if you have a problem with talking and laughing loudly, pls find a ship, goes to some un-occupied island. We are christians, yes, we are also normal human beings, it is people like you that make us being labeled as weirdos. and yeah, when we do sing is public, i see no wrong in it, ok, maybe taking out a guitar and strumming in the bus is somewhat extream, but taking out a guitar and singing in a park is perfectly ok, and pls, using "christians" to describe this people you are talking about is perfectly graceless, i prefer to use Christians, with out the quatations, because they, are also believers like you and IOriginally posted by karn123:Hi, not sure if the following topics has already been posted, if so please forgive me
Anyway, the 'young' here means age as well as Christians new to the Faith. I just wanted to bring to attention that when you believe and devote yourself to Him, that people outside the Faith will inevitably be looking at you as if you represent the entire Christian faith.
So whenever you're in public, I sincerely hope that you guys can try to behave as such to glorify Him, and not 'disgrace'. I have seen young Christians in public, behaving no different from ah bengs (at least to the general public). I am sure fellow Christians will just see you as living life without fear for He is with you, and being not shy to declare your faith in Him. I am not trying to be legalistic or controlling, but do you not think that by behaving as such, it would reflect badly on yourself and others of your faith? I have seen such 'Christians' talking loudly, laughing, taking out their guitar and strumming , disturbing the peace on public transport. I mean, without the Christian talk, anyone would just look to them as regular ah bengs and ah lians, wreaking havoc on the train. Knowing them as Christians made it worse I think though. Singing to glorify Him is fine, but I dont see how doing it in public disturbing others, being inconsiderate, can do this...
Gosh, I hope I dont sound like an old fuddy duddy to some of you but I hope I get my point across. Youth is youth but theres a difference between being bold and being an annoyance to others. I am sure He would forgive you for He is all forgiving; but doing something wrong knowing it is wrong and then asking for forgiveness later is kind of... wrong
Myself? I am a believer, not baptised and maybe even not as devout as some of you but at least I know I behave to glorify Him. I hope those Christians I saw will grow out of it soon.
Hope I don't come across as being too judgemental...
ps: I dont mean to stumble any of you. Just speaking my mind.
~God Bless~
In all fairness, I do not think karn123 has any issue with people laughing and talking loudly in a public park, so you should not take his comments out of context. There is a place for everything and while we are to praise God in all that we do, it would be extremely unruly to hold a praise and worship session in the MRT train. I have seen Christians seating at the floor of the train and have "Christian" fellowship. In my church where various small groups share the use of the rooms, young adults leave the rooms in a sadder state than the primary school children. Opened snack packs, sweet wrappers are indiscriminately left on tables and on the floor. One particular young Christian couple is constantly in a hugging, touchy/feely position throughout worship service.Originally posted by snk86:if you have a problem with talking and laughing loudly, pls find a ship, goes to some un-occupied island. We are christians, yes, we are also normal human beings, it is people like you that make us being labeled as weirdos. and yeah, when we do sing is public, i see no wrong in it, ok, maybe taking out a guitar and strumming in the bus is somewhat extream, but taking out a guitar and singing in a park is perfectly ok, and pls, using "christians" to describe this people you are talking about is perfectly graceless, i prefer to use Christians, with out the quatations, because they, are also believers like you and I
x 2Originally posted by Chin Eng:In all fairness, I do not think karn123 has any issue with people laughing and talking loudly in a public park, so you should not take his comments out of context. There is a place for everything and while we are to praise God in all that we do, it would be extremely unruly to hold a praise and worship session in the MRT train. I have seen Christians seating at the floor of the train and have "Christian" fellowship. In my church where various small groups share the use of the rooms, young adults leave the rooms in a sadder state than the primary school children. Opened snack packs, sweet wrappers are indiscriminately left on tables and on the floor. One particular young Christian couple is constantly in a hugging, touchy/feely position throughout worship service.
The point that karn123 is trying to make is that Christian (of all ages?) must be very aware of their public behaviour, and youthful enthusiasm should not be the sacrifice of their Christian testimony.
I am think it's young Christian as in youths. "Spiritually Young" Christians are not too easily visually identified.Originally posted by M©+square:I'm quite disturbed to have found in the context.
