How to be saved when die as a baby?
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Chrisitian believe that everyone of us carry the original sin when we born and in order to get back to God side (or go to heaven), we need to confess our sin to the God and accept God as our Lord.
For baby who is born only few days, but unfortunately pass away due to some reasons, how they can go to heaven? They didn't even have chance to know God.
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What About Those Who Never Hear the Gospel?
Jesus claim:
I am the way and the truth and the life.
No one comes to the Father except through me.
- John 14:6
If Christ is the ONLY way to God, what happens to those who never heard about Him? -
They go to hell lor. It is explicitly mentioned many times tat the only way to salavtion is through christ and no other.
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Jesus said, "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these." (Matthew 19:14)
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Is that mean all the children are automatically allow to go to heaven, even without accept God and hear the Gospel?Originally posted by NeonTetra:Jesus said, "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these." (Matthew 19:14) -
i believe so... becoz all children born are innocent... they are ignorant of the worldly matters and hence i would believe that they would go to heaven.Originally posted by burntan:Is that mean all the children are automatically allow to go to heaven, even without accept God and hear the Gospel?
just my views.
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once read a book forget the title liao.. it mentioned that baby/child that die will be in heaven where they will be given a whole new adult body.
it also mentioned that there are no kids in heaven... -
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How about those unreacheable? That they never have chance to hear Gospel before they die?Originally posted by s|nNeD:i believe so... becoz all children born are innocent... they are ignorant of the worldly matters and hence i would believe that they would go to heaven.
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the reason y ppl like u and me at times ask such a question tells tt we dunt fully trust God for who he is and we do not understand his divine nature. The bible says that God is absolutely good and in him there lies no evil and sin.Originally posted by burntan:How about those unreacheable? That they never have chance to hear Gospel before they die?
God is not some holy but unreasonable cosmic tyrant waiting to strike down those who sin against him and sadistic enough to see souls burning in the lake of fire.
The God revealed in the Bible saves. He sent His Son Jesus Christ not to create another religion to flame others or to be flamed. The Son of God came to save sinners because God is not willing that anyone should perish but to come to repentance. How to repent when one is not aware of sins? How to say sorry to you when i dun know i stepped on ur toes last evening?
To have knowledge of laws and to break them is sin. To have lack of faith is also sin. To outright go against God's holy standards (be it civil or laws mentioned in the Bible) is sin. Sinners have to be punished.
As much as ppl focus on the judgemental side of God. yes God is the Judge of the living and the dead. We need to see the loving and forgiving aspect of God, He pardons and redeems.
The Bible mentioned that the reason why the end of world hasnt come not because God the Father lost His palmtop but rather he says that THIS gospel will be preached to all the earth and THEN the end shall come.
"And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come." (Matthew 24:14)
God does not condemn nor punished without any reasons. Just like a sound father doesnt cane his naughty kid without explaining to him the reason for tt punishment. God in His holy laws and testimony and even for those who do not know the Bible - a conscience, so that we know what is right and wrong and we are without excuse. But of course, those who do not know God (absolutely) will be judged on a different basis and since I am but a human (some ppl say i am god) i cannot provide you with God's marking scheme.
The bottomline is...if you know How loving and good this God is...these questions fades away. -
Thanks for the link, the article said:Originally posted by NeonTetra:
"Part of GodÂ’s nature is mercy and He bestows His mercy and His grace on whom He will. Since God is all-knowing, He knows which babies will not have a chance at life outside the womb and if he wishes He can save them like DavidÂ’s son. "
Does that conflict with what Jesus said that "No one comes to the Father except through me"?
How about I become a baby killer? I kill all the babies to send them directly to Heaven, am I doing a good deed? -
again..God is not like science expt....other ppl perform and get results 'A' doent mean we do the same and expect results 'A'. By killing them and send them to heaven..oh thanks thats a good solution ya? but what abt u as a baby killer? Ni bu lu di yu, shui lu di yu (mandarin)?Originally posted by burntan:Thanks for the link, the article said:
"Part of GodÂ’s nature is mercy and He bestows His mercy and His grace on whom He will. Since God is all-knowing, He knows which babies will not have a chance at life outside the womb and if he wishes He can save them like DavidÂ’s son. "
Does that conflict with what Jesus said that "No one comes to the Father except through me"?
