Respect
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not sure if i have posted regarding this b4.. but some ppl are really getting on my nerves...
attended the Good Friday mass at my church.. there, i was trying to concentrate but there was a particular kid, ard the age of 3, trying to 'impersonate' Andrea Bocelli in the high notes, together wif his dad's keys as his music instrument... running ard like he's acting in an indian movie..
his parents and his granny obviously enjoyed his 'show' by allowing him to do watever he wans except for a few 'shhhh'ing when his screeching gets a little out of tune...
i had to endure this 'show' for the whole 1+ hr...
yesterday during Easter mass i saw little Bocelli again... he was very happy to see ppl, adults n young, getting baptised, that he decided to present another song of his... i was getting the VIP seat when he came forth to project his voice to the priest n the others in the circle seats...
at the same time, there was a teenager and her mum behind me... think they not met for a long time, coz they were practically talking the whole period, yak yak yak yak yak.. toking on the fone too! BOTH mum n daughter alike! y did they bothered coming then? stay at home n chat lah...!
wad is wrong with these ppl!? no respect for church go-ers who were trying to concentrate, no respect for the church, not even to God!
i felt so much like going up to them giving a slap each on the face... UGH!!! -
i thought christian are much more patience? why get angry? just tell them nicely or ignore them?
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tell them:
"god heard u.....u can shuddup now" -
Just go up and tell them how you feel. -
Patience does not necessarily mean to ignore....
Inconsiderate people are everywhere including in church. It may not be appropriate for fellow church-goers to take immediately action. However I believe it is up to the church leaders including the presiding priest or pastor to remind members in the congregation not to persist in talking over the phone or allowing their children to misbehave.
My church takes very strong stand on this because the purpose of that event in question is for people to come into the fellowship of God, which by implication is a personal and holy experience. The understanding of the purpose of this event over-ride any sentiment of being patience with each other or to the young children.
I have two children who has learned to worship in silence. Never in anyone time of their growing up process were they allowed to behave indiscriminately in an occasion such as this. -
relax lah... you sound very stressed leh...
I mean I can understand at 3 years old, the parents and grand parents are excited that their little grandson is enjoying himself. And though off tune, does make some musical notes as you said so yourself.
For the 2 people behind you who were chatting like they were long lost friends, maybe you could have told them politely that they're making too much noise? -
i like this...Originally posted by FireIce:tell them:
"god heard u.....u can shuddup now" -
good 4 u!Originally posted by Chin Eng:Patience does not necessarily mean to ignore....
Inconsiderate people are everywhere including in church. It may not be appropriate for fellow church-goers to take immediately action. However I believe it is up to the church leaders including the presiding priest or pastor to remind members in the congregation not to persist in talking over the phone or allowing their children to misbehave.
My church takes very strong stand on this because the purpose of that event in question is for people to come into the fellowship of God, which by implication is a personal and holy experience. The understanding of the purpose of this event over-ride any sentiment of being patience with each other or to the young children.
I have two children who has learned to worship in silence. Never in anyone time of their growing up process were they allowed to behave indiscriminately in an occasion such as this. -
i was trying to be sarcastic on the 'singing' coz he was practically screaming n shouting... not literally singing....Originally posted by :relax lah... you sound very stressed leh...
I mean I can understand at 3 years old, the parents and grand parents are excited that their little grandson is enjoying himself. And though off tune, does make some musical notes as you said so yourself.
For the 2 people behind you who were chatting like they were long lost friends, maybe you could have told them politely that they're making too much noise?
4 the 2 behind me.. it's more like... shang liang bu zheng, xia liang wai... if the mother is not doing anything to stop the ger, or rather, JOIN in the chatting n the fone calling... wat else can outsiders do? -
oh icic... well give n take lah...
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not oni church lah......cinemas oso got ppl yak loudly on hp.......chatting.......bery bey zi dong.....
most ppl jus keep quiet loh......avoid trouble........if u go up and tell them wait they bey song.....call lorry come down how......
at foodcourt and other eating places oso can see kids running around.....and now with the heelys.....even worse......
last week i was going up the escalator of my workplace building....then this boy in front of me start swinging a plastic bag he's holding......and hit my arm......the mother oso oblivious to it.......i feel like "kok-ing" the boy's head......but cannot lah.....not my son leh...... -
yah lah.. they play heelys in church oso... dun understand lor...Originally posted by FireIce:not oni church lah......cinemas oso got ppl yak loudly on hp.......chatting.......bery bey zi dong.....
most ppl jus keep quiet loh......avoid trouble........if u go up and tell them wait they bey song.....call lorry come down how......
at foodcourt and other eating places oso can see kids running around.....and now with the heelys.....even worse......
last week i was going up the escalator of my workplace building....then this boy in front of me start swinging a plastic bag he's holding......and hit my arm......the mother oso oblivious to it.......i feel like "kok-ing" the boy's head......but cannot lah.....not my son leh...... -
One time at Ngee Ann city, I saw couple of kids picking the little stones from the large flower pots and throwing the stones from basement 1 down to basement 2, at the escalator well. I went after them, who obviously ran off to their parents. Went up to their mom(s), and told the ladies what had happened. Kids got bashed up real good.
Sad thing in life is that most parents do not take discipline seriously enough. Hence, they raise up children who are disrespectful to everything and everyone.