Karn123 had addressed the issue onto young Christian as in youths or Youth Christians as in spiritual sense?
I can't help but to conclude from the post that youths = immature.
Please shed more light in this subject.
well, a nuisance is a nuisance, christians or otherwise. think it's more of an issue wif public youth education/upbringing rather then religion based?Originally posted by karn123:I could just care less if they were indeed just some non believers making noise and being rowdy, but in fact they were not.
... that's one way of looking at it. The other way is that Christians are suppose to have a higher standard of discipline (sorry if it sound extremely obnoxious in that last statement). One of the important yardstick when being seen as a Christian is the measurement of self-discipline.Originally posted by marlboro:well, a nuisance is a nuisance, christians or otherwise. think it's more of an issue wif public youth education/upbringing rather then religion based?
So those christians who are inconsiderate on Sundays, talk loudly, anyhow park their cars ... shouldn't they be thrown out of church?Originally posted by Chin Eng:... that's one way of looking at it. The other way is that Christians are suppose to have a higher standard of discipline
rebuke gently in love and correct their mistakes...the world has enough of condemnations...they dun come to church to get another.Originally posted by Icemoon:So those christians who are inconsiderate on Sundays, talk loudly, anyhow park their cars ... shouldn't they be thrown out of church?
I see two different scenarios here. One, which is the actual point of this topic, is the behaviour of Christians in the public eyes. Much had been discussed about this already.Originally posted by Icemoon:So those christians who are inconsiderate on Sundays, talk loudly, anyhow park their cars ... shouldn't they be thrown out of church?
Indeed, the perception 'spiritually young' were unfortunately brought together with youths.Originally posted by Chin Eng:I am think it's young Christian as in youths. "Spiritually Young" Christians are not too easily visually identified.
You are right that it is disturbing. But I don't think it is really a "Christian" issue, it is probably more of an upbringing issues.
Other then offering the good news to others. I don't see how the others may be offensive to the non believers.Kids in my church are seen kicking a ball in the utility hall right in front of their parents' eyes and none of these "older" Christian do or say anything about them. The ball will be seen flying all over the place sometimes hitting other innocent bystanders.[/quote]
I was one of them in the past. Guilty.
Ahh well...Parents should stop actually.On one hand such parents will be proclaiming how wonderfully spiritually strong such children are during cell group meetings when they lead songs and on the other hand, the same children will be using profane words they pick up from school when they speak among themselvesThere's no need for parents to promote their children anymore when the youths themselves automatically displayed such reverence and adoration onto a worship service and throughout the service, yet forsaken their 'godly' behaviour during weekdays.
It is really of great ponderance to how hyprocritical one can become.
This statement applies to all ages.
Then again, i heard from a friend of mine that Sunday is an expression....the rest of the days are true impressions.The same is true for teenage Christians. They will be seen clutching on to the thick Bible but other than that one piece of accessory, their dressing and conduct speaks nothing of their faith.Again i'll try my best to defend youths and this statement of yours speaks onto all ages.
[quote]Originally posted by NeonTetra:yup....Christians must live out their faith....in a manner that is suitable. Preaching the good news, praying and reading His Word...no matter how offensive it seems to others. Behaving in a nuisance way such as singing songs loud out there....if the songs has been changed into secular music and the christians being someone else...hmm...i wonder?
Oh yes! Why not? A Church is able.Originally posted by Chin Eng:Unfortunately, the church is one of the few institutions where there are so many rules that cannot be REINFORCED officially.
Yeah lah! Actually tough to reinforce 'cos say too much, others will accuse you of not having enough "love" and being too legalistic.Originally posted by M©+square:Oh yes! Why not? A Church is able.
But Christianity is unable, and it's fortunate thing!
Rule were made in hope to ease problems not create further problems and unrest which i see in many churches.
No disagreement on this point. Which is why I mentioned parents who don't discipline their kids.Originally posted by M©+square:quote:
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The same is true for teenage Christians. They will be seen clutching on to the thick Bible but other than that one piece of accessory, their dressing and conduct speaks nothing of their faith.
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Again i'll try my best to defend youths and this statement of yours speaks onto all ages.