How about I become a baby killer? I kill all the babies to send them directly to Heaven, am I doing a good deed?
God is Sovereign and sound. And when we quote Bible, make sure we read and understand it in totality and in context. Not trying to quote A and counter B. No one goes to the Father except thru Jesus Christ still holds. What makes us think that Christ nv die for the sins of babies? No chance to response means death? Like the article says, babies have original sins but they are not in the capacity to carry out the act of sinning like many of us (including me) after knowing something is wrong still does it. -
why keep finding loop holes for salvation? maximum limit or minimum limits u can play with God?
Salvation has been provided and proclaimed. the rest is personal.
Recapture of the plan of salvation:
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Do you imply that those who didn't have chance to hear Gospel still able to go to heaven? Then again should we stop preaching and let more people have no chance to heard Gospel and eventually guarantee to reach Heaven?Originally posted by NeonTetra:the reason y ppl like u and me at times ask such a question tells tt we dunt fully trust God for who he is and we do not understand his divine nature. The bible says that God is absolutely good and in him there lies no evil and sin.
God is not some holy but unreasonable cosmic tyrant waiting to strike down those who sin against him and sadistic enough to see souls burning in the lake of fire.
The God revealed in the Bible saves. He sent His Son Jesus Christ not to create another religion to flame others or to be flamed. The Son of God came to save sinners because God is not willing that anyone should perish but to come to repentance. How to repent when one is not aware of sins? How to say sorry to you when i dun know i stepped on ur toes last evening?
To have knowledge of laws and to break them is sin. To have lack of faith is also sin. To outright go against God's holy standards (be it civil or laws mentioned in the Bible) is sin. Sinners have to be punished.
As much as ppl focus on the judgemental side of God. yes God is the Judge of the living and the dead. We need to see the loving and forgiving aspect of God, He pardons and redeems.
The Bible mentioned that the reason why the end of world hasnt come not because God the Father lost His palmtop but rather he says that THIS gospel will be preached to all the earth and THEN the end shall come.
"And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come." (Matthew 24:14)
God does not condemn nor punished without any reasons. Just like a sound father doesnt cane his naughty kid without explaining to him the reason for tt punishment. God in His holy laws and testimony and even for those who do not know the Bible - a conscience, so that we know what is right and wrong and we are without excuse. But of course, those who do not know God (absolutely) will be judged on a different basis and since I am but a human (some ppl say i am god) i cannot provide you with God's marking scheme.
The bottomline is...if you know How loving and good this God is...these questions fades away.
About the baby killing, if my intention is to send those babies to heaven then I am actually doing something as good as preaching what? Somemore what you said is true, "Wo bu ru di yu, sui ru di yu?". This is going to be danger. -
Do you imply that those who didn't have chance to hear Gospel still able to go to heaven? Then again should we stop preaching and let more people have no chance to heard Gospel and eventually guarantee to reach Heaven?
There is a difference between no chance to hear the Gospel and don't want to hear the gospel.About the baby killing, if my intention is to send those babies to heaven then I am actually doing something as good as preaching what? Somemore what you said is true, "Wo bu ru di yu, sui ru di yu?". This is going to be danger.
If killing baby is to sent them to heaven, then you are saying that killing baby not considered a crime / sin? Furthermore, ending anyone live when the time is not 'up' is also wrong. -
Yes, stop preaching mean "no chance" for others to hear Gospel, right? Will that automatically and more effectively send them to Heaven?Originally posted by pqr:There is a difference between no chance to hear the Gospel and don't want to hear the gospel
What if one willing to sacrifice himself for the benefit of most babies? This is dangerous idea, right?Originally posted by pqr:If killing baby is to sent them to heaven, then you are saying that killing baby not considered a crime / sin? Furthermore, ending anyone live when the time is not 'up' is also wrong.
I don't understand what you mean "Furthermore, ending anyone live when the time is not 'up' is also wrong"? -
We trust in God's mercy and goodness that he will take these unfortunate kids to heaven..
