Circle Line Stages 1 & 2
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Since DTL1 is under KCD, so how will the trains go to DTL1 from KCD and vice versa, if there's no connection from CCL? DTL3 hasn't started construction!
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Originally posted by sbs&tibs:
Since DTL1 is under KCD, so how will the trains go to DTL1 from KCD and vice versa, if there's no connection from CCL? DTL3 hasn't started construction!
when the CCL Extension to Marina Bay is built, a small maintenance facility will be built in the area as well to serve DTL1 trains as they begin operations. this should be under questions thread though.
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Originally posted by deskoh91:
when the CCL Extension to Marina Bay is built, a small maintenance facility will be built in the area as well to serve DTL1 trains as they begin operations. this should be under questions thread though.
so just to check, when is the estimated completion of CCLe and DTL1? -
Originally posted by sbs&tibs:
so just to check, when is the estimated completion of CCLe and DTL1?CCLe by 2012 and DTL1 by 2013.
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Originally posted by deskoh91:
when the CCL Extension to Marina Bay is built, a small maintenance facility will be built in the area as well to serve DTL1 trains as they begin operations. this should be under questions thread though.
Even so, how do they deliver the trains to Marina Bay in the first place?
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Originally posted by Samuel Lee:
Even so, how do they deliver the trains to Marina Bay in the first place?
just like how they delivered NEL and CCL trains, car by car via trailer into the depot.
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Originally posted by deskoh91:
just like how they delivered NEL and CCL trains, car by car via trailer into the depot.
I think Samuel Lee means that, since the line is running between Chinatown and Bugis, how will they get the trains from Kim Chuan Depot to the line?
Will they put maybe 5 trainsets there to run until they get the link up to Kim Chuan?
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Originally posted by NickLim™:
I think Samuel Lee means that, since the line is running between Chinatown and Bugis, how will they get the trains from Kim Chuan Depot to the line?
Will they put maybe 5 trainsets there to run until they get the link up to Kim Chuan?
yes. Kim Chuan will not serve DTL till DTL3 is up and running. DTL MRB depot will be supplemented by Gali Batu when DTL2 runs.
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time to clear a little air on the DTL speculation a bit, highly likely DTL line will be under the present lower platform. as for the extension..it remains unknown.
btw, i think many of you have forgotten something on the trains, for the C830s and the DTL trains, both would likely be able to run on the same track. but at present this is already done on the NSEW line for a long time already, i think i have to remind some here any reason why a a kawasaki train or a seimens train need a different track?? the answer is obvious-no.
so kinda put it into simple- the DTL trains could run in combo with the CCL trains, just like the kawasaki and seimens trains running in NSEW now.
a likely sceneario is MRB will temp house the DTL trains when DTL 1 is operational but when DTL:2 is still undergoing construction, it might also serve as a terminus for the CCL trains for a possiable shuttle service from Promenade to MRB.
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Originally posted by NickLim™:
Nope. My guess is that the tracks will be fitted in just before they open Stage 6 to have a Dhoby Ghaut - Somewhere shuttle. Not sure about the layout of Marina Bay and Bayfront so can't comment yet. Before that, it will be a Promenade - Marina Bay shuttle.
it is unlikey to hold a doby ghaut to Promenade or marina bay shuttle, based on you experiance on the discovery, pls note the angle turn of the train and the tunnel near it, to do so the train would have to almost bend to a near 90 degrees at that intersection. a a Promenade - Marina Bay shuttle would be the most likely outcome , it would be better that way too.
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Originally posted by Annilator47:
it is unlikey to hold a doby ghaut to Promenade or marina bay shuttle, based on you experiance on the discovery, pls note the angle turn of the train and the tunnel near it, to do so the train would have to almost bend to a near 90 degrees at that intersection. a a Promenade - Marina Bay shuttle would be the most likely outcome , it would be better that way too.
Red: Isn't that what I said? But Dhoby Ghaut to Marina Bay may pop up once the Circle Line becmoes a full circle. There already is provision for a right turn from Esplanade to Bayfront, and a left turn from Bayfront to Esplanade.
Blue: Between Promenade and Esplanade stations, the bend is actually slightly more than 95 degrees. The curve is okay, you only need to think of the train's maximum turning radius, which requires the calculation of the turning angle of the bogie, coupler and the radius of the centre point of the circle to the circumference which is the track.
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Originally posted by NickLim™:
I think Samuel Lee means that, since the line is running between Chinatown and Bugis, how will they get the trains from Kim Chuan Depot to the line?
Will they put maybe 5 trainsets there to run until they get the link up to Kim Chuan?
Yes, you have understood my question.
If the line ply between Changi Point to Marina Bay, I would believe that they can use a trailer to put the train into the overrun sectors in Changi Point by digging an extreme big hole to do so. But please, Chinatown to Bugis? Where got place to house the big trailer and etc to put the trains into either overrun?
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Is that tunnel at Promenade used for future MRB IR spur line until DTL is up and ready?
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Edited~
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Originally posted by Samuel Lee:
Yes, you have understood my question.
If the line ply between Changi Point to Marina Bay, I would believe that they can use a trailer to put the train into the overrun sectors in Changi Point by digging an extreme big hole to do so. But please, Chinatown to Bugis? Where got place to house the big trailer and etc to put the trains into either overrun?
firslty the trains is likely to be in 3 segments so it could be ship in segment by segmentnext for it to run from bugis to chinatown as mentioned marina bay would act as a temp depot for it which is why the CCLe have to be completed first before DTL 1 project since it also includes the technical facilities there, i suspect the DTL linking tracks would start off from there but only start like KCD style where 1 side goes to taiseng while the other side goes to bartley, in this case it's bayfront or downtown.
