Note: God Didn't Create Evil!
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With Regards to The Above title
God didn't create Evil ,
Thats also a problem by itself..
See , God given us a brain to think right/wrong
The freedom to choose
God also had a choice you see, to create humans who can only do right..
won't do wrong..or humans who can basically do both..
So in this world..you are given a chance ,
Basically you are also given a choice whether to commit sins or whether to do good deeds
Naturally , With Freedom to Choose, some people might choose good,
some people might choose bad..
It's kinda sad.. for people to say
Humans are God's best creation..
Also the most sinful one..
Also the most destructive one..
Also the most disloyal one..
The difference between us and animals is that animals don't have the chance to choose whether to love God or not..they automatically is programmed to love God..
Humans, of course with higher intelligence and a being able to think for itself
Would naturally stray away..
Don't say so fast first,
Lucifer was given a chance to choose,
Even though he know he will lose in the end,
He still is rebellious..
The magic of humans is that..
within the human mind...
it can find ways within...
to create a artificial God...
To those people who said there is No God..
They wouldn't have existed in the first place to say that there isn't any God
Even for the probability of the whole thing getting created by Big Bang is absurdity , Tell me who created the Big Bang?
With regards to dinosaurs,i personally assume it was a testing ground , before He moved on to humans..
With regards to scientists, some of them even say the probability of earth being created with so many humans, and the probability of having a planet, with a sun , and having a ocean , with fresh water, a land with raw materials, a land with oil , a ozone layer..
The probability of it is almost equal as....a tornado going thru a unassembled 747 jumbo jet..and after the tornado come out..a finished jumbo jet is created..
That means its theoretically impossible, so there has to be one higher being..
To Atheists:
You declare your not worshipping anything, but everyone does worship something..Money, Ou xiang, condominium, wife, material stuffs..
Worshipping is not only limited to idols..
Anything that takes the place of God in our lives
Lucifer is right within us, in Humans ourselves..
i admit i got sin and i have evil within myself ,
But i will plead to God to forgive my sins..
Choose to do right!! -
Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. -
the universe is balanced by good and evil.
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U writing poem or something ?
See , God given us a brain to think right/wrong
He has given u the power to reason. Why waste it ? Why not use them when selecting your religion ?
The freedom to chooseGod also had a choice you see, to create humans who can only do right..
And so ?
won't do wrong..or humans who can basically do both..So in this world..you are given a chance ,
R u given a choice to be borned ? No, yet they classified it as a sin. Tat is no a choice.
Basically you are also given a choice whether to commit sins or whether to do good deedsNaturally , With Freedom to Choose, some people might choose good,
God create evil. If he has not created them, people won't choose to do bad deeds because it is no longer an option.
some people might choose bad..Humans are God's best creation..
God r human's worst creation.
Also the most sinful one..
Also the most destructive one..
Also the most disloyal one..
The most cruel one
the most disruptive one
the most harsh oneThe difference between us and animals is that animals don't have the chance to choose whether to love God or not..they automatically is programmed to love God..
And wat hapen to these "faithful" animals ? God say tat they r nothing but meat and we can do all we like with them.Don't say so fast first,
Really ? How do u know ? Maybe Lucifer is "programmed' to oppose God
Lucifer was given a chance to choose,
Even though he know he will lose in the end,
He still is rebellious..To those people who said there is No God..
I existed. I say there is not god. I still exist.
They wouldn't have existed in the first place to say that there isn't any GodEven for the probability of the whole thing getting created by Big Bang is absurdity , Tell me who created the Big Bang?
Tell me who create the creator then i will tell u who create the big bangWith regards to dinosaurs,i personally assume it was a testing ground , before He moved on to humans..
testing ground ? U mean they r guinea pigs ? They die and tat is it ? God also kill almost every people during the flood. So these people r guinea pigs ?With regards to scientists, some of them even say the probability of earth being created with so many humans, and the probability of having a planet, with a sun , and having a ocean , with fresh water, a land with raw materials, a land with oil , a ozone layer..
