Dinosaurs Death Pose: Evidence for Noah's Flood?
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Originally posted by Jacky Woo:
if i were you, I wouldnt want to bother on the type of animals. this whole thing Noah Ark is ridiculous in the first place, not to mention a blood thirsty imaginative god wants to murder the world? this whole thing is a made belief lar, invented just like fairy and superman in DC comics.
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Originally posted by alize:
An unust punishment of sinful men and sinless animals.
If this is your god's justice I want no part in it.
doesnt it sound like a cult? illogic and irrational? you bet
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Originally posted by BroInChrist:
So which of the "concerning Christians" are you referring to? Oh I see, the unnamed unknown silent majority. You mean the atheists here are not prejudiced against my views? Have you checked with Jacky and the rest? Actually no need to check also, it's plainly evident.
Progressive argument???? You really have a way of making yourself look good even after being exposed for your errors and ignorance. That the Bible teaches a Flood that lasted at least a year is something that can be verified from Scripture, if you bothered to read it diligently and intelligently. Probably a reflection of stiff-neckedness?
Nope. Did not see the video on tree rings. You hardly reciprocate on the things I ask you to see or read anyway. But the point is, and you haven't answered me, how does tree rings tell you about the history of the world? It is simplistic to count rings and think you are counting age one ring at a time. See http://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=9&article=464
"So which of the "concerning Christians" are you referring to? Oh I see, the unnamed unknown silent majority. You mean the atheists here are not prejudiced against my views? Have you checked with Jacky and the rest? Actually no need to check also, it's plainly evident."
... Assumptions.... Let you be the way you are.
"Progressive argument???? You really have a way of making yourself look good even after being exposed for your errors and ignorance. That the Bible teaches a Flood that lasted at least a year is something that can be verified from Scripture, if you bothered to read it diligently and intelligently. Probably a reflection of stiff-neckedness?"
Of course you can stay prejudiced...
"Nope. Did not see the video on tree rings. You hardly reciprocate on the things I ask you to see or read anyway. But the point is, and you haven't answered me, how does tree rings tell you about the history of the world? It is simplistic to count rings and think you are counting age one ring at a time. Seehttp://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=9&article=464"
I told you I read what you linked. The "how" is in the video but your prejudice is stopping you. Or is it solipsism.... What was the point of that link? It does not prove otherwise that the tree rings showed the minimum age of the earth...
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Originally posted by Aneslayer:
"So which of the "concerning Christians" are you referring to? Oh I see, the unnamed unknown silent majority. You mean the atheists here are not prejudiced against my views? Have you checked with Jacky and the rest? Actually no need to check also, it's plainly evident."
... Assumptions.... Let you be the way you are.
"Progressive argument???? You really have a way of making yourself look good even after being exposed for your errors and ignorance. That the Bible teaches a Flood that lasted at least a year is something that can be verified from Scripture, if you bothered to read it diligently and intelligently. Probably a reflection of stiff-neckedness?"
Of course you can stay prejudiced...
"Nope. Did not see the video on tree rings. You hardly reciprocate on the things I ask you to see or read anyway. But the point is, and you haven't answered me, how does tree rings tell you about the history of the world? It is simplistic to count rings and think you are counting age one ring at a time. Seehttp://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=9&article=464"
I told you I read what you linked. The "how" is in the video but your prejudice is stopping you. Or is it solipsism.... What was the point of that link? It does not prove otherwise that the tree rings showed the minimum age of the earth...
Cut long story short, if you think merely counting tree rings can tell you the history of the earth you must be seriously deluded. Ignoring creationist arguments do not prove the validity of your own evolutionary beliefs. -
Originally posted by BroInChrist:
Cut long story short, if you think merely counting tree rings can tell you the history of the earth you must be seriously deluded. Ignoring creationist arguments do not prove the validity of your own evolutionary beliefs.
Exactly like you said... Those are only arguments, not evidences. Correction for your benefit and the discussion:Tree rings study has nothing to do with evolution... Either its correct as evidence or not. Still waiting for a logical argument from you.
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It was still an indiscriminate and vicious mass killing. You have not addressed this.
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Originally posted by Aneslayer:
"So which of the "concerning Christians" are you referring to? Oh I see, the unnamed unknown silent majority. You mean the atheists here are not prejudiced against my views? Have you checked with Jacky and the rest? Actually no need to check also, it's plainly evident."
... Assumptions.... Let you be the way you are.
"Progressive argument???? You really have a way of making yourself look good even after being exposed for your errors and ignorance. That the Bible teaches a Flood that lasted at least a year is something that can be verified from Scripture, if you bothered to read it diligently and intelligently. Probably a reflection of stiff-neckedness?"
Of course you can stay prejudiced...
"Nope. Did not see the video on tree rings. You hardly reciprocate on the things I ask you to see or read anyway. But the point is, and you haven't answered me, how does tree rings tell you about the history of the world? It is simplistic to count rings and think you are counting age one ring at a time. Seehttp://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=9&article=464"
I told you I read what you linked. The "how" is in the video but your prejudice is stopping you. Or is it solipsism.... What was the point of that link? It does not prove otherwise that the tree rings showed the minimum age of the earth...
Is your prejudice also stopping you from reading the links I provided?
Any age you think you can get from counting tree rings are based on ASSUMPTIONS made about how and what the rings meant and the rate of growth of such rings and also about conditions in the past. See also http://creation.com/swedish-trees-older-than-the-universe
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Originally posted by Aneslayer:
Exactly like you said... Those are only arguments, not evidences. Correction for your benefit and the discussion:Tree rings study has nothing to do with evolution... Either its correct as evidence or not. Still waiting for a logical argument from you.
Oh, then I just say that I have presented arguments AND evidences loh. Why take it as though it is either/or? Duh...
