Choosing Christianity
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Precisely.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:belief does not equate truth.
What you BELIEVE as not true may be true afterall huh? So christianity may be true after all right? Maybe Buddhism may be true after all right?
This is what you are saying what. If you are saying that what christians believe in may not be the truth, well, I will not bother to say that you are wrong too because thats ur belief, no one can say u are wrong. You see, if you do not believe that what christians believe in as the truth, then why should it bother you what they believe in?
CHristians may always want to tell you the truth they believe in, but most of them do not go around asking other religions to prove themselves. Similarly, true buddhists, taoists, muslims and freethinkers or whatever religion people may believe do not go around asking other religions to prove that their religions is the truth. They just believe in what they believe and tell others what they believe in.
So similarly for you, to save some respect for yourself, you can go ahead and tell us what you believe in as truth. WE will listen. But if you are just out to ask christians to prove what they believe in truth, its sadly going to end up nowhere. You know that and you know your motives.
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I was trying to point out the unfairness of God, if christianity was the true religion.Originally posted by gasband:Precisely.
What you BELIEVE as not true may be true afterall huh? So christianity may be true after all right? Maybe Buddhism may be true after all right?
This is what you are saying what. If you are saying that what christians believe in may not be the truth, well, I will not bother to say that you are wrong too because thats ur belief, no one can say u are wrong. You see, if you do not believe that what christians believe in as the truth, then why should it bother you what they believe in?
CHristians may always want to tell you the truth they believe in, but most of them do not go around asking other religions to prove themselves. Similarly, true buddhists, taoists, muslims and freethinkers or whatever religion people may believe do not go around asking other religions to prove that their religions is the truth. They just believe in what they believe and tell others what they believe in.
So similarly for you, to save some respect for yourself, you can go ahead and tell us what you believe in as truth. WE will listen. But if you are just out to ask christians to prove what they believe in truth, its sadly going to end up nowhere. You know that and you know your motives.
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ok....Originally posted by An Eternal Now:I was trying to point out the unfairness of God, if christianity was the true religion.
I am a christian as maybe you should have guess hehehe...
But I am always looking to reconcile christians and other religions as I believe in religious harmony and mutual understanding of each other's beliefs.
Granted, I understand why u said that God seems to be unfair in the christian religion.
BUT, if you were to read the whole context of the bible and the christian religion, you would realise that God has said that "the penalty of sin is death (not physical death, but spiritual separation from God." But yet He "UNFAIRLY" sent Jesus, His Son, to die for us in our place though He done nothing wrong.
So, YES, God is UNFAIR because He sent Jesus to die for us though He Done nothing wrong. In a perfect realm of God and God's perfect character, He doesnt allow the presence of wrongdoings, thus people like ME are suppose to be SPIRITUAL SEPARATED from Him. But yet He choose to UNFAIRLY send Jesus to redeem me.
I hope you understand what I am trying to say in the context of the christian belief. I had an ANG MOH fren who came over to Singapore for a short stay and when we casually mentioned to him that Malays in Singapore pay lesser school fees than other races, his response was "UNFAIR!" But of course he did not understand the culture and history of Singapore and why such policies or law is around and as much as he did not understand it, it is law and nothing can change that at that time. He just had to accept it. Similarly, in labelling something as UNFAIR, we have to sure that we had scrutinize that subject in entirety and realise WHY certain actions are done and words are said.
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why doesnt god just create perfect humans so that they dont commit sins.
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can. He can. US Robotics lorOriginally posted by the.raven:why doesnt god just create perfect humans so that they dont commit sins.
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actually what is so wrong with being a robot? at least you dont get suffering under God's programming.
besides, God can easily make us not sinnable, and yet have total free will. just becos u cant make it out in ur brain doesnt mean God's omnipotence has to be compromised. -
I never say god create robot, I say god create people who wont do bad things. if god is omnipotent, and he is also pissed off by sins, why he create humans who can commit sins?Originally posted by NeonTetra:can. He can. US Robotics lor -
If you sincerely feel that christianity or Jesus is not God or not the real God or not the real religion, SERIOUSLY, then why should what the BIBLE or JESUS said matter to you? Since you dun believe in them, why whould what they say matter to you?
