Human never physically die
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Let say you are watching a monster movie, in the movie there is a monster disturbing people and all the people trying to kill the monster. They cut it into half and the monster growth become 2 monsters. They burn it with fire, the monster turn itself to stronger monster which do not affraid of fire. The try to boom it to millions of small pieces, the little pieces growth back to millions of monster. At this time, people will conclude that the monster can not be kill and never die.
From virus point of view, it will be same goes to human that human never die, no matter how many they kill, human still exist and growth stronger. -
U r trying to say human being never get extinct or wat ? Human race is not extinct yet doesn't means no man die ! U never attend funeral or see peole dying ? Is your great great great grandfather still living ? Medically, if a person is brain dead, he is considered dead. I don't know why do u think it to be so complex... -
But you and me still live... we are human right?Originally posted by stupidissmart:
U r trying to say human being never get extinct or wat ? Human race is not extinct yet doesn't means no man die ! U never attend funeral or see peole dying ? Is your great great great grandfather still living ? Medically, if a person is brain dead, he is considered dead. I don't know why do u think it to be so complex...
I said Human never physically die, I didn't said will not die. "Never" mean not happened before. -
But you and me still live... we are human right?
So u r trying to say only u and me r humans lah ? Your great great great grandfather is not a human ? He had died before isn't it. Note the past tense used. It had happened, and in tis world it happened about 800 times a second.
I said Human never physically die, I didn't said will not die. "Never" mean not happened before.
Frankly tis is really a dumb argument... -
Originally posted by burntan:
Let say you are watching a monster movie, in the movie there is a monster disturbing people and all the people trying to kill the monster. They cut it into half and the monster growth become 2 monsters. They burn it with fire, the monster turn itself to stronger monster which do not affraid of fire. The try to boom it to millions of small pieces, the little pieces growth back to millions of monster. At this time, people will conclude that the monster can not be kill and never die.
From virus point of view, it will be same goes to human that human never die, no matter how many they kill, human still exist and growth stronger.But you and me still live... we are human right?
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I said Human never physically die, I didn't said will not die. "Never" mean not happened before. -
For SIS and An Eternal Now...
My advice here is.. you don't need to shout and scold people here to prove your points. Just calm down and relax, no need to do personal attack. -
The fact remain that human still alive....Originally posted by stupidissmart:So u r trying to say only u and me r humans lah ? Your great great great grandfather is not a human ? He had died before isn't it. Note the past tense used. It had happened, and in tis world it happened about 800 times a second.
Frankly tis is really a dumb argument... -
Originally posted by An Eternal Now:
you yourself is underaged for Christ sake
[b]UNDERAGED USER ALERT[/b] -
The fact remain that human still alive....
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I don't know why r u so stubborn in tis but frankly... the more u talk about tis the more dumb u look... I am gonna be very very very blunt here...
First there is something very wrong with your definition. From the dictionary,
die = To cease living; become dead; expire
THEREFORE, men DO die. U can go to hospital and see people DEAD. U can go to the void deck below HDB and see people DEAD. U can even go and watch a movie and they protray people DEAD. DEATH is very real ! Is your great great grandfather alive ? Is dinosaurs alive ?
U hit a cokraoch and it die. It cease living, it won't move and won't breath anymore. However there r still other cockroaches around. So u r going to tell me the cockroach u hit is not dead because other cockroaches r alive ? Doctors classified death as brain dead, u gonna tell them they r wrong ? U r gonna tell us your great great grandpa is alive and u r gonna bring him back home to rest ? Why r u so unfillial and bury your living great great reat grandfather ? U should bring him home and see him rot isn't it ?
Frankly, Human DIE. But they don't EXTINCT !! There r some people alive, BUT there r many more who r DEAD. DEAD with a capital D.E.A.D. Men DIE physically, and there r about 800 death per second in this world. Adam is dead, moses is dead and Jesus is also physically dead ! Do u know wat u r talking about ?!!?
If u r talking about extinction, then I really see little point in tis thread. Pigs don't extinct ! COckroach don't extinct ! Millions of animals don't extinct ! Why r u telling us something we all know ? -
Hmm, mabbe both sides are not in the same frequency
I also dont understand.