I have said many times before, there are infinitely possible sites for reaction and given infinite time. It can counter the huge odds tat create life.
The probability of it is almost equal as....a tornado going thru a unassembled 747 jumbo jet..and after the tornado come out..a finished jumbo jet is created..That means its theoretically impossible, so there has to be one higher being..
by probabilty, it is possible. In fact, I can put it as highly possibleYou declare your not worshipping anything, but everyone does worship something..Money, Ou xiang, condominium, wife, material stuffs..
Your definition of worship is wrong. I like money, condo, ou xiang wife etc, But I do not worship them. Is just liking something become worshipping it ? Then u guys have create the ultimate sins of worshipping other things other than your god.Lucifer is right within us, in Humans ourselves..
Lucifer is create by god. God create evil tat corrupts lucifer. God is all knowing and know tis will happen yet do nothing about it even though he is omni potent. Lucifer is with us, and tat is planed by god all along. -
where got choice of freedom....? believe go heaven dun believe go hell...
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of course got choice of freedom.
got 2 options
Heaven and Hell is basically very simple.
Do good,worship God..yet as us as the being created only .
You are just given a choice!
IF GOD did something about Lucifer, we all would be dead
CAUSE lucifer exists within you and me.
Lucifer = Sin = Evil
You want God to erase Lucifer?
To Erase LUCIFER, you gotta SPLIT UP GOOD AND EVIL..
God LOVES THE SINNER BUT HATES SIN!
Humans are basically good and evil.
So we gotta split them up first, cause evil is inside your mind!
We have fall short of the glory of God!
anyway , if you don't believe in God nevermind.
Before you sleep , ask yourself what's gonna happen to you
After you die..
Will you evolve into nothingness? or stand before God to be judged? -
living is important... i rather think abt my life in the present better then thinking abt whether i die wat will happen... no one can confirm wat will happen after life ended... but true also lo have to see if one believes anot.
aniway no offence la, personel view onli.. cheers
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Thx u for showing respect. u have ur own view...but do try to search for the truth. If there are spirits/ghost or what ever u call them exist...then..in ur body, there will be something call soul. cant be this guy got spirit and u dun have wan rite. Anyway..if soul do exist..then there is a high chance of life after death.Originally posted by ak0:living is important... i rather think abt my life in the present better then thinking abt whether i die wat will happen... no one can confirm wat will happen after life ended... but true also lo have to see if one believes anot.
aniway no offence la, personel view onli.. cheers
But always remember...no matter what religion u r in...or even u r free thinker...pls remember to respect other ppl religion. not like someone within our society...no matter how high the education level..but being morally wrong is worse than a farmer who is illiterate. Imagine if the whole world is full of ppl who goes around condeming what others' believe...the world will be gone in just days. Peace is extremely essential in our society now. -
True with the above post.
Anywae..When u 40-50 years old u will know what im saying..
after your children graduate..fro uni..
u have a successful career, everything is going smoothly..
u are going to wonder about the future once again..
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Dunno where u get ur version. I check with 3 bibles, 1 is my bible, 1 is online standardize version..another is a malay bible, and all of the 3 agree with:Originally posted by stupidissmart:Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
I form the light and create the dark: I usher in prosperity and bring calamity: I the Lord, do all this.
bring calamity is not = create evil -
of course got choice of freedom.
Someone mention a good point earlier. U r not expected to make your choice. They force u to be "sinless" and if u don't obey, u get punish. Worst still, u have sinned when u r borned. Tat is not a choice.
got 2 options
Heaven and Hell is basically very simple.
Do good,worship God..yet as us as the being created only .
You are just given a choice!IF GOD did something about Lucifer, we all would be dead
Strange, I thought evil exist within u and me. Why does it become lucifer ?
CAUSE lucifer exists within you and me.
Lucifer = Sin = EvilYou want God to erase Lucifer?
U know wat is omni potent ? If he is omni potent, he just need to "erase" or "convert" lucifer without spliting up anything. If he can't, then he is not omni potent. His powers r restricted.
