Creationist vs Evolutionist
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that post is just meant for ppl like SIS. my england not that good lah. Is just only 1 post so far that i write with better england; dedicated to SIS only. now, calm down liao, no more typing with good england.Originally posted by the.raven:if thou can emblazon thy post with a torrential of flowery language like AMD did, then irrevocably I would feel an imminent compulsion to applause for thy wit and skill.
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Got lah. But I try very very had to be careful with my spelling and grammar. And when I do make spelling error, I will correct it. I have a little more pride in what I write.
Tat is your writing style. For me, I take pride in answering long threads in a short amount of time.
Tat is again another personal attack. I believe in the whole forums, there r a lot of people who do not spell correctly either. Does stephanism write impressive english ? If tat is the case then probably everyone is unstable. It probably meant tat I took little time to answer simple questions from people. BTW, I thought the science of profiling is on handwriting, not typewritten style ?
Any comment on your spelling and grammar has go to with your psychological profile. One of an unstable mind. The science of profiling include the analysis of the writing style of the individual.WhatÂ’s a flase claim? I cannot respond because I cannot understand.
never mind, keep laughing at speling mistakes... No matter wat u say about it is not gonna change anythingPlease bear in mind that I had tried very hard in the past to answer your questions, but each time, it still ended with you declaring that you are right. Point is, you are never satisfied even when you are proven wrong. Example? How about the historical context of Biblical text which you categorically deny or how about definition of certain English words used in the past which holds different meaning from now? You have rejected both of these.
Really ? I know u try very hard, but have I ever declared tat I am right without showing u the reasons ? On the issue of definition of certain english words, I thought I have already "agree" to "disagree" on it ? My end note is since I cannot prove "know" as plain "know" while u cannot prove tat "know" = "having sex", then we rest the case as such. I never talk about tat anymore isn't it ? Wat else do u expect ?I may accepted some of the things youÂ’d said at one point, but your continual pursuance of the cause to discredit Christianity has confirmed my point that you still hate Christians
I thought I have given u the reasons of why I continue writing ? If tat is the case, then I can conclude tat the reason why u r discrediting me now is because of your personal grudge against me. So we shouldn't take wat u say seriously ?And you think that I have left these brothers alone? IÂ’d written to some of them to ask them not to write such notes. I donÂ’t do it for all to see. Anything that had happened before me joining the forum has nothing to do with me, as well as anything I am not aware of. And please, if you see any other Christians going to another forum with negative opinions let me know.
I never see u go around asking them to stop like wat u r trying to do to me now. Tat shows u r biased yourself isn't it ? U discourage me from writing in an extreme actions while u make half hearted attempts to stop your "christian brothers" from antagonising other religions.You are the only person in Eternal Hope with so much hatred. I have never told anyone else off for voicing their opinions. Mature people know when to back off. I will not challenge anything you say in Chit Chat. Other non-Christians come into Eternal Hope write a couple of paragraphs and leave. No sweat. Agree to disagree. You? As IÂ’d said, Christianity holds the secret to your purpose of living. We are the drug that allow you to survive each day.
Likewise, u r the only person in Eternal hope tat have so much hatred for me personally. It can be shown tat u never really told anyone off even when they make vulgarities or profanities at your religion without reasons. Truth is tat, u do make passing remarks about me in Chit Chat. Can u tell me u do not ? Christainity holds the purpose of my living ? Another groundless conclusion u made because of your poor observation and tendency to make groundshaking conclusion without substantial reasons. If tat is the case, then I am probably your purpose of living too, since u tend to discredit me so often as well. I am the drug tat allow u to survive each day.I said you are NOT HERE TO LEARN, I did not say I am here to teach. Learning is not about agreeing, it is about accepting another opinion as much as it disagrees with yours. I learn culture when I travel, even culture that disagrees with me. I learn that in some parts of China, bugs are eaten, I would not agree to eat it, I can only accept that it happens. That is real learning.
Tat is RIGHT ! Why is my role here have to be strictly learning ? Surely tat make your role here as teaching isn't it ?
Whatever implication that exist is in your own sick mind is entire your own.