So humans still live becoz
a) his soul still remain? either in heaven or hell?
b) human as a race and as beings created by God grow stronger and stronger?
c) u cannot destroy elements, so therefore the human body breaks down and all the elements esp carbon is being recycled, forming something else, mabbe for some other humans?
d) none of the above? -
From virus point of view, it will be same goes to human that human never die, no matter how many they kill, human still exist and growth stronger.
If he was talking about extinction, it does matter how many you kill. -
So humans still live becoz
At least u r still having the same frequency as me....
a) his soul still remain? either in heaven or hell?
b) human as a race and as beings created by God grow stronger and stronger?
c) u cannot destroy elements, so therefore the human body breaks down and all the elements esp carbon is being recycled, forming something else, mabbe for some other humans?
d) none of the above?
I think he is trying to convince people tat men don't die
They just like to be burnt, buried into the ground after they successfully attempt to be brains dead and stop breathing -
Hey i think i understand this part..Originally posted by burntan:But you and me still live... we are human right?
I said Human never physically die, I didn't said will not die. "Never" mean not happened before.
In Biblical sense, humans have never been extinct or wiped off the face of the earth b4 since the time God created Adam and Eve.
Is this what u meant?
So, there would be time for all this armageddon thingy during the Second Coming as foretold in the Revelations? -
In Biblical sense, humans have never been extinct or wiped off the face of the earth b4 since the time God created Adam and Eve.
Human die... I don't know how u guys r gonna play with the word "physically die" But I knew there r many people who r dead from history and tis statement is definitely wrong. Not all human r dead but they are many who had physically die. I don't know wat sort of conclusion do u wanna reach...
Is this what u meant?
So, there would be time for all this armageddon thingy during the Second Coming as foretold in the Revelations? -
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How can people who think they are so right and smart... engage in such dumb banter?
Wonder if they ever heard about not engaging a fool in his own folly... -
So everyone regards himself a smart arse, and the other party must be a dumb fool?
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you comparing a monster with human? if the day where the end of the world comes can human still survive? but after hearing on how you describe the monster is like even the end of the world the monster will still not die and even grow stronger...so it is actually the topic is totally out of point...Originally posted by burntan:Let say you are watching a monster movie, in the movie there is a monster disturbing people and all the people trying to kill the monster. They cut it into half and the monster growth become 2 monsters. They burn it with fire, the monster turn itself to stronger monster which do not affraid of fire. The try to boom it to millions of small pieces, the little pieces growth back to millions of monster. At this time, people will conclude that the monster can not be kill and never die.
From virus point of view, it will be same goes to human that human never die, no matter how many they kill, human still exist and growth stronger. -
BUDDHISM IN THE MATRIX
By Frances Flannery-Dailey, Hendrix College
and
Rachel Wagner, The University of Iowa
When asked by a fan if Buddhist ideas influenced them in the production of the movie, the Wachowski brothers offered an unqualified "Yes." Indeed, Buddhist ideas pervade the film and appear in close proximity with the equally strong Christian imagery. Almost immediately after Neo is identified as "my own personal Jesus Christ," this appellation is given a distinctively Buddhist twist. The same hacker says: "This never happened. You donÂ’t exist." From the stupa-like pods which encase humans in the horrific mechanistic fields to CypherÂ’s selfish desire for the sensations and pleasures of the matrix, Buddhist teachings form a foundation for much of the filmÂ’s plot and imagery.
[23] The Problem of Samsara. Even the title of the film evokes the Buddhist worldview. The matrix is described by Morpheus as "a prison for your mind." It is a dependent "construct" made up of the interlocking digital projections of billions of human beings who are unaware of the illusory nature of the reality in which they live and are completely dependent on the hardware attached to their real bodies and the elaborate software programs created by A.I. This "construct" resembles the Buddhist idea of samsara, which teaches that the world in which we live our daily lives is constructed only from the sensory projections formulated from our own desires. When Morpheus takes Neo into the "construct" to teach him about the matrix, Neo learns that the way in which he had perceived himself in the matrix was nothing more than "the mental projection of your digital self." The "real" world, which we associate with what we feel, smell, taste, and see, "is simply electrical signals interpreted by your brain." The world, Morpheus explains, exists "now only as part of a neural interactive simulation that we call the matrix." In Buddhist terms, we could say that "because it is empty of self or of what belongs to self, it is therefore said: ‘The world is empty.’ And what is empty of self and what belongs to self? The eye, material shapes, visual consciousness, impression on the eye -- all these are empty of self and of what belongs to self." According to Buddhism and according to The Matrix, the conviction of reality based upon sensory experience, ignorance, and desire keeps humans locked in illusion until they are able to recognize the false nature of reality and relinquish their mistaken sense of identity.
