Are Singles Being Deprived In Singapore ? ?
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Rather than view institutions like the SDU as seeking to achieve an underlying govt purpose (which I do not deny), it would be much more beneficial for people to just take it prima facie.
Singaporeans don't know how lucky they are - to have the govt help them seek a soul mate in urban Singapore.
Singaporean singles complain about having too much work - until they cannot go out and "pah-tor" - but when the govt steps in to provide a supporting arm, Singaporean singles quickly divert the argument to that "the-govt-do-this-just-to-have-more-babies". Even worse, go an attach all sorts of stigma/uncalled notions regarding the institution.
FYI: I did not meet my gf in SDU - I probably do not even qualify for it (age bar) but I do know a thing or two about being objective and appreciating what has been done, and what is being done. -
And that tax is returned when you get married and receive YOUR subsidy.Originally posted by dragg:please dont forget that singles pay tax too.
it is ok to subsidized married people but not singles???!!
If you don't get married what is there to complain? You don't pay for the heaps of misc attachments with marriage - e.g. education/divorce blah blah blah the list goes on and on.
You could also arguably make use of "your-tax" as a single and attempt to meet a partner at SDU - it's an active choice that is exercised passively. -
not everyone is fortunate to meet someone who they wanna share the rest of their life with. -
Criticisms will come at any thing you do. As long as the end results serve the purpose, why bother? In a society that graciousness is a rare commodity, do not expect appreciative remarks. Did I say this is also a $15,000/month problem?Originally posted by rmyfrm:Rather than view institutions like the SDU as seeking to achieve an underlying govt purpose (which I do not deny), it would be much more beneficial for people to just take it prima facie.
Singaporeans don't know how lucky they are - to have the govt help them seek a soul mate in urban Singapore.
Singaporean singles complain about having too much work - until they cannot go out and "pah-tor" - but when the govt steps in to provide a supporting arm, Singaporean singles quickly divert the argument to that "the-govt-do-this-just-to-have-more-babies". Even worse, go an attach all sorts of stigma/uncalled notions regarding the institution.
FYI: I did not meet my gf in SDU - I probably do not even qualify for it (age bar) but I do know a thing or two about being objective and appreciating what has been done, and what is being done.
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Well observed indeedOriginally posted by fishiotherapy:Criticisms will come at any thing you do. As long as the end results serve the purpose, why bother? In a society that graciousness is a rare commodity, do not expect appreciative remarks. Did I say this is also a $15,000/month problem? 
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As the society has changed, Singlehood is not so much by choice these days, but by chance for whatever reasons.
I don't agree that Singles don't deserve a space for themselves. Also, this is not a whole "Want" issue, but often a "Need" issue.
Parents might chose to live with their married children, to take care of their grandchildren. These days, HDB are getting smaller and smaller, where are you going to stay ? ?
What about Parental Abuse ? ?
Even an orphange, without any sibling, are not entitle to direct HDB flat ! !
Not every single earn lots of money, most barely earn enough to survive. That is why, many spend most of their time working, struggling to make ends meet. Yet, we still need to pay extra for a basic roof over our head ? ?
Why should we be discriminated & deprived from many issues, which were set years ago. Gahment keep arguing Singaporeans to chance our mindset to catch up with an ever changing society, why are they doing it in the first place ? ? -
"the economy" has been used too many times as an excuse...
so, tell me.. which part of the altar of "the economy" does basic humanity get its throat slit as a bloody sacrifice, then burnt as a holocaust?
maybe being the altar of "the economy", the burnt remains are then rendered down for phosphates and nitrates while the rest are used as landfill...
well, where does this single dude fit in a country where he tries to make his home, does his work, pays his taxes, tries to find someone to love and loves him back but fails?
nevermind.. just tax him more right?
oh well.. not like he's adding to the problem of overpopulation anyway... or he's a FT or whatever.. can take advantage of him and squeeze him dry...
housing is for those who are married and the hell with those who aren't?
sometimes, i wonder... but after a while, i give up wondering... with those who refuse to listen in power, to those who are totally out of touch with reality running the country, we're just fodder that that abovementioned altar anyway.. -
I still need a man to keep my flat.
Any volunteers?
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where's av?Originally posted by viciouskitty74:I still need a man to keep my flat.
Any volunteers? -
Serious ah?Originally posted by viciouskitty74:I still need a man to keep my flat.
Any volunteers? 
Should describe the requirements
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Originally posted by the Bear:where's av?