Your idea of learning again boils down to wat u view religion as. U view religion as just a way of living and not the truth ? Surely u can't believe in conflicting theories of gravity and accept both of them ? If there r conflicting theories, then it is right for people to discuss till they come to an answer isn't it ? Otherwise u never know which one is correct !So no issue here. You think we have dumb points, but whoÂ’s dumb to come each day to listen to dumb people taking about dumb things. Dumb? You take it to a new low.
wat do u mean by "taking about dumb things" ? I don't understand ! I thought u take pride in spelling and correcting grammer ? Look like u don't really practise wat u preach ! Worse still comment about other people when u yourself made the same mistake !What is malicious? It is up to you! If you think I have, so be it. So you can come in here and call us dumb or stupid and that's OK? Some other people make remakes on you and you feel insulted????
So u agree with it ? I have stated people r dumb and stupid when they had resort to attacks on me personally first. So when they make such remarks on me, it is okie and when I retaliate, it is not ? Forget it, we all r on the same level.Why bother? Christians believe that they are living better already. I don’t get it. Your conviction to “make people realize the folly of their ways” is OK? But Christians doing the same thing is NOT OK? Duh!!
I don't get u as well, when christian preach their religion to other is okie while I tell people their is wrong is not ? I thought christians always challenge people to these biblical studies when they r preaching their faith to others ? Now someone has taken up the challenge they accuse him of doing exactly wat they intend ? Wat a hypocrite...You donÂ’t get it. I am one of those who believe that there is such a thing as evolution. I also believe that God started the evolution process. As I'd mentioned somewhere earlier in this thread, it all depends on how one defines evolution.
If it doesn't apply to u, then I am not talking to u ! I am answering to sillyme ! R u sillyme ? Maybe u 2 r the same guys offline -
When I plant my durian tree, I want it growth into a big tree with many leafs on it and growth plenty of durians, so I make sure I plant it in the right place and ensure that I fence out the area to prevent animals to disturb and many works to ensure it growth healthy. I can foresee that it willl growth according my plan. And I saw that it was good.
As said before, god had physically see the work on tat day, NOT FORESEE. He has seen the world he created on the same day ! He even walk on it, and planted the garden of eden and made the many streams ON TAT DAY ! He even warn adam not to eat the fruit of wisdom ON TAT DAY. So he is talking to a cell tat cannot exists in a galaxy tat was not formed yet ? If he really do tat, then one must really be wondering why say something who can't even hear nor live in a galaxy tat was just formed days ago. Furthermore, before eve was created, which is still on the 6th day, adam can name all the animals in the world. Wouldn't tat be a surprise for a cell tat is dead in a galaxy 2 days it had just being formed ?
I don't need to physically see my work on the same day to said that.
BTW... the manner in which men was formed is explicitly mention in genesis 2.
the LORD God formed the man [5] from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.
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You crazy ah? There is only one sillyme.
Anyway, regarding your point on proving the existence of God. No point la, I show it to you, you also don't believe. But I have no regrets, I gave my very best and I have no professional training or whatsoever -
Anyway, regarding your point on proving the existence of God. No point la, I show it to you, you also don't believe. But I have no regrets, I gave my very best and I have no professional training or whatsoever
Good, there is only one SIS too.
Why don't u show it to me the evidence of its existence so tat u had really done your best ? I do not have any professional training watsoever either... The field is fair.. in fact it is mroe fairer to u since u have more people on your side... -
so sorry SIS
there was ONE spelling mistake. Unlike you, I will admit it when I make it. So the word that I was typing in error was "talking".
still I will back off, because you are not the drug to fuel my day.... actually it's coffee. man, i need my coffee now...
do me a favour, when you see another forumite in another forum, especially one pertaining to lifestyle and other religion, badmouthing it, drop me a line. I will go in to "advice" such an individual to stay away, or at least be polite. Or perhaps, each time I admonish another individual, I put you in the copy list.
Why do I pick on only you? I guess it's the same reason why you pick only on Christians. Nothing more nothing less. Still, you can be offended by my comments but Christians should not be offended by your longstanding grudge because you speak the "truth"? Do I irritate you? Ignore me please... I am just an old geezer speaking his mind. After all, as you had declared so many times, this is a forum, why can't I speak freely....
Whether who is seen to be more credible is not up for you to say. Whether which one of us should be taken seriously is also not up to you.
