Respect
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churches nowadays have baby room...at least my church has one. for mothers who need to feed their baby or change napkins and also a room to hush them down when they cry.
other than that..children are children and will be playful at times, parents bringing kids to worship service should keep an eye on them and if needed, discipline them accordingly. To be able to behave and keep quiet during service is part of christian upbringing and should not be neglected. -
Dis is common in US.Originally posted by audlenelee:
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pounding chest = respect?Originally posted by Bontakun:Dis is common in US.
then those hairy animals in da zoo VERY respectful...
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Pounding 2 times... more than dat is smth else liao...Originally posted by audlenelee:pounding chest = respect?
then those hairy animals in da zoo VERY respectful...
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just wondering....
if it were our own kid running around and screeching at the top of their voice during worship, will we simply say that "kids will be kids, should be patience and forgive them...."
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will we admit that we failed to discipline and that the kid was very distracting being disrespectful???
how will we respond?? I wonder....just wondering....
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Some people may say the kid is filled with the Holy Spirit.
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be careful of ur words.Originally posted by Icemoon:Some people may say the kid is filled with the Holy Spirit. -
Sorry for the brash posting.
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its ok. just don do that again.Originally posted by Icemoon:Sorry for the brash posting. 
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I certainly don't expect children to sit about ramroad straight and be dead quiet for one plus hours, at the same time, it's no excuse for treating the time as play time.
I think what we need to find is balance, to teach the little ones respect for God, not superficial outward behaviour of quietness and I think the rest is history. Because doing so might just make them disgrunted later in life. -
My children WILL HAVE NO EXCUSE TO RUN AROUND ANYWHERE except in places designated for this activity, eg school field, playground, running track.Originally posted by KittynMeow:just wondering....
if it were our own kid running around and screeching at the top of their voice during worship, will we simply say that "kids will be kids, should be patience and forgive them...."
OR..
will we admit that we failed to discipline and that the kid was very distracting being disrespectful???
how will we respond?? I wonder....just wondering....
During worship service, if they have to say something important, it has to be done in whispers, eg "may I go to the toilet", or "what does this hymn mean". They are taught to respect the occasion (any occasion) at a young age.
Even at home, they are not allowed to run from room to hall. If this is not controlled, it will just be an accident waiting to happen.
I do not understand why parents allow their children to run around even at restaurants where waiters are trying to serve hot food.
One time I witnessed hot soup poured onto a child because the child was left unattended.
Another time, a child stuffed her pretty little hands into the dry ice container before the wedding march in a hotel restaurant. She was in the hospital, intensive care with her hands totally bandaged for about 2 weeks. Parents wanted to sue the hotel. Duh!
Point is, there is a place for everything, church, restaurants, and the MRT are NOT PLACES for a child to express his creativity or freedom. -
Originally posted by Chin Eng:
wah strict parent.....
My children WILL HAVE NO EXCUSE TO RUN AROUND [b]ANYWHERE except in places designated for this activity, eg school field, playground, running track.
During worship service, if they have to say something important, it has to be done in whispers, eg "may I go to the toilet", or "what does this hymn mean". They are taught to respect the occasion (any occasion) at a young age.
Even at home, they are not allowed to run from room to hall. If this is not controlled, it will just be an accident waiting to happen.
I do not understand why parents allow their children to run around even at restaurants where waiters are trying to serve hot food.
One time I witnessed hot soup poured onto a child because the child was left unattended.
Another time, a child stuffed her pretty little hands into the dry ice container before the wedding march in a hotel restaurant. She was in the hospital, intensive care with her hands totally bandaged for about 2 weeks. Parents wanted to sue the hotel. Duh!
Point is, there is a place for everything, church, restaurants, and the MRT are NOT PLACES for a child to express his creativity or freedom.[/b]
reminds me of the time when i was young, if I ever moved an inch out of permission, it means I'll get the cane when i reach home... so usually sitting on the bus really means sit still, keep quiet and hang on tight to that safety bar.... -
Originally posted by Chin Eng:
like u, i believe that when it's time for play, play hard! but when u're not supposed to, dun do it... i dun think i can tolerate kids misbehaving at the wrong place n time, wat's more for my own?
My children WILL HAVE NO EXCUSE TO RUN AROUND [b]ANYWHERE except in places designated for this activity, eg school field, playground, running track.
During worship service, if they have to say something important, it has to be done in whispers, eg "may I go to the toilet", or "what does this hymn mean". They are taught to respect the occasion (any occasion) at a young age.
Even at home, they are not allowed to run from room to hall. If this is not controlled, it will just be an accident waiting to happen.
I do not understand why parents allow their children to run around even at restaurants where waiters are trying to serve hot food.
One time I witnessed hot soup poured onto a child because the child was left unattended.
Another time, a child stuffed her pretty little hands into the dry ice container before the wedding march in a hotel restaurant. She was in the hospital, intensive care with her hands totally bandaged for about 2 weeks. Parents wanted to sue the hotel. Duh!
Point is, there is a place for everything, church, restaurants, and the MRT are NOT PLACES for a child to express his creativity or freedom.[/b]
i think my kids will have a hard time..
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Strict, but not unreasonable.
One of the biggest problem in bring up children nowadays is the issue of overindulgence, ie, allowing children to do whatever they want, whenever they want. It inculcates the "me-first" mentality. Children must learn that the world does not revolve around them only. Whatever course of action they choose to take, there are consequences, some of which are irreversible. They need to understand this. Are we happy with children running up and down the aisle of the MRT? Screaming at the top of their voice if they do not get what they want at the toy shop? Disrespectful to the elders within the family?