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actualyl what makes you so sure the singles remain so because they cannot bear to give up their freedom?Originally posted by rmyfrm:I understand this position very well. I have alot of sympathy for single moms - whether widowed/divorced/out-of-marriage pregnancy etc. It is actually this issue which constantly reminds me why Singapore needs to develop a practice of equitable discretion.
Singles - nah not really - objectively speaking, in all fairness, why should the govt be subsidizing your want of freedom. You don't have many liabilities/dependents - and you shouldn't - a large credit card bill on your part should not be offset by cheaper housing from the govt.
Families learn to survive on whatever they can afford. If you cannot live within your means as an individual, don't expect govt to use tax payers money to help you do so.
singles have dependents and liabilities too, parents study debts, etc. in any case note that the requirment is marraige not presence of liabilities or dependents.
singles need a house to stay too and they deserve to get one. why disadvantage them when they have the same need and pay the same penalties?
In fact if anything its even harder for singles to pay for the house and thus they need the subsidizes even more( lets not talk about whether its really a subsidy)
If you cannot survive or barely survive on your means, why should the governement use your money to give to others who can survive. -
Must be rich, single, fatty & above the age of 30s.Originally posted by maggot:Serious ah?
Should describe the requirements -
I have no idea what you're going on about haha, correct me if I'm wrong, but you're saying that single moms cannot give up their freedom or something? and your later points don't make sense to me ~ but in any case, here goes again:Originally posted by hisoka:actualyl what makes you so sure the singles remain so because they cannot bear to give up their freedom?
singles have dependents and liabilities too, parents study debts, etc. in any case note that the requirment is marraige not presence of liabilities or dependents.
singles need a house to stay too and they deserve to get one. why disadvantage them when they have the same need and pay the same penalties?
In fact if anything its even harder for singles to pay for the house and thus they need the subsidizes even more( lets not talk about whether its really a subsidy)
If you cannot survive or barely survive on your means, why should the governement use your money to give to others who can survive.
My stance towards single parents is that because of the additional burden of dependents, they should be entitled to subsidy in the form of housing. Raising kids alone is hard enough, and much harder when you have to pay for two on the income of one.
Tax that singles pay will ultimately be returned when they do get married and receive a subsidy. Further, while they remain single - rather than not seek out a soulmate (hey no free lunch in the world, especially not one delivered right to your door), they could make use of SDU services (which is again funded by the taxes they pay). If the choice to remain single is because he/she enjoys the freedom blah blah blah, then again, no reason why govt should subsidize when, let me stress, that person would have less to pay than most.
Single parents pay for their taxes, but they have the additional burden of dependents. Singles on the other hand .. I don't see how you can possibly consciously say "singles have it harder" - like HOW !? distinguish between single parents with a one income, two mouths to feed + all the misc. expenses of having a kid blah blah blah.
I recognise that singles have liabilities (study debt etc) as well, but that pales in comparison to most single parents/snr citizens etc. - they have the same as you do (in different forms) plus the additional liabilities that you will never have.
Alot of examples quoted by the other forumers go to the extremes of Singapore (e.g. falling out with parents). Which is why I acknowledge there must be some discretion in granting relief. But the general consensus should, and should always be, that singles do not DESERVE as much relief as single parents or others more needy.
I believe you'll be hard pressed to find reasons why singles deserve a housing subsidy more than parents/families/senior citizens.
On a final note, as you said, "If you cannot survive or barely survive on your means, why should the governement use your money to give to others who can survive" - two things:
1) The govt is not giving money to those who can survive - I don't know how you ever came to the conclusion that single parents/snr citizens are more adapt at "surviving" than you, as a young single.
2) If you can barely survive on your income right now, do not live beyond your means and want to move out. You will go bankrupt. -
Don't you remember the case of a local talent who sources for FTs who's willing to get married many times just for immigration???
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Originally posted by NotFromVenus:Don't you remember the case of a local talent who sources for FTs who's willing to get married many times just for immigration??? Hey speaking of which, two years back I received a call from some guy asking me if I was interested in registering marriage with some viet girls, $10k - then after dunno how long get divorce and I get to keep the $10k
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Was it a Government owned Agency?Originally posted by rmyfrm: Hey speaking of which, two years back I received a call from some guy asking me if I was interested in registering marriage with some viet girls, $10k - then after dunno how long get divorce and I get to keep the $10k -
Yah.....I even started the joke:Originally posted by NotFromVenus:Don't you remember the case of a local talent who sources for FTs who's willing to get married many times just for immigration???
Next time you see me, I will be Mrs KaNaSaiLaU.
