Got such Law meh?
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You all read the news today? Here I shall quote the relevant section. Cannot copy and paste the whole chunk as ST can sue us for this.
From http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/news/story/0,4386,268492,00.html?The man is being investigated for disturbing a religious assembly - an offence under the Penal Code. He is also under probe for uttering words that hurt the religious feelings of another person. If found guilty, he could be jailed for up to a year for each offence.
The first charge I can accept, but the second one?! Cannot hurt the religious feelings mean christian bashing is illegal?
On the other hand .. these churchgoers also a bit too much .. they violated Christ's one of two greatest commandments "love your neighbors" .. *shakes head*
It is like they emphasize the sabbath over love, going service for the sake of going service etc. During the Lord Supper, when Christ is physically among them, will he take pride in them?
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Which means muslim, hindu.. wadever bashing is illegal. -
Well, legal or not depends on who is saying it. For the man in the streets, it is illegal.
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Why not?
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dunno..Originally posted by Icemoon:You all read the news today? Here I shall quote the relevant section. Cannot copy and paste the whole chunk as ST can sue us for this.
From http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/news/story/0,4386,268492,00.html?
The first charge I can accept, but the second one?! Cannot hurt the religious feelings mean christian bashing is illegal?
On the other hand .. these churchgoers also a bit too much .. they violated Christ's one of two greatest commandments "love your neighbors" .. *shakes head*
It is like they emphasize the sabbath over love, going service for the sake of going service etc. During the Lord Supper, when Christ is physically among them, will he take pride in them?
What good testimony!
luckily i am not one of those who get inconvenienced by brainless and inconsiderate church goers who park their cars as though they own the roads.
these HYPOCRITES go to church to wash their sins and all, but fail to do the smallest kind or considerate act of parking properly. to me, they are no different from someone who kills or rapes ourside and then go to the church to ask for forgiveness.
if the church has limited parking, why cant people either car pool, take the public transport, or park elsewhere? -
easier said than done dude...Originally posted by wuming78:if the church has limited parking, why cant people either car pool, take the public transport, or park elsewhere? -
I think this is the issue:Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:easier said than done dude...The church even made arrangements for people to park at nearby Siglap View, in front of St Stephen's School. It is a five-minute walk away, but few churchgoers park there.
What is so hard about a five minutes walk?
'Most of the cars which park along Siglap Hill are of those who are late and do not want to park far away,' said a church warden. 'Many are also too lazy to walk just a little bit.' -
selfishness and inconsideration, tts why.Originally posted by Icemoon:What is so hard about a five minutes walk?
the priest should condemn all those who do that! shame them for their wrongdoings! let them know that the house of god does not condone such acts!
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actually such incidences are not limited to this Catholic church. On all Fridays near mosques you can see cars double parked. A religious building sees a spike in attendance on special days and most of these cannot afford to have a multilevel carpark built within the compound.
It is obviously wrong for the church-goers to park their cars outside someone's house, but it is equally wrong that some home owners choose to "chop" the empty space on the opposite side of their houses by putting plastic chairs on these empty spaces.
But I must say that it is awakening for the church to understand the need to be considerate in their driving habits and I can understand the frustration of the individual who had waited to have his problem resolved. -
I agree that the drivers are inconsiderate.Originally posted by wuming78:dunno..
luckily i am not one of those who get inconvenienced by brainless and inconsiderate church goers who park their cars as though they own the roads.
these HYPOCRITES go to church to wash their sins and all, but fail to do the smallest kind or considerate act of parking properly. to me, they are no different from someone who kills or rapes ourside and then go to the church to ask for forgiveness.
if the church has limited parking, why cant people either car pool, take the public transport, or park elsewhere?
But being inconsiderate doesn't constitute to being a hypocrite.
And gosh, raping and killing is a totally different category of crime. I'm astounded that you actually say they are no different from not parking properly. If so, does that means a someone who parked illegally should also be sent to the gallows with a murderer? -
if the priest condemn them then people don't wan go his church then he got less donation = close shopOriginally posted by wuming78:selfishness and inconsideration, tts why.
the priest should condemn all those who do that! shame them for their wrongdoings! let them know that the house of god does not condone such acts! 
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of course in terms of severity the crimes are starkly different.Originally posted by skinnybeanie:I agree that the drivers are inconsiderate.
But being inconsiderate doesn't constitute to being a hypocrite.
And gosh, raping and killing is a totally different category of crime. I'm astounded that you actually say they are no different from not parking properly. If so, does that means a someone who parked illegally should also be sent to the gallows with a murderer?
but in terms of mentality of the perpetuator, there may not be that much difference.
when i called them hypocrites, i am thinking of the irony of one who forgets his basic courtesy and consideration, and chooses to inconvenience someone else instead of himself, for an activity like visiting the church, which i deem as sacrosanct. it is especially appalling when the church has made parking arrangements but the visitor refuse to use that just because they refuse to walk a short distance. -
i've long noticed this liao, but ppl always say its a small minority. oh well... these ppl are just being selfish. wonder what they learnt from christ?