I never said tree rings has anything to do with evolution, did I? It was YOU who claimed that tree rings can tell us what happened in the history of the earth. I have yet to hear from you on that.
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Originally posted by alize:
An unust punishment of sinful men and sinless animals.
If this is your god's justice I want no part in it.
On what basis do you say it is unjust punishment of sinful men? As to animals, please do not confuse the issues. Animals do not sin as they are not created in God's image.
You want no part in God's justice? Too bad, we will all stand before God, whether you like it or not.
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Originally posted by laffin123:
Who told you that it were dogs and wolves ?
Did you even read? The ancestor kind of dogs today is most likely a wolf-like animal. See also http://creation.com/is-it-theoretically-possible-for-wolves-to-give-birth-to-a-poodle
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Originally posted by Jacky Woo:
if i were you, I wouldnt want to bother on the type of animals. this whole thing Noah Ark is ridiculous in the first place, not to mention a blood thirsty imaginative god wants to murder the world? this whole thing is a made belief lar, invented just like fairy and superman in DC comics.
Fallacy of cavalier dismissal spotted!
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Originally posted by BroInChrist:
Is your prejudice also stopping you from reading the links I provided?
Any age you think you can get from counting tree rings are based on ASSUMPTIONS made about how and what the rings meant and the rate of growth of such rings and also about conditions in the past. See also http://creation.com/swedish-trees-older-than-the-universe
Oh... I thought I told you I read your links? Still don't believe me? The link above commits a strawman. The tree in your link was not used in sampling and dating for the anchored chronology, and its age was not determined by trees rings. Misinterpretations much? Did not disprove the tree ring method....
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Originally posted by BroInChrist:
Oh, then I just say that I have presented arguments AND evidences loh. Why take it as though it is either/or? Duh...
I never said tree rings has anything to do with evolution, did I? It was YOU who claimed that tree rings can tell us what happened in the history of the earth. I have yet to hear from you on that.
Well I was deconstructing your construction of a strawman... AHA! You didn't see the educational video I linked previously. Or read anything about dendrochronology.... Yay for appeal to hypocrisy. I repeat, I read your links. Just couldn't stand the stench of fallacies in them.
Choose the correct definition below:
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Originally posted by Aneslayer:
Oh... I thought I told you I read your links? Still don't believe me? The link above commits a strawman. The tree in your link was not used in sampling and dating for the anchored chronology, and its age was not determined by trees rings. Misinterpretations much? Did not disprove the tree ring method....
You missed the point still, because you don't read the links. The issue is about the ASSUMPTIONS inherent in all dating methodology. It is not about disproving the tree ring method, but about being aware of the assumptions one brings to it.
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Originally posted by Aneslayer:
Well I was deconstructing your construction of a strawman... AHA! You didn't see the educational video I linked previously. Or read anything about dendrochronology.... Yay for appeal to hypocrisy. I repeat, I read your links. Just couldn't stand the stench of fallacies in them.
Nope, I didn't see your video, but that's different from not reading anything about it. Anyhow accuse again? Of course, the challenge is on you to showcase the fallacies in my links. Allegations are cheap.
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Originally posted by BroInChrist:
On what basis do you say it is unjust punishment of sinful men? As to animals, please do not confuse the issues. Animals do not sin as they are not created in God's image.
You want no part in God's justice? Too bad, we will all stand before God, whether you like it or not.
I said animals are sinless. Why should God kill them?
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Originally posted by BroInChrist:It is irrational to speak of animals being sinless.
The land animals were killed alongside with the rest of sinful humanity, save those which were on the Ark. It shows that sin affects everything. The fossils that we see is a stark reminder of God's judgement on sin. Your concern should be more on the condition of man, rather than the animals. To focus on the animals is to miss the whole point.
First you said animals are sinless. Now you say God exercised his judgment and killed them just because "man's sin affects everything".
I am shocked you so readily admit the ludicrity and how ridiculous your God is.
Even more so the concept that he is a good and just God. Even if he exists, how are we to believe he is fair and keeps to his promises not to let us burn in hell?
Even if you say God exists, you can't answer this question if you have not died before.
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Originally posted by BroInChrist:
You missed the point still, because you don't read the links. The issue is about the ASSUMPTIONS inherent in all dating methodology. It is not about disproving the tree ring method, but about being aware of the assumptions one brings to it.
The argument is still about tree rings straight forward. Not other dating methods, which I agree they have their limitations. Still waiting for a logical argument against tree rings....
Instead of arguing logically, you had to resort to red herring, appeal to spite(failed, neh neh) and inconsistent comparison.... Shame on you. -
Originally posted by BroInChrist:
Nope, I didn't see your video, but that's different from not reading anything about it. Anyhow accuse again? Of course, the challenge is on you to showcase the fallacies in my links. Allegations are cheap.
You read about it? Apparently only from the creationist's approved list of science books... cause you displayed misconception of the scientific method...
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Originally posted by alize:
I said animals are sinless. Why should God kill them?
It is irrational to speak of animals being sinless.
The land animals were killed alongside with the rest of sinful humanity, save those which were on the Ark. It shows that sin affects everything. The fossils that we see is a stark reminder of God's judgement on sin. Your concern should be more on the condition of man, rather than the animals. To focus on the animals is to miss the whole point.
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Originally posted by Aneslayer:
You read about it? Apparently only from the creationist's approved list of science books... cause you displayed misconception of the scientific method...
Genetic fallacy spotted.
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Originally posted by BroInChrist:
Genetic fallacy spotted.
Proven by your current lack of understanding of the subject, not by your origin. Learnurfallacies right... *facepalm*
Genetic fallacy – where a conclusion is suggested based solely on something or someone's origin rather than its current meaning or context.