What does Roman Catholics believe in?
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Here's the thread.
Feel free to comment. Personally, i would like to hear discussion/opinions from both sides about topics such as the
- Role of Mary
- Role of Pope
- Purgatory
- Eucharist
- Priesthood (another form of Christ)
- Ecumenical Movement (One World Religion)
- any other thing
I am a Christian and would like postings from Roman Catholics. -
Role of Mary
Holy Mary, Mother of God.. she is the Immaculate Conception, one who was born without sin for the sole purpose of bearing the Christ. she is NOT worshipped but revered... the belief is that she will intercede for us
Role of Pope
head of the Church.. there is this doctrine of "infallability" or something (not too sure coz i'm a lousy example of a catholic)
Purgatory
a place of temporal punishment where venial sins were not repented or paid for but the person died in the grace of God..
Eucharist
this is my body, this is my blood..
Priesthood (another form of Christ)
a priest is the one who is inferred the powers to offer up the Sacrifice of the Mass and other sacraments...
Ecumenical Movement (One World Religion)
this catholic isn't that cheem to think of such things.. this is one for the bishops and all that of the Church -
both sides?Originally posted by fandango:Here's the thread.
Feel free to comment. Personally, i would like to hear discussion/opinions from both sides about topics such as the
- Role of Mary
- Role of Pope
- Purgatory
- Eucharist
- Priesthood (another form of Christ)
- Ecumenical Movement (One World Religion)
- any other thing
I am a Christian and would like postings from Roman Catholics. -
yes from both sides
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u surely know that there's going to be different views..so why start the thread in the first place?Originally posted by fandango:yes from both sides -
To educate both sides so people like dumbdumb will learn to appreciate Catholic theology better.
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i don't appreciate it, because its wrong. i give the same answer to satanist.Originally posted by Icemoon:To educate both sides so people like dumbdumb will learn to appreciate Catholic theology better.
unless u can tell me why it is right, according to the bible. if its not. its wrong. -
Yo, I noticed that you don't like the Catholic Church. Would you like to share why?Originally posted by dumbdumb!:i don't appreciate it, because its wrong. i give the same answer to satanist.
unless u can tell me why it is right, according to the bible. if its not. its wrong. -
There are different school of thoughts in catholism, just like there in christianity. There are different practises, and different doctrines in different catholic churches.Originally posted by dumbdumb!:i don't appreciate it, because its wrong. i give the same answer to satanist.
unless u can tell me why it is right, according to the bible. if its not. its wrong.
It is unfair for you to blantanly say all of them are doctrinally wrong. Just like it's unfair to say all christians are like the JWs.
From my understanding....a lot of catholic churches in singapore are teaching the right doctrine and only differ on the minor, unimportant issues. But dun quote me for it. -
There are different school of thoughts in catholism, just like there in christianity. There are different practises, and different doctrines in different catholic churches.
Don't the Pontifex Maximus set the rules? -
Originally posted by Icemoon:
Sorry ah....i not very theologist yet......what's Pontifex Maximus? Sounds like the name of a muscle group.
[b]There are different school of thoughts in catholism, just like there in christianity. There are different practises, and different doctrines in different catholic churches.
Don't the Pontifex Maximus set the rules?[/b]
To my understanding, there is a central doctrinal guide if that's what you mean from the Vactican in the Catholic church. But it is to my understanding that it is not followed as strictly as thought. That's why you see there are things like pentocostal catholics.
The practise of different catholic churchs can be quite different, or maybe even doctrinally different. So you have some catholics who are very "christian-like" and some who are quite erm...dodgy. But to take any example is far from conclusive.
Catholics are innocent till proven guilty, saved till proven otherwise, in my humble opinion. -
Sorry ah....i not very theologist yet......what's Pontifex Maximus? Sounds like the name of a muscle group.
Sorry la, must sound "cheam" once in a while, or someone will say I everything also dunno.
No, the name is more historical than theological. Depending on how you look at it, it may be a derogatory name for the Pope.
Simply put, the Pontifex Maximus was the head of the Roman religion during the Roman Republic. -
What I think.
The first pope was Peter. I think it started out as the right motives but as the time passed it just became corrupted. I dont know, again never really studied this.
The ecumenicial movement, I believe, started not with the catholics. It came up something during the 1960s when churches strived to have national council of churches and world council of churchs. The movement is flawed in many ways.
Btw, Fandango, I think you and everyone else should state what denomination you are from or a non-denominational christian, if you want to state it. Catholics are actually classified under christians just at the mormons, jv and others are. -
Originally posted by Icemoon:
Ah...the Pope...the most sensitive topic
[b]Sorry ah....i not very theologist yet......what's Pontifex Maximus? Sounds like the name of a muscle group.
Sorry la, must sound "cheam" once in a while, or someone will say I everything also dunno.
No, the name is more historical than theological. Depending on how you look at it, it may be a derogatory name for the Pope.
Simply put, the Pontifex Maximus was the head of the Roman religion during the Roman Republic.[/b]
well, from what I understand, the Pope extends an influence but not control over the churches. So difference catholic churches does teach different doctrines.