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Hmm... don't forget our God is omnipotent, how you know he can't physically see in the future and talk to someone in the future within same day?Originally posted by stupidissmart:As said before, god had physically see the work on tat day, NOT FORESEE. He has seen the world he created on the same day ! He even walk on it, and planted the garden of eden and made the many streams ON TAT DAY ! He even warn adam not to eat the fruit of wisdom ON TAT DAY. So he is talking to a cell tat cannot exists in a galaxy tat was not formed yet ? If he really do tat, then one must really be wondering why say something who can't even hear nor live in a galaxy tat was just formed days ago. Furthermore, before eve was created, which is still on the 6th day, adam can name all the animals in the world. Wouldn't tat be a surprise for a cell tat is dead in a galaxy 2 days it had just being formed ?
BTW... the manner in which men was formed is explicitly mention in genesis 2.
the LORD God formed the man [5] from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.
How r u gonna argue tat men r formed from dust ?
We are known as carbon-based organic, the atoms and molecules to form our living tissue are all from the ground, from the Earth. So, to say that man are make from dust is nothing wrong. -
whoa, like that also can ah? back to the future??Originally posted by burntan:Hmm... don't forget our God is omnipotent, how you know he can't physically see in the future and talk to someone in the future within same day? -
Hmm... don't forget our God is omnipotent, how you know he can't physically see in the future and talk to someone in the future within same day?
I think u r stretching it too far... In the bible it is explicitly mention tat he was talking to, and adam responded within the same day, not zooming back and forth in future. In the bible god was seen walking and exploring the environment within the same day, not zooming into the future and see the result. God made man from the dust on earth, meaning earth has been formed within a few days. Tis again defy science saying tat the galaxy, much less earth was created in many billions of years.
U r actually defying the scripture by not reading it literally and adding in your words to it.
Sorry man, dust is not made of carbon. It is likely to made up of clay or sand, which is aluminium or silicon based. Also the point tat I put in the dust thingy is to show tat men was specially created from itself, NOT evolved from primates.
We are known as carbon-based organic, the atoms and molecules to form our living tissue are all from the ground, from the Earth. So, to say that man are make from dust is nothing wrong. -
We both don't know exactly what happened during the early universe creation and none of the scientist know that, too. The Bible can not be wrong, if it said so, it must be happen that way. God is extreme being that we can't even understand one over billions of his capabilities. BTW, no one can say he can fully understand the Bible and able to explain everyting in it. God didn't expect anyone beside Jesus can do that as well. All we need to know is it said what it written and it is exactly what happened. If you know the detail scientific explaination of genesis, we can create another universe, right? Don't forget, we are not God.Originally posted by stupidissmart:I think u r stretching it too far... In the bible it is explicitly mention tat he was talking to, and adam responded within the same day, not zooming back and forth in future. In the bible god was seen walking and exploring the environment within the same day, not zooming into the future and see the result. God made man from the dust on earth, meaning earth has been formed within a few days. Tis again defy science saying tat the galaxy, much less earth was created in many billions of years.
U r actually defying the scripture by not reading it literally and adding in your words to it.
Now you are defying "dust" your way. My conclusion is, God created the universe, God created human in his way....it maybe thru evolution as well.Originally posted by stupidissmart:Sorry man, dust is not made of carbon. It is likely to made up of clay or sand, which is aluminium or silicon based. Also the point tat I put in the dust thingy is to show tat men was specially created from itself, NOT evolved from primates. -
Adam being created from dust, as stated in the bible, simply means that he was created from elements of earth and that the body created is destructible.
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We both don't know exactly what happened during the early universe creation and none of the scientist know that, too. The Bible can not be wrong, if it said so, it must be happen that way. God is extreme being that we can't even understand one over billions of his capabilities. BTW, no one can say he can fully understand the Bible and able to explain everyting in it. God didn't expect anyone beside Jesus can do that as well. All we need to know is it said what it written and it is exactly what happened. If you know the detail scientific explaination of genesis, we can create another universe, right? Don't forget, we are not God.
