Roman Catholism
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I am sad to see so many anti-catholism comments in this forum. May be the government should intervene under the religious harmony act.
My separated brothers and sisters do not forget that the Christian message is love and non judementall. How do you know you are right ? Do not judge but build on your own spiritual life rather than condemn. Remember the Lord's words that not everybody who shout Lord Lord or perform miracles will be saved but those who do His Will - Love.
Whether you like it or not, the Catholic Church is the early Church of Christ. The Church did not invent any new doctrines but contrary many have taken out her teachings passed down from the apostles. They interpret the Bible literally and only read what they want to see rather than the whole picture.
There are many things that we can learn from our separted brothers and sisters and so i hope you can learn from us too.
Watch the MOVIE Mother Theresa of Calcultta and you will see how a true Christian should behave. -
Don't be too concerned abt the anti-catholism comments in this forum. It's just a small part of it. For every religion, there will always be detractors, not only Catholism. So just continue to be strong in yr faith.
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Yup, sliew, just hold on to your faith.
Let neither defractors nor hypocrites make you stray away from your beliefs.
Btw, is the movie out on vcds? -
oops, shld have posted here instead of posting at cross posted post, solly ef ai
My reply from another post
sliew, to add on to your post.
I am not sure how much of jurisdiction can the goverment have over internet content, especially with regards to using the religious harmony act.
Since its mabbe quite limited, some people use this chance to profess their hypocritical views on other religions here, which they couldnt do outside since they could be immediately be held under citizen arrest by people who are listening.
But it will be helpful to post some legal statutes here so that we can see how much of that act has been flouted here.
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alamak, spell wrongly ah. It's spelt as Catholicism.
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firstly, i am not for ecumenism.
secondly, please make sure your church history is correct. The church that Jesus builds and how the Catholic church came about is a different church.
thirdly, when i do apply judgment, it is not my view point. It is what the Bible says. The Bible judge, i am just the messenger. if needed, i can always quote you the source. -
brother...dun try this laOriginally posted by ventin:firstly, i am not for ecumenism.
secondly, please make sure your church history is correct. The church that Jesus builds and how the Catholic church came about is a different church.
thirdly, when i do apply judgment, it is not my view point. It is what the Bible says. The Bible judge, i am just the messenger. if needed, i can always quote you the source.
i did tt a few posts before....ppl will say u r jus being insensitive and bible bash other faiths.... -
Originally posted by NeonTetra:brother...dun try this la
i did tt a few posts before....ppl will say u r jus being insensitive and bible bash other faiths....
did I miss something here???? didn't understand ventin's message.
To address ventin's question, the church we see now is also very different from the one that Jesus's build, structurally.
Granted, the popes of the past may have committed lots of mistakes, church leaders nowadays are also not free from bungling either. -
can people dun follow Leaders and systems...like the error commited by early church..some follow Paul, some Apollos.....did these ppl die for u?Originally posted by Chin Eng: did I miss something here???? didn't understand ventin's message.
To address ventin's question, the church we see now is also very different from the one that Jesus's build, structurally.
Granted, the popes of the past may have committed lots of mistakes, church leaders nowadays are also not free from bungling either.
JESUS CHRIST did and Him alone....follow Him. Not charismatic, methodist or anglican watever...not Benny Hinn, Kong Hee, Prince, Pope..watever.....
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Theoretically ideal.... but humanly difficult. How to do? Bible tells us to meet together regularly (Hebrews). Once we meet sure have to elect leader. Bible also tells us leaders are elected, even go as far as to set the rules for the office of the leaders (letters of Paul). So historically there are leaders and systems. Problem happens when leaders not close to God, or leaders choose to exalt themselves before God.Originally posted by NeonTetra:can people dun follow Leaders and systems...like the error commited by early church..some follow Paul, some Apollos.....did these ppl die for u?
JESUS CHRIST did and Him alone....follow Him. Not charismatic, methodist or anglican watever...not Benny Hinn, Kong Hee, Prince, Pope..watever..... 
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Leader shld act like router....bring ppl not to themselves but to God. some of them act like absorber....attract people's attention and bring them to him/herself.Originally posted by Chin Eng:Theoretically ideal.... but humanly difficult. How to do? Bible tells us to meet together regularly (Hebrews). Once we meet sure have to elect leader. Bible also tells us leaders are elected, even go as far as to set the rules for the office of the leaders (letters of Paul). So historically there are leaders and systems. Problem happens when leaders not close to God, or leaders choose to exalt themselves before God.
Christ is the Head of the Church, His Body....how many ppl out there truly understands this?????? -
You are so right... which is why I prefer the mainstream denominations where the checks and measures are in place.Originally posted by NeonTetra:Leader shld act like router....bring ppl not to themselves but to God. some of them act like absorber....attract people's attention and bring them to him/herself.
Christ is the Head of the Church, His Body....how many ppl out there truly understands this??????