And apparently, the "infallible" part is not as extreme as some christians make it sound like. No catholic really believe the Pope is perfect. But Infallibility has got to do with Canon Law passing and Legistration. So more of an administrative tool apparently.
I think all this unnecessary friction is when both sides are too quick to attack each other without finding out properly what each is about. I know some catholics who think that christians are not saved as well.
Now my opinion is, the world needs the church bad enough. So are we gonna win over each other or win over the world? -
a Catholic term 'Ex Cathedra' when quoted by the Pope means that watever he says are to be taken as doctrinal. That is when we come to see the dogma of the Immaculate Conception when the Pope declare that the doctrine of the Virgin Mary being conceived without sin is to be beleived by all Catholics..Originally posted by Himbo:Ah...the Pope...the most sensitive topic
well, from what I understand, the Pope extends an influence but not control over the churches. So difference catholic churches does teach different doctrines.
And apparently, the "infallible" part is not as extreme as some christians make it sound like. No catholic really believe the Pope is perfect. But Infallibility has got to do with Canon Law passing and Legistration. So more of an administrative tool apparently.
I think all this unnecessary friction is when both sides are too quick to attack each other without finding out properly what each is about. I know some catholics who think that christians are not saved as well.
Now my opinion is, the world needs the church bad enough. So are we gonna win over each other or win over the world?
Ex Cathedra definition from Catholic Encyclopedia
Immaculate Conception dogma's history -
Yah. I think that's their "solution". Because everyone will read and interprete the bible differently so as organisation, they need a "final say" on any issue. And they choose the Pope.Originally posted by NeonTetra:a Catholic term 'Ex Cathedra' when quoted by the Pope means that watever he says are to be taken as doctrinal. That is when we come to see the dogma of the Immaculate Conception when the Pope declare that the doctrine of the Virgin Mary being conceived without sin is to be beleived by all Catholics..
But I dun think that mean the Pope can happily say whatever he wants and make it doctrinal. The Vactican has a lot of politics and operates like a government really. The details of their operations i do not know. Just like in any church if there is difference in opinions, what the senior pastor says goes in the end. Just that this is at a much bigger scale. -
I think it is a good idea suggested by Guest009 to state your background because it will allow others to see where you are coming from.
I am a Christian. Presbyterian. -
I am a Christian. Presbyterian.
Last night was so funny! dumbdumb bashed your belief and denomination by saying predestination is crap.
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I am a Baptist. If Mary is the Mother of God, then how is God the beginning and the end? pls explain!
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I am Christian... tired.
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Icemoon, yeah i was pretty surprised as well by dumbdumb's posting.
Sure like to know what is his background.
So far in this thread, there aint any Roman Catholics providing some opinions. Hope that they will be able to participate. -
double post
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My dear friend. Is Jesus God? We all know he is. So if Mary is the mother of Jesus, is she not the mother of God?Originally posted by ventin:I am a Baptist. If Mary is the Mother of God, then how is God the beginning and the end? pls explain!
FYI , Mary is called Mother of God because Jesus Christ her son who was born of her as man is not only man but is also truly God. Mary is not a goddess. She is as human as our own mothers. The big difference lies in the sons - Mary's Son and our mothers' sons. Mary's Son is the Son of God! Our mothers' sons are human, very human. How true then were the words of the cousin Elizabeth when she greeted Mary in the Gospel, "Blessed are you amongst women and blessed is thy fruit of your womb. And why is this granted me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?" (Luke 1:42-43)
By the way, I am Catholic. -
I am an ex-catholic, now Protestant.Originally posted by fandango:Here's the thread.
Feel free to comment. Personally, i would like to hear discussion/opinions from both sides about topics such as the
- Role of Mary
Mary according to RC doctrine is not only Mother of God, Queen of Heaven, she is also seen as Mediatrix (co-redeemer together with Christ).
There are several other titles given to her.....
- Role of Pope
Perhaps this is one of the basic difference between the Anglican and RC other than the Protestant faith of the Anglican church, Anglican church do not have a Pope.
RC see the Pope as the Holy Father, highest authority in the RC system. He has the authority to canonise people into saints, declare dogmas and revise the Catholic doctrines together with other cardinals and clergymen. He is believed to be the successor of St Peter.
- Purgatory
A RC teaching of a temporal place of torment until a soul id purified and fit for heaven. Some bible verses are quoted but there do not seemed to be any firm ground on this doctrine given the finish and perfect work of Christ on the cross. It is the cause of indulgences.
- Eucharist
Unlike Protestants who see the Elements as simply bread and wine in remembrance of the Lord's Supper. The RC see Eucharist as a miraculous experience in which the substance of bread and wine becomes truly the flesh and blood of Christ although the outward appearance remains the same(transubstantiation).
- Priesthood (another form of Christ)
Celibacy and vow of poverty are required to become priests. They have the authority to pardon sins in the sacrament of reconciliation (confession)
- Ecumenical Movement (One World Religion)
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- any other thing
I am a Christian and would like postings from Roman Catholics. -
i also noticed that NIV(new international version) bible has removed some books unlike the catholic bible.Tink it also applies for the king james vers. too.Been wondering why...