Actually, I thought tat was wat I am trying to prove... the bible is wrong... If u feel tat the bible is not wrong, then how come the earth is not flat, the sun doesn't revolves around the earth, slavery is not practised now and they classify bats as birds ? Why do u believe tat the bible must be correct ? Muslim, taoists, buddhist all claims tat their scripture r the one tat contains truth. BUT surely only one, or neither of them r correct isn't it ? Hasn't tis shown tat the bible is not correct as it claims and it is probably lies spun out by people 2000 years ago ?
In the end, your reply just remark tat the bible say the galaxy is 6 days old, science theories and probably u too believed galaxy is billions of years old, evolution must take place in millions of years while bible claim it is a single day, both contradicts each other and u don't care nor able to answer ? I thought the whole idea is to prove tat evolution and the old earth theories contradict with the bible ?
I am sure men should be able to understand the bible, otherwise who r the idiots tat interprete them for people to follow ? Bible is written by god for human to learn, not jesus to learn isn't it ?Now you are defying "dust" your way. My conclusion is, God created the universe, God created human in his way....it maybe thru evolution as well.
Wat do u define dust as ? Isn't dust the dust we see on the ground ? Isn't evolution contradicts bible ? U r not answering tis question isn't it ?Adam being created from dust, as stated in the bible, simply means that he was created from elements of earth and that the body created is destructible.
I thought the way god make men appears to be similar to Nu Wa make man.. they r formed from the dust from the ground... Why do u say the body is intended to be destructible ? Where does it written tat he was created from elements of earth and not just as plain dust from the ground ? I never see tat in the bible...
Dead skin flakes form a large part of earth's dust composition.
Dead skins r formed after millions of years from living beings. It couldn't have been form from a single day (animals r created only 1 day ago). -
But you just can't prove that the Bible is wrong, no one can. Did bible said that the Earth is flat? Bible mention that the sun revolves around the Earth?Originally posted by stupidissmart:Actually, I thought tat was wat I am trying to prove... the bible is wrong... If u feel tat the bible is not wrong, then how come the earth is not flat, the sun doesn't revolves around the earth, slavery is not practised now and they classify bats as birds ? Why do u believe tat the bible must be correct ? Muslim, taoists, buddhist all claims tat their scripture r the one tat contains truth. BUT surely only one, or neither of them r correct isn't it ? Hasn't tis shown tat the bible is not correct as it claims and it is probably lies spun out by people 2000 years ago ?
In the end, your reply just remark tat the bible say the galaxy is 6 days old, science theories and probably u too believed galaxy is billions of years old, evolution must take place in millions of years while bible claim it is a single day, both contradicts each other and u don't care nor able to answer ? I thought the whole idea is to prove tat evolution and the old earth theories contradict with the bible ?
I am sure men should be able to understand the bible, otherwise who r the idiots tat interprete them for people to follow ? Bible is written by god for human to learn, not jesus to learn isn't it ?
Why do I believe that the bible must be correct? I think it is up to individual to choose what they believe in. Too many religions make you confuse, this is what I experienced, but that doesn't prove that Bible is wrong.
In fact, I didn't said the galaxy is 6 days old (it could be), what I believe is God created and started it and it could take 6 billions years or more to form the complete galaxy. God use his way to create galaxy and human that we may not understand with our current knowledge, that doesn't prove the Bible is wrong. Like I said, if I know every details and able to explain it to you, then I am God and I can create the universe as well.
Man will understand the bible if they choose to believe in it. It is not too difficult to understand it, for example it said God created human, very simple and straight forward. Everyone should able to understand that. But you are asking "how", you need to know "how" in order to accept that, that's why you claim that you don't understand. Since bible didn't mention clearly "how", then we don't know "how" and I do believe that we are not capable to know no matter how detail God trying to describe it in the bible, I am sure you must agree it is a very complex and huge process. -
so detail for what? it's not a science journal. you didn't know the Bible is written many years ago? the actual details would have confused the scriber.Originally posted by stupidissmart:I thought the way god make men appears to be similar to Nu Wa make man.. they r formed from the dust from the ground... Why do u say the body is intended to be destructible ? Where does it written tat he was created from elements of earth and not just as plain dust from the ground ? I never see tat in the bible...