To Erase LUCIFER, you gotta SPLIT UP GOOD AND EVIL..God LOVES THE SINNER BUT HATES SIN!
U r raving............ I don't even know wat u r trying to say !
Humans are basically good and evil.
So we gotta split them up first, cause evil is inside your mind!
We have fall short of the glory of God!anyway , if you don't believe in God nevermind.
I have said many times. U just die. U didn't evolve into nothingness. u just become nothing. But tat is life isn't it ? Why believe in a beautiful lie ? It is not true ! Face the facts !
Before you sleep , ask yourself what's gonna happen to you
After you die..
Will you evolve into nothingness? or stand before God to be judged?Thx u for showing respect. u have ur own view...but do try to search for the truth. If there are spirits/ghost or what ever u call them exist...then..in ur body, there will be something call soul. cant be this guy got spirit and u dun have wan rite. Anyway..if soul do exist..then there is a high chance of life after death.
Why do u say spirits or soul exists ?!?!? I am really wondering if u really hear too much ghost story from other people...Dunno where u get ur version. I check with 3 bibles, 1 is my bible, 1 is online standardize version..another is a malay bible, and all of the 3 agree with:
KJV
http://bible.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin/bible?passage=ISA+45&language=english&version=KJV -
Hey Sis,first of all let me do some clarifications. First..if u say that life ends after death...and there are no spirit / souls in this world,better u say that all religion is fake regardless of christian, hinduism and buddhism. ....
I believe in spirit/ soul..not because of movies ok. Just because u dun experience them..that doesnt mean it doesnt exist. Some of my frens...they had encounter these things before. He was being possessed,...the language he speaks..is then an ancient Jawanese language. biologically speaking...spirits have no brain cells...but how come these "things" retain its memory is still remain unexplain.
Have u heard of ghostbuster in the states? they are for real. They use science. Their equipment can detect these "things" by frequency and packets of energy. Physcologist ( some wif phd) also do agree with the existence of them. ..so dun think that u r damn smart...correcting each person sentences as if they are all wrong and u r damn right. If u r so right, today u wont be here. U might be chairing NASA or a damn smart researcher than frequently appear in the TV.
The point is u r not and u will nvr be with this kind of INCORRIGIBLE attitude. Sry, but i really cant stand ur attitude.
ps: even my lecturer/ prof is so humble therforehow can a person like u be so arrogant. empty vessel makes the most noise...this is where idiom comes in
Ur attitude is one of the worse i had ever seen -
Originally posted by AMD2004:The point is u r not and u will nvr be with this kind of INCORRIGIBLE attitude. Sry, but i really cant stand ur attitude.
ps: even my lecturer/ prof is so humble therforehow can a person like u be so arrogant. empty vessel makes the most noise...this is where idiom comes in Ur attitude is one of the worse i had ever seen
actually you are not the only one..... Christians and many non-Christians alike have the same feeling as you....
I still cannot understand why a person keeps coming into a forum that he totally disagrees with and waste his time and effort lambasting a faith that had existing for so long while he continues to argue that Christian are wasting their time and money on the church....
Cheers... bro.... -
we shall treat such a person as INVISIBLEOriginally posted by Chin Eng: actually you are not the only one..... Christians and many non-Christians alike have the same feeling as you....
I still cannot understand why a person keeps coming into a forum that he totally disagrees with and waste his time and effort lambasting a faith that had existing for so long while he continues to argue that Christian are wasting their time and money on the church....
Cheers... bro.... -
Originally posted by skinnybeanie:we shall treat such a person as INVISIBLE
just like the Clay Aiken song...... ha ha.... -
Originally posted by Chin Eng:
just like the Clay Aiken song...... ha ha....
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Does your first statement contradict what is in the bible?Originally posted by SibeiSuayKia:God didn't create EvilOriginally posted by stupidissmart:Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. -
Hi SnowFlag
To answer your question on Isa 45:7 please refer to the following link
http://www.carm.org/diff/Isa_45_7.htm.