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Originally posted by TIB1224Y:
Do continue discussion here from your experience at the CCL Stage 2 Discovery. Photos and video links, feel free to add them to the discussion. Keep out of legal matter though, thanks for your cooperation~!
Er, there is a thread called CCL Discovery 4th April, so whatever above should belong to that thread.
BTW, it is not eactly possible for the Bombardier Movia C951 to run on CCL, because they will have Active route map info installed, that will only be on DTL, while C830s will have the CCL map only. So unless there is a solution to that, I still feel its not possible yet. There may be some compatibility problems too.
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Countdown to CCL 1 and 2 Open
10 days more!!btw anyone know when does CCL1 and 2 operating? (what time)www.thec751blovur.webs.com
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Originally posted by c751bLoVuR:
Countdown to CCL 1 and 2 Open
10 days more!!btw anyone know when does CCL1 and 2 operating? (what time)www.thec751blovur.webs.com
It should be just like any other station. At normal time, since it would be on passenger service.
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Originally posted by deskoh91:
the currently unused platforms seem to be able to lead to Bayfront and Marina Bay if third rail and track is installed. this isnt confirmed and only rough estimation based on angle and it is still a dead-end right now anyway.
these unused platforms were however originally designed for Bukit Timah Line though so it is now anyone's guess whether it will lead to MRB (and eventually full circle via CCL6) or adapted for a future line use.
but i have the feeling that the buffer found at promenade is the track to harbourfront to complete the circle (stage 6)then there will be dhoby ghaut-promenade shuttle (though it doesnt make sense since there's NEL 's dhoby ghaut-Harbourfront)
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Originally posted by Annilator47:
firslty the trains is likely to be in 3 segments so it could be ship in segment by segmentnext for it to run from bugis to chinatown as mentioned marina bay would act as a temp depot for it which is why the CCLe have to be completed first before DTL 1 project since it also includes the technical facilities there, i suspect the DTL linking tracks would start off from there but only start like KCD style where 1 side goes to taiseng while the other side goes to bartley, in this case it's bayfront or downtown.
I see, thanks for the clarification.
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Originally posted by deskoh91:
yes it seemed able to lead to CCLe, except it kind of doesnt make sense since the provisional tunnel looked like it is coming from an angle and not straight. but again I didnt manage to get a very close scrutiny on it thus I said I am not too sure.
IIRC Nicoll Highway is supposed to be Bukit Timah Line (DTL2) terminus and Promenade to serve Circle Line Downtown Extension (DTL1). so you are sorta right about the "cramming". it is also the cause of the uncertainty right now.
EDIT: after a little thought, the angle of the tunnel is just too weird. I suppose it is really part of some older plans. it doesnt even fit into the schematic below.
I got this off LTA's website, DTL section.
If this plan is not editted, the siding leads to DTL. How now?
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Originally posted by NickLim™:
I got this off LTA's website, DTL section.
If this plan is not editted, the siding leads to DTL. How now?
Can't be bah.Like that means the unopened platform was long planned to be abandoned. :(
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I've never took the CCL before. So, I'm giving it a try next saturday.
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Originally posted by sbs&tibs:
Can't be bah.Like that means the unopened platform was long planned to be abandoned. :(
High chance. Coz they do not want a modification project to Promendae, which I feel what the heck they buy a track without slanted X crossover when approaching to a junction of the other platforms. And seriously, Jurong East got their modification project after 21 years (1988 operational - 2009) or about 13 years, if you counted only from Full line NSL and exclude the era of Branch Line (1996 - 2009)
And given that the CCLe opening date is at 2012, and CCL opens at 2010, there is only a gap of 2 years, which is simply too short to change the tracks already.
So I believe the 2 platforms has 3.5 possibilites of fate:
1: CCLe, but that will render my above theory wrong
2: Abandoned, but why they would use wooden planks instead of a concrete wall?
3: Used for a future line, but not DTL. If that is going to happen, then, chances are, the track towards Bayfront is a dead end becoz there wont be a overrun which will need to make a junction. I doubt the feasibility to do so given that the terminus are usually given a great length of overrun in case of emergency / train faults. (Unless they are going to have a modification project -- Hell, why dont they use it for DTL NOW!? This is what I meant an additional 0.5 possibility)
PS: DTL is confirmed to have a new station and new platforms, just like Outram Park or Dhoby Ghaut. It cannot be a Raffles Place or City Hall in any case.
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Also, my personal opinion (Due to lack of facts given out) is that IF the 1st possibility of the above post is proven Wrong (And my theory of JEMP time gap is correct), then, the Extension line will come into these possiblities:
1: Through line between Marina Bay - Harbourfront (But the amount of trains to handle Peak Hours can be an issue)
2: Marina Bay - Stadium / Mountbatten Shuttle train. If the train terminates at Stadium, then it will be like Yishun peak hour train. If the train terminates at Mountbatten, then the train from Stadium, will crossover to the slidings heading towards Mountbatten before approaching Mountbatten station in the face of towards Dakota and terminate there. Then, the train will "switch side" just like any terminus, and proceed back to Marina Bay via Stadium as per normal.