The funniest ironies when you are at your wits end. Only till you have been to that end, then you kinda also know how to pity others who are doing it, for different reasons from yours.
But still, doing it. -
No. I do not see Singles as being deprived in Singapore.
Please lah, if you cannot afford your own private living space and need government supplement.....thats deprivation?????
I see single mothers not receiving the help as deprivation. Cos there is a child/children involved. -
I'm not rich.Originally posted by viciouskitty74:Must be rich, single, fatty & above the age of 30s.
Next better player! -
i've got nothing against the single mothers though why you never included single fathers might be a problem.Originally posted by rmyfrm:I have no idea what you're going on about haha, correct me if I'm wrong, but you're saying that single moms cannot give up their freedom or something? and your later points don't make sense to me ~ but in any case, here goes again:
My stance towards single parents is that because of the additional burden of dependents, they should be entitled to subsidy in the form of housing. Raising kids alone is hard enough, and much harder when you have to pay for two on the income of one.
Tax that singles pay will ultimately be returned when they do get married and receive a subsidy. Further, while they remain single - rather than not seek out a soulmate (hey no free lunch in the world, especially not one delivered right to your door), they could make use of SDU services (which is again funded by the taxes they pay). If the choice to remain single is because he/she enjoys the freedom blah blah blah, then again, no reason why govt should subsidize when, let me stress, that person would have less to pay than most.
Single parents pay for their taxes, but they have the additional burden of dependents. Singles on the other hand .. I don't see how you can possibly consciously say "singles have it harder" - like HOW !? distinguish between single parents with a one income, two mouths to feed + all the misc. expenses of having a kid blah blah blah.
I recognise that singles have liabilities (study debt etc) as well, but that pales in comparison to most single parents/snr citizens etc. - they have the same as you do (in different forms) plus the additional liabilities that you will never have.
Alot of examples quoted by the other forumers go to the extremes of Singapore (e.g. falling out with parents). Which is why I acknowledge there must be some discretion in granting relief. But the general consensus should, and should always be, that singles do not DESERVE as much relief as single parents or others more needy.
I believe you'll be hard pressed to find reasons why singles deserve a housing subsidy more than parents/families/senior citizens.
On a final note, as you said, "If you cannot survive or barely survive on your means, why should the governement use your money to give to others who can survive" - two things:
1) The govt is not giving money to those who can survive - I don't know how you ever came to the conclusion that single parents/snr citizens are more adapt at "surviving" than you, as a young single.
2) If you can barely survive on your income right now, do not live beyond your means and want to move out. You will go bankrupt.
your slant is all wrong i never argued that the single parents senior citizen do not deserve it. i'm just arguing that the single deserve it too.
your taxes paiid will be returned is just nonsense. if thats the case its a matter of holding the money ransom and i wouldn't find that to be a good idea too. you really think singles can find soulmates easily and surely thru sdu etc? i would beg to differ; so what about those who can't find one?
i said singles have it even harder paying for a house than couples/married pple. if anythign else the couple has an option of an additional income on the same house( note that the requirement is marraige not pple with liabilities or dependents)
you want reasons why singles may need the houses more? lets see, what about singles will use the houses longer than the elderly so it may be more beneficial to give it to them? or maybe because the as stated earlier the couple/family is more able to fund house buying due to a double income which means more extra money can be pooled? there are definitely reasons to be had.
similarly if the family can barely survive then don't get a house?? -
Oops! Somebody is barking at the wrong tree....
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Someone argue about finding a seoulmate through SDU. Don't forget, SDU is only for the U Grad. If you are one, you can simply afford a house by yourself ! !
Also, even through all these "Match Making", there is no 100% you can find a seoulmate. Do you get married for the sake of marriage, or what ? ?
Are all these the common mistakes & causes that contributed and drives the divorce rate & family violent up ? ? -
I thought SDU and SDS merged liao? Or are they still separate unitsOriginally posted by Dounut:Someone argue about finding a seoulmate through SDU. Don't forget, SDU is only for the U Grad. If you are one, you can simply afford a house by yourself ! !
Also, even through all these "Match Making", there is no 100% you can find a seoulmate. Do you get married for the sake of marriage, or what ? ?
Are all these the common mistakes & causes that contributed and drives the divorce rate & family violent up ? ? 
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Haha on the topic of SDU .... the human factor (or luck, fate whatever you call it) plays such a big part in marriage, doesn't mean that if you put in resources + make the effort == guarantee success !
When it comes to singles and property, I think they should be given level playing field. Extra subsidies need not be given, but there shouldn't be so many barriers to owning e.g.age limit.