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Admonishing the sinner is a spiritual work of mercy. If someone refuses to repent, then might as well not go to any church at all. How can you go to church if you refuse God's mercy?Originally posted by yinjie:if the priest condemn them then people don't wan go his church then he got less donation = close shop -
unfortunately, the problem is, some of those church goers think exactly that way. they see church going as a nice way of being able to account for their daily sins, and the next week, the same old sins all over again. repent? don't think so.Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:Admonishing the sinner is a spiritual work of mercy. If someone refuses to repent, then might as well not go to any church at all. How can you go to church if you refuse God's mercy? -
i feel that all religious bashings shouldn't be in your mind in the first place, after all, we live in singapore, which is a multi racial and multi religion country... even though the person is a free thinker, it doesn't give him the right to shoot his mouth off without considering the feelings of others.
And the congregation is wrong too lah, wah lau, already arrange somewhere for u to park liao, u have personal transport, why can't u come slightly earlier? Aiyoh... -
those ppl are just lazy asses lah... no one shd condemn the whole church/religion for some black sheeps...
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I feel the information given in the article is too little and vague to know for sure what's going on.
The guy had every right to talk to the congregation up front about the problem they're causing him and his neighbours.
Was what he did "interrupting" service, or "disrupting"? Tiny words carry a world of naunces.
And this quote of what he said... 'The church, as the host, should be responsible for its guests and not let them park anywhere they want.' sounds innocent enough, no cause for offence. However, not sure if he said anything else, and if all he said was in this same tone.
I think the organisation should put in more effort in getting its members' cooperation for orderly behavior. After all the members' actions reflect directly on it. -
im so sure those errant parkers considered the feelings of the residents....Originally posted by s|nNeD:i feel that all religious bashings shouldn't be in your mind in the first place, after all, we live in singapore, which is a multi racial and multi religion country... even though the person is a free thinker, it doesn't give him the right to shoot his mouth off without considering the feelings of others.
And the congregation is wrong too lah, wah lau, already arrange somewhere for u to park liao, u have personal transport, why can't u come slightly earlier? Aiyoh... -
agreed.Originally posted by choco B:I feel the information given in the article is too little and vague to know for sure what's going on.
The guy had every right to talk to the congregation up front about the problem they're causing him and his neighbours.
Was what he did "interrupting" service, or "disrupting"? Tiny words carry a world of naunces.
And this quote of what he said... 'The church, as the host, should be responsible for its guests and not let them park anywhere they want.' sounds innocent enough, no cause for offence. However, not sure if he said anything else, and if all he said was in this same tone.
I think the organisation should put in more effort in getting its members' cooperation for orderly behavior. After all the members' actions reflect directly on it. -
the moral of the story is every religions have some incosiderate Bastard
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x2Originally posted by Sir_Horny:the moral of the story is every religions have some incosiderate Bastard
Actually this incident reflects typical Singaporean behaviour rather than behaviour of certain religious groups. -
absolutely. this is by no means a direct attack on the religion itself, but to those inconsiderate and selfish idiots. whether these idiots are muslim, chinese, etc, christian, islam, buddhist, etc, or simply going shopping, eating, etc, they deserve to be condemned.Originally posted by laurence82:x2
Actually this incident reflects typical Singaporean behaviour rather than behaviour of certain religious groups. -
Hmm...there are public law and private law. Public law includes constitutional law and criminal law. In S'pore, the constitution provides fundamental rights of citizens and these include freedom of speech. Criminal law is related to public. That means, any action that threaten the well being of the scoiety fall under this category. Public right is place more importance than individual right in law. Eg...u can sing...is ur right to sing ( individual right)...but if u sing at 4am..the well being of the society is being threaten...then u r consider to have commited an offence...if serious...a crime. So...this guy..has definetely threaten the well being of the society..even though he is personally right. He could have sue the car owner under private law...but he made a wrong move. Even the victims ( church goers) dun wan to sue him...but under crimal law, the victims have no say in whether a person is charged. Only the Attorney General can stop the prosecution.Originally posted by choco B:I feel the information given in the article is too little and vague to know for sure what's going on.
The guy had every right to talk to the congregation up front about the problem they're causing him and his neighbours.
Was what he did "interrupting" service, or "disrupting"? Tiny words carry a world of naunces.
And this quote of what he said... 'The church, as the host, should be responsible for its guests and not let them park anywhere they want.' sounds innocent enough, no cause for offence. However, not sure if he said anything else, and if all he said was in this same tone.
I think the organisation should put in more effort in getting its members' cooperation for orderly behavior. After all the members' actions reflect directly on it.
hope this help.
To all catholics...pls park ur car properly. Amen. -
Funny leh .. how did the police know the incident in the first place?Originally posted by TrU PeAce (^0*)v:Even the victims ( church goers) dun wan to sue him...but under crimal law, the victims have no say in whether a person is charged. Only the Attorney General can stop the prosecution.
Must be someone bao toe mah ..