Disciplining children is not done solely for the purpose of control, or so that they do not make a scene. It is a method of equipping them with the necessary social skiils that when these children grow up they can cope with life better.
While disciplining may have involved the cane at some point in time, it does not have to be that way all the time. Counselling and communication and lots of love are equally important too. -
not exactly strict......but be firm.....
i often see moms yelling at their kids, even pulling their ears as if wanting to rip it off and slapping them in public.......
kids oso have zi zun xin.....want to punish at least go home then punish mah.......
yah.....kids are pretty spoilt these days......esp those families with both parents working.....parents "show" their care and concern by buying toys for them and bringing them out on weekends to play.....
there wun be a bond between them and when the kid is older, it will be bery difficult for them to communicate....
those tt dump kids with in-laws.....and being grandma and grandpa....they bery teng the kids......dun bear to punish or scold.....
used to work at a child-care centre.....and i was amazed by how some kids can even scold their parents and the parents jus smile smile and treat it as nothing........ -
discipline is a good thing
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Perhaps you are right, firm is a better word than strict.Originally posted by FireIce:not exactly strict......but be firm.....
i often see moms yelling at their kids, even pulling their ears as if wanting to rip it off and slapping them in public.......
kids oso have zi zun xin.....want to punish at least go home then punish mah.......
yah.....kids are pretty spoilt these days......esp those families with both parents working.....parents "show" their care and concern by buying toys for them and bringing them out on weekends to play.....
there wun be a bond between them and when the kid is older, it will be bery difficult for them to communicate....
those tt dump kids with in-laws.....and being grandma and grandpa....they bery teng the kids......dun bear to punish or scold.....
used to work at a child-care centre.....and i was amazed by how some kids can even scold their parents and the parents jus smile smile and treat it as nothing........
Then I am a FIRM father.
You are right too, about the "self-respect" thing. Whatever disciplining should be done indoors. No point in the parent screaming his/her head off in a public place. Break the bad habit, not the spirit of the child.
One important issue to note: when discipline is meted out, the parent concern should NOT FEEL RAGE within him. Once there is rage, the discipline process has lost it's meaning. It will evolved to just beating the crap out of the child for the sake of releasing the pent out frustration. However, this is not a simple emotion to overcome or control. I'd advice walking away the moment the anger turns to rage.
If a parent loses control of his child at a tender kindergarten-going age what other influence can he claim to have when this child turns into a teenager.
Instill enough self-discipline in a child at a young age, you will never have to worry too much about him when he grows up.
My children and me? We are best of friends.... -
very true, my granny is a classic example on how grandparents go to the extend of doting their grandchildren... ...Originally posted by FireIce:not exactly strict......but be firm.....
i often see moms yelling at their kids, even pulling their ears as if wanting to rip it off and slapping them in public.......
kids oso have zi zun xin.....want to punish at least go home then punish mah.......
yah.....kids are pretty spoilt these days......esp those families with both parents working.....parents "show" their care and concern by buying toys for them and bringing them out on weekends to play.....
there wun be a bond between them and when the kid is older, it will be bery difficult for them to communicate....
those tt dump kids with in-laws.....and being grandma and grandpa....they bery teng the kids......dun bear to punish or scold.....
used to work at a child-care centre.....and i was amazed by how some kids can even scold their parents and the parents jus smile smile and treat it as nothing........
already starting to wonder if given my 'pattern', be able to raise a child in proper hands, with disclipline..... i think i be like some aunties yelling at them and they still ignore me.. it means i must choose a firmer husband liao like that... hahahaha -
I absolutely agree that discipline is necessary and it would be best to start young. There are so many occassions when siren-blaring hysterical kids were mad on the loose in places where peace, reverence or safety are of concern. I passed and pledged within, my children in future shall not take in these examples, they must learn there are right things for the right time, as there are play time so there be quiet ones. Such I feel is best over anything they cry-whine for.
Chin Eng, your children (2?) are blessed to have you lovingly guide them. Did you ever take parenting lessons? Disciplining them is a rewarding but tough experience isn't it, since both the parent and child are pretty much new at who they are. -
hhmmm...brother M want to become father liao?Originally posted by M:I absolutely agree that discipline is necessary and it would be best to start young. There are so many occassions when siren-blaring hysterical kids were mad on the loose in places where peace, reverence or safety are of concern. I passed and pledged within, my children in future shall not take in these examples, they must learn there are right things for the right time, as there are play time so there be quiet ones. Such I feel is best over anything they cry-whine for.
Chin Eng, your children (2?) are blessed to have you lovingly guide them. Did you ever take parenting lessons? Disciplining them is a rewarding but tough experience isn't it, since both the parent and child are pretty much new at who they are. -
Nope, no parenting lessons. Don't like them. No books either.Originally posted by M:Chin Eng, your children (2?) are blessed to have you lovingly guide them. Did you ever take parenting lessons? Disciplining them is a rewarding but tough experience isn't it, since both the parent and child are pretty much new at who they are.
Just examples from my personal experience growing up at home, at school, at work and from the Bible. Personal experience - trash out the bad and take in the good.
Disciplining is just one side to the entire bringup process. The other one is motivating. Once a child knows how to moderate his behaviour, we need to know how to push him to achieve more base on his capabilities. The trick is how to discipline without demotivating.