What is Judaism?
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Can someone tell me wat is Judaism? btw wat does the Jews believe in...are they worshipping the same God as the Christian God??
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rofl, sir horny now horny targetting jewish girls?
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The word Judaism derived from the Hebrew name of Judah, whom is Jacobs' fourth son. Judah became the name of the southern kingdom after the northern ten tribes separated from Judah and Benjamin.
The inhabitants of Judah and members of the tribe of Judah come to be called "Judahites" or, in short form, "Jews"; the religious outlook, beliefs, and practices associated with these people comes to be called "Judaism"
u can check out this page for more info..
http://www.jewfaq.org/judaism.htm -
No.Originally posted by Sir_Horny:Can someone tell me wat is Judaism? btw wat does the Jews believe in...are they worshipping the same God as the Christian God?? -
yes no yes no yes no
i see another endless debate coming up.... -
Debate what? They aren't as many Jews as there are Catholics or non-believers here.
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Look as soon as some people ask whether Jews worship the same God as Christians, I can hear some people start to flip thru some books or surf some webbies liao...Originally posted by Icemoon:Debate what? They aren't as many Jews as there are Catholics or non-believers here. -
There is practically nothing to debate. Most Jews outrightly even vehemently disagree. Christians, upon flipping their books or surfing the websites, will learn to disagree.
So there is no debate. -
no wonder no peace on earth.....
poor ef ai...
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YES. the God of Israel is the God of the Bible and is the God we christians worship.Originally posted by Sir_Horny:Can someone tell me wat is Judaism? btw wat does the Jews believe in...are they worshipping the same God as the Christian God?? -
I thought they share the same OT ? Wait... muslim also share OT too...
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Why not? Do you wish to elaborate?Originally posted by Icemoon:No. -
the 'OT' in the Quran is altered and is not fully identical as the Jews/Christians.Originally posted by stupidissmart:I thought they share the same OT ? Wait... muslim also share OT too... -
double post
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To answer the question whether they worship the same God, it is best to express mathematically, ie. Jews say 'same' for the Christian God and Christians say 'same' for the Jewish God.
Do the Jews believe in the Trinity? No. When the Church was at its infancy, people were struggling with the nature of God, most often with the nature of Jesus. This understanding is very important. You can't sui2 sui2 bian4 bian4 say you share the same God if your understanding is off.
"One God, alone unbegotten, alone everlasting, alone unbegun, alone true, alone having immortality, alone wise, alone good, alone sovereign." Monotheistic God. Follows the Great Shema of Israel also. Sounds pro huh? Sorry, but this is Arianism. May I remind everyone this is a heresy.
On the other hand, Christians can say they share the OT God with the Jews. But cut the crap lah. This affirmation is no more than a polite gesture to make the Christian God more encompassing and less exclusive. The fact is, if you're trying to understand God purely from the OT, you're most likely gonna to arrive at a heresy, like Arianism above. Christians have the benefit of the NT, that's why they can make such statement. Thus such statement is not entirely fair.
May I remind everyone salvation comes from believing Jesus Christ died for your sins. This is the cornerstone of Christianity. God didn't die in the OT. -
The short answer is Christians worship Jesus and most Jews obviously don't.Originally posted by NeonTetra:YES. the God of Israel is the God of the Bible and is the God we christians worship.
So how can we say they worship the same God? Please don't tell me Jesus is not exactly God and I commited the fallacy of equivocation? -
In that case, how did the people in OT period avoid arriving at a heresy?Originally posted by Icemoon:On the other hand, Christians can say they share the OT God with the Jews. But cut the crap lah. This affirmation is no more than a polite gesture to make the Christian God more encompassing and less exclusive. The fact is, if you're trying to understand God purely from the OT, you're most likely gonna to arrive at a heresy, like Arianism above. Christians have the benefit of the NT, that's why they can make such statement. Thus such statement is not entirely fair. -
Heresy in the OT? It is very hard to arrive at a heresy in OT. More likely they turned pagan.
No complicated formula of Trinity in the OT. Instead, the "formula" for God is expressed in [first part of] the Great Shema of Israel - "Hear O' Israel, the Lord your God, the Lord is One".
Jesus had not came down. God had not given the Holy Ghost. -
But one must remember that the Jews are still God's chosen people. All non-Jews are still Gentiles. Gentiles are only called unto salvation all but by God's grace and mercy.