[24] Drawing upon the Buddhist doctrine of Dependent Co-Origination, the film presents reality within the matrix as a conglomerate of the illusions of all humans caught within its snare. Similarly, Buddhism teaches that the suffering of human beings is dependent upon a cycle of ignorance and desire which locks humans into a repetitive cycle of birth, death, and rebirth. The principle is stated in a short formula in the Samyutta-nikaya:
If this is that comes to be;
from the arising of this that arises;
if this is not that does not come to be;
from the stopping of this that is stopped.
[25] The idea of Dependent Co-Origination is illustrated in the context of the film through the illusion of the matrix. The viability of the matrixÂ’s illusion depends upon the belief by those enmeshed in it that the matrix itself is reality. A.I.Â’s software program is, in and of itself, no illusion at all. Only when humans interact with its programs do they become enmeshed in a corporately-created illusion, the matrix, or samsara, which reinforces itself through the interactions of those beings involved within it. Thus the matrixÂ’s reality only exists when actual human minds subjectively experience its programs.
[26] The problem, then, can be seen in Buddhist terms. Humans are trapped in a cycle of illusion, and their ignorance of this cycle keeps them locked in it, fully dependent upon their own interactions with the program and the illusions of sensory experience which these provide, and the sensory projections of others. These projections are strengthened by humansÂ’ enormous desire to believe that what they perceive to be real is in fact real. This desire is so strong that it overcomes Cypher, who can no longer tolerate the "desert of the real" and asks to be reinserted into the matrix. As he sits with Agent Smith in an upscale restaurant smoking a cigar with a large glass of brandy, Cypher explains his motives:
"You know, I know this steak doesnÂ’t exist. I know that when I put it in my mouth, the matrix is telling my brain that it is juicy and delicious. After nine years, you know what I realize? Ignorance is bliss."
[27] Cypher knows that the matrix is not real and that any pleasures he experiences there are illusory. Yet for him, the "ignorance" of samsara is preferable to enlightenment. Denying the reality that he now experiences beyond the matrix, he uses the double negative: "I donÂ’t want to remember nothing. Nothing. And I want to be rich. Someone important. Like an actor." Not only does Cypher want to forget the "nothing" of true reality, but he also wants to be an "actor," to add another level of illusion to the illusion of the matrix that he is choosing to re-enter. The draw of samsara is so strong that not only does Cypher give in to his cravings, but Mouse also may be said to have been overwhelmed by the lures of samsara, since his death is at least in part due to distractions brought on by his sexual fantasies about the "woman in the red dress" which occupy him when he is supposed to be standing alert.
[28] Whereas Cypher and Mouse represent what happens when one gives in to samsara, the rest of the crew epitomize the restraint and composure praised by the Buddha. The scene shifts abruptly from the restaurant to the mess hall of the Nebuchadnezzar, where instead of being offered brandy, cigars and steak, Neo is given the "bowl of snot" which is to be his regular meal from that point forward. In contrast to the pleasures which for Cypher can only be fulfilled in the matrix, Neo and the crew must be content with the "single-celled protein combined with synthetic aminos, vitamins, and minerals" which Dozer claims is "everything the body needs." Clad in threadbare clothes, subsisting on gruel, and sleeping in bare cells, the crew is depicted enacting the Middle Way taught by the Buddha, allowing neither absolute asceticism nor indulgence to distract them from their work.