I was trying to point out the unfairness of God, if christianity was the true religion.
Thus, it is only fair that I say, for you to question the validity of what Jesus or Bible said, the assumption is that you think what Jesus or the bible says is true, thats why you wanna challenge. Because if you think that Jesus is not true, why should it matter to you what he says
From an eternal now. I guess tat is a good response.It is not about fair or not fair....like I said, everyone have the same chance, it should be fair.
Tis appears to be a random process. Just because u pick a different one, it doesn't means u deserved to be punish. However for christianity, u really do. Watever u say about original sin, it still boils down to the fact tat one is faultless for picking a wrong religion, yet he still get punish for it
Don't forget the "original sin", by default you are already guilty. The choice available, is just a second chance for you to live...What you BELIEVE as not true may be true afterall huh? So christianity may be true after all right? Maybe Buddhism may be true after all right?
The truth will most likely go to the one with more evidences. Christainity is very unlikely to be false.This is what you are saying what. If you are saying that what christians believe in may not be the truth, well, I will not bother to say that you are wrong too because thats ur belief, no one can say u are wrong. You see, if you do not believe that what christians believe in as the truth, then why should it bother you what they believe in?
It bothers because if it is true, then it shows it is an unfair god. It also proves tat people want to believe in an unfair god so they get better priviledges.CHristians may always want to tell you the truth they believe in, but most of them do not go around asking other religions to prove themselves. Similarly, true buddhists, taoists, muslims and freethinkers or whatever religion people may believe do not go around asking other religions to prove that their religions is the truth. They just believe in what they believe and tell others what they believe in.
Really ? They appears to keep trying to put science down. Isn't tat already challenging scinece to prove itself ?BUT, if you were to read the whole context of the bible and the christian religion, you would realise that God has said that "the penalty of sin is death (not physical death, but spiritual separation from God." But yet He "UNFAIRLY" sent Jesus, His Son, to die for us in our place though He done nothing wrong.
He sacrifice his son to himself bah... he could have just let us "unite" with him without letting his son die in the first place. His death is just to appeased himI hope you understand what I am trying to say in the context of the christian belief. I had an ANG MOH fren who came over to Singapore for a short stay and when we casually mentioned to him that Malays in Singapore pay lesser school fees than other races, his response was "UNFAIR!" But of course he did not understand the culture and history of Singapore and why such policies or law is around and as much as he did not understand it, it is law and nothing can change that at that time. He just had to accept it. Similarly, in labelling something as UNFAIR, we have to sure that we had scrutinize that subject in entirety and realise WHY certain actions are done and words are said.
It is unfair. But however the policy of free schooling is made by humans to appease human. The effects r little as well. Your belief is making a policy of great significance unfair. Your religion is suppose to be made by a perfect god but turn out not to be so perfect after all.can. He can. US Robotics lor
Doesn't commit sin is not equal to being a robot. U get it all wrong. Most decision do not involved any sinning at all. How to get to Ang Mo Kio, I can take by bus, trains or taxi. I am free to watch movie or shopping as well. The only difference is I am not going to shoplift and neither am I going to murder the taxi driver. Is tat robotic ? -
Do you think that you can receive the asset from your rich father is unfair to other who don't?Originally posted by An Eternal Now:The original sin by itself is not fair already. -
Humans was made good and pleasing to God.
Sin is more than doing bad things. It's going against God's will. You can't have free will if you don't allow certain things to happen. -
Do you think that you can receive the asset from your rich father is unfair to other who don't?
Though life is unfair, Human system seeks to be fair to everyone. Tat is why there is law. However christainity has bluntly put himself as being an unfair system and refuse to budge around it.
BTW, it is fair to the rich father since he had worked hard to be rich and he can freely decide how the money goes.Sin is more than doing bad things. It's going against God's will. You can't have free will if you don't allow certain things to happen.