The Jews will one day recognised Jesus as thier Messiah, during the 7 years Tribulation or right on the battle of Armageddon or the Millenium Kingdom, only God knows. -
thanx for the explanation...i think i get wat u mean...yr da bestOriginally posted by Icemoon:The short answer is Christians worship Jesus and most Jews obviously don't.
So how can we say they worship the same God? Please don't tell me Jesus is not exactly God and I commited the fallacy of equivocation?
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The Jewish God is the Christian God.
If we say just because Jesus Christ is not mentioned, Holy Spirit not working in the lives of the people in the Old Testament times and for that reason the God of the Old Testament is not the God Christians worshipped. then its terribly wrong doctrinally.
In the Old Testament, we will read about the Spirit of God moving over the waters(Genesis 1) and in the lives of the prophets and kings God ordained, He send the Holy Spirit to rest upon them to empower them, though for common people this is not the case. We also read about Jewish rites of sacrificing animals and other reference scriptures that foretold the coming of the Messiah. The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is the God we worshipped because all the promise of blessings given to Abraham by God Himself will soon be fufilled in their descendant, Jesus Christ - Son of David.
Therefore, we see a flow from the Old to the New Testament. The God who blessed Abraham and promised him that out of his descendant will come a blessings for all nations. Through the line of Isaac(not Ishmael) will one offspring comes which will be a blessing for all people. Jesus Christ coming to this earth brings this covenant to a fufilment as well as many other prophetic scriptures. The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob has now come in human flesh in the person of the man Jesus Christ. He is fully God and fully Man. The wholeness of God dwells in Him and He is full of grace and truth. The Word which from the beginning with God and is God now made flesh and dwell among us. Jesus still lived the typical Jewish man's life. He observed the Feasts of the LORD and other jewish customs. He teach from the law of moses, He speak about the Old Testament and He Himself being the fufilment of the promise. He is the Messiah the Jewish people have been looking forward.
With that, the Jweish God though still worshipped by the Jews in the Synagouges, is the God we read about in our Bible(Old and New Testaments).
The doctrines of trinity though not expressively taught in Judaism does not mean that the trinity does not exists. It is only in Jesus Christ can the fullness of God be revealed to us. There is no contradicting in any doctrines except that people of Judaism refuse to believe Jesus being the Messiah since He came and die for them on the cross and appear like a looser. The Jews, in their pride and expectations expect to see a powerful warrior as their Messiah, someone of social and political status.
However, more and more Jews have come to realised that Christ is indeed the Savior of the world. We call them Messianic Christians.
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Actually, they are called Messianic Jews. They address themselves as believers rather than Christians because the term "Christians" is associated with the people that persecuted the Jews in history. Likewise, "congregation" is used instead of "church".Originally posted by NeonTetra:However, more and more Jews have come to realised that Christ is indeed the Savior of the world. We call them Messianic Christians.
As for the question whether the Christian God and the Jewish God is the same, I guess the answer is yes and no, depending on how we use the word "same".
Consider three persons, A, B and C. If both A and B knows C. We say A and B know the "same" person. If this is the usage, then the Christian God and the Jewish God is the "same" God.
However, the Christian and Jewish understanding of God is different (a very important difference). So if we use the word "same" to mean "identical", then the Christian God and the Jewish God is not the "same" God.
Philosophically, one can argue that if our understanding of God is different, we worship different Gods. But another person can counter by saying that God is an entity who is independent of our understanding, therefore they are the same God. So goes the endless circle. -
Actually, they are called Messianic Jews.
Yup, this is the correct name to use, not Messianic Christians. Language wise, the term 'messianic christian' is wrong and confusing also. Do you mean there are unmessianic christians? If they are messianic christian, what do you call the typical gentile christian?
They address themselves as believers rather than Christians because the term "Christians" is associated with the people that persecuted the Jews in history.
Darn, why can't they push the blame to the RC instead?
Ok, protestants are also guilty of anti-semitism .. haha
As for the question whether the Christian God and the Jewish God is the same, I guess the answer is yes and no, depending on how we use the word "same".
The original question was whether they worship the same God, not whether the Christian God and Jewish God are the same. These are two different questions altogether. -
A case of misreading the question on my part. Slikha.Originally posted by Icemoon:The original question was whether they worship the same God, not whether the Christian God and Jewish God are the same. These are two different questions altogether. -
Christianity is the completion of Judaism. Jesus came to fufill the law remember? Am I correct or wrong?