Most of the pastors in my church really cares for the congregation and do not call attention to themselves but worked very hard in work for God, passionately. -
Originally posted by Chin Eng:You are so right... which is why I prefer the mainstream denominations where the checks and measures are in place.
Most of the pastors in my church really cares for the congregation and do not call attention to themselves but worked very hard in work for God, passionately.
sad to see some churches use charisma to draw crowds and hype stuffs to make ppl feel ego abt being the member of tt church.
given a simple atap house as a church...no pews..only sandy grounds to sit on.....no bands...jus a voice to sing.....
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Originally posted by NeonTetra:
sad to see some churches use charisma to draw crowds and hype stuffs to make ppl feel ego abt being the member of tt church.
given a simple atap house as a church...no pews..only sandy grounds to sit on.....no bands...jus a voice to sing.....
how many ppl bother to worship God in that church? yup, still don't understand why churches need to upgrade their not-perfect, but still working sound system. Cannot assume God cannot hear their praises.....
I think basic amenities can be expected, ie air con, working microphone, but a 32 channel sound mixer for a congregation of less than 150.... I know this for a fact... some more want sound room for recording.... -
There's no love if there is no truth.
So for those churches that only preaches Love love love love and more love but leave the doctrines and the biblical truth in a corner, you have to be very careful. -
yup, still don't understand why churches need to upgrade their not-perfect, but still working sound system. Cannot assume God cannot hear their praises.....
Because they have too much money and do not know how to spend it. If they don't spend on the stereo, they will spend it on buying a new fountain or build a new church even though the old one is still beautiful. Next time maybe they have osim chairs for the members during mass
I think basic amenities can be expected, ie air con, working microphone, but a 32 channel sound mixer for a congregation of less than 150.... I know this for a fact... some more want sound room for recording.... -
Please look out for me on this one. I will rush to join this church. Got bad back.Originally posted by stupidissmart:Next time maybe they have osim chairs for the members during mass -
From the look of city harvest... it seems tat they can afford it but just didn't do it. Anyway my begiining of the statement starts with a "may" and not "confirm"
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I know you were kidding, so was I...Originally posted by stupidissmart:From the look of city harvest... it seems tat they can afford it but just didn't do it. Anyway my begiining of the statement starts with a "may" and not "confirm"
Relak.... tough day at work.... sigh -
i mean RC is started by Constantine in his attempt to conquer the world. different founder and hence different agenda
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Roman Catholicism started by Constantine? Friend, where did you get your sources from??? Tracts handed out by certain churches? I have read one of them, and it happens to be printed by a certain mission in Singapore.... Anti-Catholicism is alive and kicking eh?...Originally posted by ventin:i mean RC is started by Constantine in his attempt to conquer the world. different founder and hence different agenda -
Where did you get this info from ? Which is your church ? Nobody even in mainstream protestant de nominations agrees with you ( or may be yours is not )Originally posted by ventin:i mean RC is started by Constantine in his attempt to conquer the world. different founder and hence different agenda
Pls go to Rome, Israel, Palestine etc and look at Christianity there. Or go to Iraq then the 'babylon', only Catholics are there and can be traced back to the apostles. can your church trace back ?
As i have said, the bible did not exists after a hundreds years or more... It was the Pope and the RC Church who put these letters together. If they are wrong then you are also reading the wrong bible now.
It is fruitless to argue on all these points. The basic tenat is to follow God commandments - Love your God, Love your enemy. If you do this, i don't care whether you are Catholic or not. The apostolic Church still loves you.
Ask yourself and your pastor deep in your own conscious, are you arging over this in order to create polarity ie draw people away from RC to join your church - a marketing tool we learn from school. Bad mouthing others to boost your own self esteem. -
Aren't we all brothers and sisters in Christ? Don't we all worship the same God? why must there be a rift between Roman Catholics and the Protestants?
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I agree. While I am an extremely entrenched Protestant and some of the RC's doctrines are extremely far-out to me, I am not sure what is achieved by the continual arguments and counter-arguments from both camps.Originally posted by frOst^~^nOva:Aren't we all brothers and sisters in Christ? Don't we all worship the same God? why must there be a rift between Roman Catholics and the Protestants?
No one is certain (at least not me) whether Constantine or Peter founded the RC, or perhaps Dan Brown's conspiracy thoery is correct (refer to Dan Brown's best seller "Da Vinci Code"), the prolong argument accomplishes nothing here. -
Did his book say that the RC is founded by Constantine? What else does his book say....Originally posted by Chin Eng:I agree. While I am an extremely entrenched Protestant and some of the RC's doctrines are extremely far-out to me, I am not sure what is achieved by the continual arguments and counter-arguments from both camps.
No one is certain (at least not me) whether Constantine or Peter founded the RC, or perhaps Dan Brown's conspiracy thoery is correct (refer to Dan Brown's best seller "Da Vinci Code"), the prolong argument accomplishes nothing here.