The English Bible is only one of the many languages the Good Book exists in. Due to the differences in meaning and limitation of some languages versus another, one almost need to be careful when dealing with some Biblical verses.
It had been said that language is alive because new words come and new meanings emerge, one has to go back to the root of historical writing before coming into conclusive decision as to what means what. -
Lewis asks: "Why, then, did God give them free will?" Why in the world would God give us freedom to choose if He knew people would use that freedom to cause so much frustration in themselves and so much misery in others? "Because free will, though it makes evil possible, is also the only thing that makes possible any love or goodness or joy worth having." Without free will, we would be robots, and God obviously preferred to relate not to machines, but to human beings. Lewis asserts that "the happiness which God designs for His higher creatures is the happiness of being freely, voluntarily united to Him and to each other in an ecstasy of love and delight compared with which the most rapturous love between a man and a woman on this earth is mere milk and water. And for that they must be free."
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oh.. in regards of evil.. is sorta noticed this thing somewhere..
The question should be, why is God not willing to prevent evil? Because evil is a by product of free will, therefore, free will makes evil possible, but, however, due to desire for people to love Him voluntarily on our own course of action, He chose to allow free will to thrive and evil the chance to prosper within a period of time.
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
As much as I agree the importance of free will, I do not agree that God did not create evil; and the question is, is God malevolent and in it such a way, isn't it a type of bending people to His will?[/quote] -
I won't put it this way. There will always be people who denies the existence of God and still others acknowledge that existence but still would not follow God's will.Originally posted by Ito_^:As much as I agree the importance of free will, I do not agree that God did not create evil; and the question is, is God malevolent and in it such a way, isn't it a type of bending people to His will -
If God created Evil, we all wouldn't be here in the first place..LOL..Originally posted by SnowFlag:
so therefore it wouldn't be contradictory.
If God created Evil , then Osama would be right to slaughter those innocent civilians . -
That is one of some possible ways to look at things, the other is that he gave us free-will (which in turn led to evil) out of love, respect of love and the desire for our love that we can choose - which in turn divine respect for us, even if we are the created and not the creator.Originally posted by Chin Eng:I won't put it this way. There will always be people who denies the existence of God and still others acknowledge that existence but still would not follow God's will.
Evil is a by product of the process that will exists only within a limited time frame, the final days when Satan will be defeated again. However, goodness will last for all eternity because God exists, and God is a good God therefore as long He exists, good exist. If God is an evil God, likewise, evil will be eternal. As far as concerned to human wisdom, this is based on an assumption that God is whole good; therefore good will win.
Perhaps the people who refuse to follow God's will is because it is too perfect to be true, just as why did the Bible says all things are possible through Him, yet there are sins that are impossible to forgive. This contradiction of the impossibility of possibility brings a deep doubt in most of us; as the idea of the omnipotent yet unable to perfectly bring free-will without the existence of evil.. bringing back to the impossibility of possibilities. -
Buddism advocates freedom from desire and this madune world. What are your views on Monks?Originally posted by SibeiSuayKia:To Atheists:
You declare your not worshipping anything, but everyone does worship something..Money, Ou xiang, condominium, wife, material stuffs..
Worshipping is not only limited to idols..
Anything that takes the place of God in our lives
Lucifer is right within us, in Humans ourselves..
i admit i got sin and i have evil within myself ,
But i will plead to God to forgive my sins..
Choose to do right!! -
Than what created evil? If evil is within us, and we are God's creation, would what exists in us are considered as God's creation? If evil is the outcome of an angel's coruption, than we must ask what corupted that once bright star which shined so bright in all heavens? Is it not the evil of pride and discontempt? If that is the case, would it not be a creation of something else?Originally posted by SibeiSuayKia:If God created Evil, we all wouldn't be here in the first place..LOL..
so therefore it wouldn't be contradictory.
If God created Evil , then Osama would be right to slaughter those innocent civilians .
In order for us to obtain free will, and having that will to choose, evil exists to let us see the grace of God, as death show us the precious-ness of life, we choose the goodness of God because we know the consequences of Satan.