[29] The Solution of Knowledge/Enlightenment. This duality between the matrix and the reality beyond it sets up the ultimate goal of the rebels, which is to free all minds from the matrix and allow humans to live out their lives in the real world beyond. In making this point, the film-makers draw on both Theravada and Mahayana Buddhist ideas. Alluding to the Theravada ideal of the arhat, the film suggests that enlightenment is achieved through individual effort. As his initial guide, Morpheus makes it clear that Neo cannot depend upon him for enlightenment. Morpheus explains, "no one can be told what the matrix is. You have to see it for yourself." Morpheus tells Neo he must make the final shift in perception entirely on his own. He says: "IÂ’m trying to free your mind, Neo. But I can only show you the door. YouÂ’re the one that has to walk through it." For Theravada Buddhists, "manÂ’s emancipation depends on his own realization of the Truth, and not on the benevolent grace of a god or any external power as a reward for his obedient good behavior." The Dhammapada urges the one seeking enlightenment to "Free thyself from the past, free thyself from the future, free thyself from the present. Crossing to the farther shore of existence, with mind released everywhere, no more shalt thou come to birth and decay." As Morpheus says to Neo, "ThereÂ’s a difference between knowing the path and walking the path." And as the Buddha taught his followers, "You yourselves should make the effort; the Awakened Ones are only teachers." As one already on the path to enlightenment, Morpheus is only a guide; ultimately Neo must recognize the truth for himself.
[30] Yet The Matrix also embraces ideas found in Mahayana Buddhism, especially in its particular concern for liberation for all people through the guidance of those who remain in samsara and postpone their own final enlightenment in order to help others as bodhisattvas. The crew members of the Nebuchadnezzar epitomize this compassion. Rather than remain outside of the matrix where they are safer, they choose to re-enter it repeatedly as ambassadors of knowledge with the ultimate goal of freeing the minds and eventually also the bodies of those who are trapped within the MatrixÂ’s digital web. The film attempts to blend the Theravada ideal of the arhat with the Mahayana ideal of the bodhisattva, presenting the crew as concerned for those still stuck in the matrix and willing to re-enter the matrix to help them, while simultaneously arguing that final realization is an individual process.
By Rachel Wagner, The University of Iowa
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Frances Flannery-Dailey, Hendrix College -
What I suppose you mean is MANKIND dont die but MAN do! Its the same little grammar mistake that Neil Armstrong suppossedly made when he made that famous speech on the moon about a little step for a MAN and a giant leap for MANKIND....
Anyhow... mankind as we know it will eventually be no more at the time of judgement at the second coming. In any case, mankind was nearly no more at the point of Noah's Ark when all that is left of the whole world were 8 people. Noah, wife, 3 sons and 3 daughter-in-law. -
One of the different between human and other animals is human able to accumulate knowledge. Compare a 21 years old adult as of today to a few hundreds years ago 21 years old adult, the modern human have more knowledge then the hundreds years ago human. The knowledge we possess today including the knowledges from the past, from people already "dead".
So, there are connection between the human now and the past, or I would say a modern human now having a part of "previous" human. You can't find a modern human now who is stand alone without knowledge from the past.
To look at the whole picture, we can see a human race, keep growing and never die.
This is very much different from other animals, for example we can see monkey from few hundreds years ago are very much similar to modern monkey in term of knowledge and living style. -
One of the different between human and other animals is human able to accumulate knowledge. Compare a 21 years old adult as of today to a few hundreds years ago 21 years old adult, the modern human have more knowledge then the hundreds years ago human. The knowledge we possess today including the knowledges from the past, from people already "dead".
OUT OF POINT !
So, there are connection between the human now and the past, or I would say a modern human now having a part of "previous" human. You can't find a modern human now who is stand alone without knowledge from the past.
To look at the whole picture, we can see a human race, keep growing and never die.
This is very much different from other animals, for example we can see monkey from few hundreds years ago are very much similar to modern monkey in term of knowledge and living style
U tell me tis u tell me tat, but it still shows tat human do physically die ! If they don't then u could have seen Newton giving his lectures on his laws isn't it ? U only know the important knowledge of human society isn't it ? Do u know who your great great great great grandfather is married to who ? DO u know wat is your great great great great grandmother's name ? U don't ! Their knowledge is really lost forever ! Human being physically die, tat is why they need to store their knowledge and pass to others... otherwise it will be lost forever.
In the end, u change your stand and tell me about extinction of species. SO wat ? I mean everybody know tat human being is not extinct yet. U r telling us tis for wat ? I can give useless information too
Cows drink water and give off milk
Monkeys love bananas
The cockroach is not extinct yet
Men can write
Men invented computers
SO wat ?