Dead skins r formed after millions of years from living beings. It couldn't have been form from a single day (animals r created only 1 day ago). -
But you just can't prove that the Bible is wrong, no one can. Did bible said that the Earth is flat? Bible mention that the sun revolves around the Earth?
Can.. why not ? It says a lot of events and things and therefore if they r wrong, the bible is wrong. Bible didn't say tat earth is flat, then why punish and house arrest people who claims it is round ? Sun revolves around the earth ? ISn't tat why galileo is placed under house arrest too ? U have nothing to say about bats being birds isn't it ? U have again nothing to say tat bible says slavery is right ?Why do I believe that the bible must be correct? I think it is up to individual to choose what they believe in. Too many religions make you confuse, this is what I experienced, but that doesn't prove that Bible is wrong.
I am not saying tat too many religion make bible wrong, but bible being full of contradictions and errors is wrong by itself.In fact, I didn't said the galaxy is 6 days old (it could be), what I believe is God created and started it and it could take 6 billions years or more to form the complete galaxy. God use his way to create galaxy and human that we may not understand with our current knowledge, that doesn't prove the Bible is wrong. Like I said, if I know every details and able to explain it to you, then I am God and I can create the universe as well.
As said before, u just push everything into the black box called "god". The bible say it is made in 6 days. They even explained explicitly wat is a day. Now u saying tat it could be made in 6 billions years but u don't know why bible writes it as 6 days ? But bible must be correct so the galaxy is created in both 6 billions years and 6 days simultaneously. Isn't tat wrong and illogical ?How can it be made in 6 days and 6 billions years at the same time ? iSn't it easy to acknowledge tat if science is right about galaxy being made in 6 or much more billions of years, the bible is wrong.Man will understand the bible if they choose to believe in it. It is not too difficult to understand it, for example it said God created human, very simple and straight forward. Everyone should able to understand that. But you are asking "how", you need to know "how" in order to accept that, that's why you claim that you don't understand. Since bible didn't mention clearly "how", then we don't know "how" and I do believe that we are not capable to know no matter how detail God trying to describe it in the bible, I am sure you must agree it is a very complex and huge process.
It states tat god create human from dust. It is telling u HOW, not telling u who. It is simple and straightforward right ? Everyone should be able to understand tat isn't it ? Now u r totally ignoring tat statement, claiming tat the above statement is not found in the bible and push everything into the black box again. Why can't it be more believable tat the bible is just a collection of folk stories tat explain certain phenomenon ? -
you don't get it ar???Originally posted by sillyme:so detail for what? it's not a science journal. you didn't know the Bible is written many years ago? the actual details would have confused the scriber. some people expect that because God is omnipotent, the hebrews should have a GPS device so that they should not be wandering 40 years in the desert. or that people 2000 years go have the same technology that we have now. It would have been nice if Joshua and Caleb had communicated using 3G phones with the other 10 spies so that communication would be better....
some people use 2004 mentality (or the lack of) to read a book intended to pan generations, cross cultures, and translated into hundreds or thousands of languages. -
ai seh.. if only they had DVcam since Eden.. archive it in some data centre.. then all these confusion wouldn't have happened..Originally posted by Chin Eng:you don't get it ar??? some people expect that because God is omnipotent, the hebrews should have a GPS device so that they should not be wandering 40 years in the desert. or that people 2000 years go have the same technology that we have now. It would have been nice if Joshua and Caleb had communicated using 3G phones with the other 10 spies so that communication would be better....
some people use 2004 mentality (or the lack of) to read a book intended to pan generations, cross cultures, and translated into hundreds or thousands of languages.
eh, SIS.. i ask you just one question.. after this, i try not to stand in your way..
My question is: Can we believe in something you don't believe in?? -
When people get arrest by claim Earth is round mean Bible said so? Who arrest them? God? There are Christians who is a rapist as well, doesn't mean that the Bible say ok for raping, right? Don't confuse by this.Originally posted by stupidissmart:Can.. why not ? It says a lot of events and things and therefore if they r wrong, the bible is wrong. Bible didn't say tat earth is flat, then why punish and house arrest people who claims it is round ? Sun revolves around the earth ? ISn't tat why galileo is placed under house arrest too ? U have nothing to say about bats being birds isn't it ? U have again nothing to say tat bible says slavery is right ?
