahead
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if u see a player giving his all for every game, people can tell.
its either the manager controlling too much or the players are just not interested in playing.
with benitez, i think he's controlling too much
good example is kuyt
which manager would put a player like that on the right wing? i rather he put kuyt back to be a striker with torres and let him fight for the ball so torres can pick up the pieces.
i don't blame kuyt, he still scores in international games, he played well before coming to liverpool to be dumped on the wings.
players don't get lousy overnight.
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Originally posted by Medicated Oil:
The press and the fans are forgetful people.
Imagine Ah Ben winning against Lyon at midweek.
Then he is a genius.
Even how bad Liverpool played, I will support them.
But, it pains me to see them struggle against Hull and Sunderland.
Ah Ben have been give 5 seasons to learn about BPL.
It is time to show what he is make of.
Liverpool lacks creative and game winner like ronaldo.
Ah Ben prefer puppy boys like Kuyt and Lucas.
I guess the fans can tolerate defeat if they see players playing their heart out.
Now even the players bay song Ah Ben liao.
exactly!
liverpool seriously lack of that creative spark in the middle
no creativity kind of play kills.
nah, to me, even if rafael bring back the epl title, i want him out.
best if he can bring the yanks and lucas
if still got space, i wont mind kuyt and gang to follow
i share the same statement as you
"Even how bad Liverpool played, I will support them."
but it's really frustrating for now
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if i see wenger get sacked by arsenal, that would be worse than sacking benitez
wenger has created a system there, the way arsenal play now is due to wenger. if he goes and a new fella comes in, will arsenal play the same way?
for man utd, the challenge will be the day SAF leaves the post.
for chelsea, its when roman decides to stop playing championship manager (club owner edition)
but for liverpool, the system needs a rehaul.
benitez won the UCL, with houllier's team - dudek, traore, smicer, biscan, baros, hamann... etc etc
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Originally posted by kopiosatu:
if u see a player giving his all for every game, people can tell.
its either the manager controlling too much or the players are just not interested in playing.
with benitez, i think he's controlling too much
good example is kuyt
which manager would put a player like that on the right wing? i rather he put kuyt back to be a striker with torres and let him fight for the ball so torres can pick up the pieces.
i don't blame kuyt, he still scores in international games, he played well before coming to liverpool to be dumped on the wings.
players don't get lousy overnight.
In 4 words.
Rafa thinks too much.
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Originally posted by limpper:
exactly!
liverpool seriously lack of that creative spark in the middle
no creativity kind of play kills.
nah, to me, even if rafael bring back the epl title, i want him out.
best if he can bring the yanks and lucas
if still got space, i wont mind kuyt and gang to follow
i share the same statement as you
"Even how bad Liverpool played, I will support them."
but it's really frustrating for now
benayoun can be playmaker... easily
but i won't be surprised that every dribble that benayoun makes, is an instruction from rafa
rafa just likes to micro manage... too much for the team's good
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kuyt isnt lousy, on a positive note, he's rather hardworking
but sometimes, when he run up and down the field to chase that ball, and a few simply tricks from opponent can fake him. it's rather a joke to me.
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Originally posted by charlize:
In 4 words.
Rafa thinks too much.
rafa plays too much winning eleven
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Ah Ben is famous for:
- Playing players out of position.
- Deploying formation that his players are unable to fit in.
- Sticking to hardworking ? and lousy players.
- Keep creative players out of the 1st team. (Benny is the exception)
- Tinkering. (Confuse his opponent but confuse his own players also)
- Destructing players that saved his ass (Alonso, Crouch and Keane)
- Never admiting that he is wrong.
- Telling BIG FAT Lies (Depth = 3 center-half)
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Originally posted by limpper:
kuyt isnt lousy, on a positive note, he's rather hardworking
but sometimes, when he run up and down the field to chase that ball, and a few simply tricks from opponent can fake him. it's rather a joke to me.
because, first things first, he is not a defender.
he can chase and hassle the fella, but don't expect him to tackle like maldini.
in fact, he never get more cards than paul scholes is not bad already.
kuyt is good as a hard working striker, running for everything, hassling defenders to make them cock up.
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He is a contrarian lah.
I bet if one day, every team in the EPL quit the standard 4-4-2 formation, you can be sure he will play it in every game.