HUH ! Tat is how u classified sin ? Committing bad deeds is not a sin but not listening to god is the real sin ??? Doesn't tat make it sound more... bigot... So if one received instructions from god to kill people, he should do it ? -
Since it is fair to receive your father's wealth, then it should be fair to bear the sin from your ancestor as well, right?Originally posted by stupidissmart:Though life is unfair, Human system seeks to be fair to everyone. Tat is why there is law. However christainity has bluntly put himself as being an unfair system and refuse to budge around it.
BTW, it is fair to the rich father since he had worked hard to be rich and he can freely decide how the money goes. -
You should read properly. I said "sin is more than doing bad things", I did not say "doing bad things is not sin".
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Since it is fair to receive your father's wealth, then it should be fair to bear the sin from your ancestor as well, right?
No. Why should I bear the sin of my ancestors when I didn't made any decisions or do anything to it ? Even when your grandfather owns the bank a lot of money, he is not going to collect from u. The debt will be his own and not spread to the family. If my father go around and killed thousands of people, I don't get a sentence for tat as well. Tat is fair. Taking over the sin of your ancestors is not.
Wat is the point u r trying to drive ? People can choose a different religion because no religion can prove themselves right. Why do they get punish for believing in others ? The one to blame is probably the so called right religion for not proving itself to the people.You should read properly. I said "sin is more than doing bad things", I did not say "doing bad things is not sin".
The idea of sin is already faulty. He says u have sinned when u r borned. How is tat fair ? Intentions and motives doesn't means anything to him. -
It's very noble of you to think for others. I only know that I have been forgiven when I accepted what was done on the cross. Whatever is beyond my control I'll let Him handle it.Originally posted by stupidissmart:The idea of sin is already faulty. He says u have sinned when u r borned. How is tat fair ? Intentions and motives doesn't means anything to him. -
Yeah, this is common people like to do, accept the credit and push away the blame. My father is the hero, I get the honor as well. My father is a thief, but I don't share the shame. My father is rich, it is fair for me to be rich automatically from the asset he left for me. My father is broke and in debt, but I am not reponsible to bear his debt.Originally posted by stupidissmart:No. Why should I bear the sin of my ancestors when I didn't made any decisions or do anything to it ? Even when your grandfather owns the bank a lot of money, he is not going to collect from u. The debt will be his own and not spread to the family. If my father go around and killed thousands of people, I don't get a sentence for tat as well. Tat is fair. Taking over the sin of your ancestors is not.
Wat is the point u r trying to drive ? People can choose a different religion because no religion can prove themselves right. Why do they get punish for believing in others ? The one to blame is probably the so called right religion for not proving itself to the people.
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It's very noble of you to think for others. I only know that I have been forgiven when I accepted what was done on the cross. Whatever is beyond my control I'll let Him handle it.
Maybe u should do a reality check tat watever was done on the cross, or watever doesn't really meant anythingYeah, this is common people like to do, accept the credit and push away the blame. My father is the hero, I get the honor as well. My father is a thief, but I don't share the shame. My father is rich, it is fair for me to be rich automatically from the asset he left for me. My father is broke and in debt, but I am not reponsible to bear his debt.
As said before, man made system to be as fair as possible. Tis is not common people, but respectable organisation like bank and law. I see the system above where men share the fruit of success fromt their ancestors but do not share their burdens as fair. I thought now only a loanshark will they start to become unfair and force the family member to pay for their parents debt. U don't see the above as fair ?
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stupidissmart,Originally posted by stupidissmart:As said before, man made system to be as fair as possible. Tis is not common people, but respectable organisation like bank and law. I see the system above where men share the fruit of success fromt their ancestors but do not share their burdens as fair. I thought now only a loanshark will they start to become unfair and force the family member to pay for their parents debt. U don't see the above as fair ?
regardless how spiteful we are on this earth, no matter how u deny him, our father in heaven still loves us
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Thanks for the advice. I'm happy the way things are =)Originally posted by stupidissmart:Maybe u should do a reality check tat watever was done on the cross, or watever doesn't really meant anything -
Has he chopped off your hand yet? heheheOriginally posted by the.raven:Darth Vader