At the time Bible was written, most people think that bats is birds, what's wrong with it? In which chapter Bible say that slavery is good?
But not even science can prove that the galaxy is made in how many billions years....so based on what to say the Bible is wrong? At least the Bible say it clearly it is 6 days, sharp and firm.Originally posted by stupidissmart:As said before, u just push everything into the black box called "god". The bible say it is made in 6 days. They even explained explicitly wat is a day. Now u saying tat it could be made in 6 billions years but u don't know why bible writes it as 6 days ? But bible must be correct so the galaxy is created in both 6 billions years and 6 days simultaneously. Isn't tat wrong and illogical ?How can it be made in 6 days and 6 billions years at the same time ? iSn't it easy to acknowledge tat if science is right about galaxy being made in 6 or much more billions of years, the bible is wrong.
When Bible said that man is created from dust, then it is. Everyone can understand. I didn't say that it is not. It is you who doubt that and want people to explain to you that "how" to create from dust?Originally posted by stupidissmart:It states tat god create human from dust. It is telling u HOW, not telling u who. It is simple and straightforward right ? Everyone should be able to understand tat isn't it ? Now u r totally ignoring tat statement, claiming tat the above statement is not found in the bible and push everything into the black box again. Why can't it be more believable tat the bible is just a collection of folk stories tat explain certain phenomenon ?
Why can't it be more believable that the bible is correct? Why choose to believe that some people from few thousands years ago smart enough and able to write something to fool most of us including some rocket scientist living in 21 century? -
I am thrilled by the prospect that Jesus and Mary's descendants live amongst us.
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Jesus and Mary have descendant?Originally posted by F Takumi:I am thrilled by the prospect that Jesus and Mary's descendants live amongst us. -
Can we believe in something you don't believe in??
Can, why not ? I can't stop u anyway.
Let me ask a question. People believe in things only when they have grounds to believe it to be the truth. Why do u believe in something tat appears to go against all evidence and logics ? -
Takumi's reading too much into Da Vinci Code.... One of the hottest seller in the bookshops.Originally posted by burntan:Jesus and Mary have descendant? -
When people get arrest by claim Earth is round mean Bible said so? Who arrest them? God? There are Christians who is a rapist as well, doesn't mean that the Bible say ok for raping, right? Don't confuse by this.
The church does. Tis is not about the individual christians but the church. They r suppose to be led by holy spirits isn't it ? U mean the church can be as wrong as human ? Then why do u follow its policies like tilthing and prohibiting masturbation since it all can leads to it being human errors.At the time Bible was written, most people think that bats is birds, what's wrong with it? In which chapter Bible say that slavery is good?
But isn't the bible suppose to be ageless, and it is written by god indirectly ? They have holy spirits tat continue to guide them till today isn't it ? SO now u r telling me tat certain para and phrases r outdated ? Then how do u know which part of the bible is outdated and which part r not ? Maybe the whole bible is outdated, who knows... In which chapter do the bible say slavery is good ? They tell us of laws on how to treat slaves isn't it ? They never disprove of slaves, and in fact jesus recommend hitting slaves when they do not perform as expected. In fact he mention god is a harsh master while we r his slaves. Tis certainly implied bible recommend slavery isn't it ?But not even science can prove that the galaxy is made in how many billions years....so based on what to say the Bible is wrong? At least the Bible say it clearly it is 6 days, sharp and firm.
Ahh... so u believe the earth is young and made just 6000 years ago now ? In the end your standpoint is the same as others, tat u do not believe in an old earth and evolution just because it goes against the bible ? Sharp and firm, so wat ? It still can be wrong.When Bible said that man is created from dust, then it is. Everyone can understand. I didn't say that it is not. It is you who doubt that and want people to explain to you that "how" to create from dust?
I didn't say tat it is not. I say tat according to the bible, men is from the ground and NOT from evolution. He create men DIRECTLY from non living things. He already explicitly mention HOW and WHEN. And they goes against the theories of evolution ! Why can't u get wat I am trying to say ?Why can't it be more believable that the bible is correct? Why choose to believe that some people from few thousands years ago smart enough and able to write something to fool most of us including some rocket scientist living in 21 century?