Killing babies to send them to heaven? That does not sound right at all.. Just remember that if you try to play God out, you'll be playing yourself out in the end. -
We trust in God's mercy and goodness that he will take these unfortunate kids to heaven..
U mean he shows mercy and goodness when he wipe out tribes which does not subscibe to him as a religion ? U mean he shows mercy and goodness when he test job by killing off his whole family when he, being all knowing should know the result of the test. i can give more examples showing god is not a mercy being but rather a master tat is harsh. -
IMHO
all are born with sin. but accepting Christ is all about choice, which in this case the child did not have a chance to make this choice.
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All these while you said you don't believe in God exist, but now you seem to know him so well and got examples to show that he is not a mercy being.....Originally posted by stupidissmart:
U mean he shows mercy and goodness when he wipe out tribes which does not subscibe to him as a religion ? U mean he shows mercy and goodness when he test job by killing off his whole family when he, being all knowing should know the result of the test. i can give more examples showing god is not a mercy being but rather a master tat is harsh.
Remember, nobody force you to accept the answers here. Don't you think it is rude and inconsiderate to jump in here to post some base less accuses? -
What if there is really only "one way" and those who didn't have chance to hear Gospel (including babies) are not allow to enter heaven? Do you think it is still acceptable?
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but neon. he has a right to ask, and to allow someone to convince him doesn't it? dun u think saying "u can't ask, because it means u have no faith, if u have faith, then these question fades away" is not going to help? it sounds like what someone would say if they couldn't quite answer u know? and it sure as hell ain't gonna make him start believing.Originally posted by NeonTetra:the reason y ppl like u and me at times ask such a question tells tt we dunt fully trust God for who he is and we do not understand his divine nature. The bible says that God is absolutely good and in him there lies no evil and sin.
God is not some holy but unreasonable cosmic tyrant waiting to strike down those who sin against him and sadistic enough to see souls burning in the lake of fire.
The God revealed in the Bible saves. He sent His Son Jesus Christ not to create another religion to flame others or to be flamed. The Son of God came to save sinners because God is not willing that anyone should perish but to come to repentance. How to repent when one is not aware of sins? How to say sorry to you when i dun know i stepped on ur toes last evening?
To have knowledge of laws and to break them is sin. To have lack of faith is also sin. To outright go against God's holy standards (be it civil or laws mentioned in the Bible) is sin. Sinners have to be punished.
As much as ppl focus on the judgemental side of God. yes God is the Judge of the living and the dead. We need to see the loving and forgiving aspect of God, He pardons and redeems.
The Bible mentioned that the reason why the end of world hasnt come not because God the Father lost His palmtop but rather he says that THIS gospel will be preached to all the earth and THEN the end shall come.
"And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come." (Matthew 24:14)
God does not condemn nor punished without any reasons. Just like a sound father doesnt cane his naughty kid without explaining to him the reason for tt punishment. God in His holy laws and testimony and even for those who do not know the Bible - a conscience, so that we know what is right and wrong and we are without excuse. But of course, those who do not know God (absolutely) will be judged on a different basis and since I am but a human (some ppl say i am god) i cannot provide you with God's marking scheme.
The bottomline is...if you know How loving and good this God is...these questions fades away.
my point being, i dunno if u realise, that u said a lot without actually saying anything? and that he DOES have valid questions. I would think that what he's questioning is not God's words, but rather, if OUR interpretation of the bible is 100% accurate?
anyways, personally nothing against u neon, but i felt that "bottomline" statement does sound more zealot than explanatory. -
ultimately i dunno about each of your personal interpretations, but i believe that the best way is to have kindness within, believe in God or not.
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Micah 6:8 - "He has showed you, O man, what is good. And what does the LORD require of you? To act justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God. "Originally posted by HENG@:ultimately i dunno about each of your personal interpretations, but i believe that the best way is to have kindness within, believe in God or not.
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children are innocent my ass, they are inconsiderate and selfish.Originally posted by s|nNeD:i believe so... becoz all children born are innocent... they are ignorant of the worldly matters and hence i would believe that they would go to heaven.
just my views.