Because most things it had said is not correct or tested. Science is certainly holds more truth because we can use these principles to make things, such as a computer or a rockets. If it is not true, it wouldn't have worked. The bible doesn't hold any truth in it ! It is not about being a science journal, it is about it being a history book tat recorded all things tat have never happened ! -
okie, we are on the verge of religion bashing again. can we take a step back.
You may treat this as a silly post but maybe someone would hold the answer to these queries.
I am wondering yesterday, when did the ancient civilization came about? If we consider Evolution, there seems to be a gap between the Lucy-ape like primates to the Egytian, Mesopotamia,Chinese, India, Mayan and Hebrew.
Some of the webpages gave birth of the civiliazation between 4000 - 6000BC.
One even suggested that the Chinese were the first to begin civilization, a good 1000 years before Egypt. I do not know how true these are, but rest assured, the site are not pro-christian, they are just purely history-themed sites.
So what happened between Lucy and the first civilization? StoneAge Man?
If those facts were true, does that mean that today's Egyptians and Chinese are more evolved than say the Caucasians? (no harm speculating right?)
Wouldn't it also be too big a coinsidence for all those StoneAge Man spread across the globe to begin their civilizations less than 1000 years apart?
Hmmm, if those facts were true, it does fall nicely with how old the world is according to the bible, between 6000 - 7000 years.
Again, i don't mind being bashed because of this post, but i would really appreciate it if someone can provide details with these queries. SIS maybe? Poopie-Head maybe? -
Why can't the church be wrong? Even the priest can be wrong? We are only human, we can be wrong. Unless you say Jesus arrest them... This theory also apply to uni graduate can be a criminal as well, doesn't mean that we shouldn't send out children to university.Originally posted by stupidissmart:The church does. Tis is not about the individual christians but the church. They r suppose to be led by holy spirits isn't it ? U mean the church can be as wrong as human ? Then why do u follow its policies like tilthing and prohibiting masturbation since it all can leads to it being human errors.
It is easier for modern people to understand what written for people in the past than write some rocket science in the past and hope that they can understand isn't it? This should be obvious enough.Originally posted by stupidissmart:But isn't the bible suppose to be ageless, and it is written by god indirectly ? They have holy spirits tat continue to guide them till today isn't it ? SO now u r telling me tat certain para and phrases r outdated ? Then how do u know which part of the bible is outdated and which part r not ? Maybe the whole bible is outdated, who knows... In which chapter do the bible say slavery is good ? They tell us of laws on how to treat slaves isn't it ? They never disprove of slaves, and in fact jesus recommend hitting slaves when they do not perform as expected. In fact he mention god is a harsh master while we r his slaves. Tis certainly implied bible recommend slavery isn't it ?
Again, it is based on your assumption that the bible support slavery.
Actually I don't believe that our Earth is just 6000 years old. Like I said b4, evolution can be created and started by God. However I do open to the possibility of everything just "pop-up" in days.Originally posted by stupidissmart:Ahh... so u believe the earth is young and made just 6000 years ago now ? In the end your standpoint is the same as others, tat u do not believe in an old earth and evolution just because it goes against the bible ? Sharp and firm, so wat ? It still can be wrong.
The bible did say man created from dust, but it didn't say "NOT from evolution". The only "HOW" it mention is the material used, not the process. The "WHEN" it mention is just the starting, not the entire lenght of the process as well.Originally posted by stupidissmart:I didn't say tat it is not. I say tat according to the bible, men is from the ground and NOT from evolution. He create men DIRECTLY from non living things. He already explicitly mention HOW and WHEN. And they goes against the theories of evolution ! Why can't u get wat I am trying to say ?
None of the things mention in Bible is being proven incorrect. Yes, there are people like you who trying to prove that something wrong in Bible, but over thousands of years, nobody could. Isn't that hard proof enough? Do you reliaze that up to now, you still haven't anything wrong in Bible? But you just keep on saying that it is wrong and those history mention in it never happended.Originally posted by stupidissmart:Because most things it had said is not correct or tested. Science is certainly holds more truth because we can use these principles to make things, such as a computer or a rockets. If it is not true, it wouldn't have worked. The bible doesn't hold any truth in it ! It is not about being a science journal, it is about it being a history book tat recorded all things tat have never happened !