My own children were told to even pick up merchandise they find lying on the floor of any departmental stores, even though they are not responsible for them falling onto the floor. -
Hire an ASSASIN from HoneybunZ Private Limited?Originally posted by FireIce:not oni church lah......cinemas oso got ppl yak loudly on hp.......chatting.......bery bey zi dong.....
most ppl jus keep quiet loh......avoid trouble........if u go up and tell them wait they bey song.....call lorry come down how......
at foodcourt and other eating places oso can see kids running around.....and now with the heelys.....even worse......
last week i was going up the escalator of my workplace building....then this boy in front of me start swinging a plastic bag he's holding......and hit my arm......the mother oso oblivious to it.......i feel like "kok-ing" the boy's head......but cannot lah.....not my son leh...... -
*Clenching right fist & pounding onto the left side of the chest at the heart area twice*
Dats respect. -
Originally posted by Bontakun:*Clenching right fist & pounding onto the left side of the chest at the heart area twice*
Dats respect.
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Tolerance...?
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the need of one child to scream and run around like a lunatic outweighs the need of a congregation for respectful silence to worship?Originally posted by Devil1976:Tolerance...?
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For the ones who talked and talked behind you, I guess its really not good of them to do so. But I also would to encourage you to be patient. Once my pastor told me that in a previous congregation, he saw a very interesting thing. A man was worshipping God very intimately and singing with all his might and his eyes closed. THis man seems to be a man deeply in love with God but suddenly the woman beside him accidentally knocked his elbow. This man immediately opened his eyes and gave a very stern and disapproving look. My pastor's found it contradicting and his point was that we as christians while worshipping God should be aware that God is more concern how we are inside rather than outside and if we are so easily agitated by people and could not show love to people, then we are not practicing what Jesus taught us, to love. Having said that, not saying those people are right, I do get irritated many times too but well I guess God wants us to be a bigger person or else how we react to them may just put us in the same category as them.
About the children thingy, I do not know that child you are talking about but let me share one incident concerning myself. I worship in a congregation full of children because many parents there. Once I was worshipping, this particular girl around 7 or 8 started dancing right in front of the worship leader and singing loudly. I was irritated of cos, its like hey this girl is so distracting, how can we worship God this way. But later on I found out that this little girl has Down's Syndrome and that she is like this, very active and very oblivion to people around her. But what struck me was her act of worship. She was oblivion to people around her, it doesnt matter that her dance was bad, her singing off key but she just sang and danced just like DAVID did!!! He danced shamelessly in front of everyone! It brought me to a realisation that sometimes we adults when worshipping God could not bring ourselves to abandon all and worship God but are always so aware of how people look at us. That little girl taught me a lesson in worshipping God with all your heart, all your strength, all your mind and all your soul. -
I am sure the Down Syndrome child is more of an exception than the rule. Obviously, members within a congregation is aware if there are special need children in the midst and will definitely show grace in such a situation. The more common occurence are parents who when worshipping turns a blind eye to what their children are doing, including ignoring them when these children run up and down the aisle and throwing hymnals on the floor, just for kicks.Originally posted by gasband:For the ones who talked and talked behind you, I guess its really not good of them to do so. But I also would to encourage you to be patient. Once my pastor told me that in a previous congregation, he saw a very interesting thing. A man was worshipping God very intimately and singing with all his might and his eyes closed. THis man seems to be a man deeply in love with God but suddenly the woman beside him accidentally knocked his elbow. This man immediately opened his eyes and gave a very stern and disapproving look. My pastor's found it contradicting and his point was that we as christians while worshipping God should be aware that God is more concern how we are inside rather than outside and if we are so easily agitated by people and could not show love to people, then we are not practicing what Jesus taught us, to love. Having said that, not saying those people are right, I do get irritated many times too but well I guess God wants us to be a bigger person or else how we react to them may just put us in the same category as them.
About the children thingy, I do not know that child you are talking about but let me share one incident concerning myself. I worship in a congregation full of children because many parents there. Once I was worshipping, this particular girl around 7 or 8 started dancing right in front of the worship leader and singing loudly. I was irritated of cos, its like hey this girl is so distracting, how can we worship God this way. But later on I found out that this little girl has Down's Syndrome and that she is like this, very active and very oblivion to people around her. But what struck me was her act of worship. She was oblivion to people around her, it doesnt matter that her dance was bad, her singing off key but she just sang and danced just like DAVID did!!! He danced shamelessly in front of everyone! It brought me to a realisation that sometimes we adults when worshipping God could not bring ourselves to abandon all and worship God but are always so aware of how people look at us. That little girl taught me a lesson in worshipping God with all your heart, all your strength, all your mind and all your soul.
I for one will not prevent my own children praising God in the top of their lungs during praise and worship, but I will ensure when the message is given or prayer is recited, they remain at the utmost best. As long as my children were old enough to read, they are to follow the ritual of worship in it's entirety when they are present during the service.
I think we are talking about ill-disciplined NORMAL children here.
As to the adults, I think that the trend of this discussion is not really about people who are genuinely worshipping God inspite of their out of tune singing. It is about people who do not turn off their mobile or put them at silent mode. It is also about people who carry on their personal conversation when it is time to worship. As someone in this thread had stated: why bother to come? -
I seriously think this issue should not be brought to the public to comment on.
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Its true that corporate worship must be in order and not disturbed by those small things like chatting over phones and inconsiderate behavior. We can choose to remind and admonish in the love of God and never to pour judgement on the offender as if we ourselves are holy and blameless. We may not behave in such a manner..but outside of church, in our daily lives do we live our lives as a good testimony to others? The Bible says clearly that worship is not on Sundays alone....everyday, every second of your life is to be an act of worship......
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well, people do make mistakes lah.........maybe they are new believers or non-believers?
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me...Originally posted by Chin Eng:I am sure the Down Syndrome child is more of an exception than the rule. Obviously, members within a congregation is aware if there are special need children in the midst and will definitely show grace in such a situation. The more common occurence are parents who when worshipping turns a blind eye to what their children are doing, including ignoring them when these children run up and down the aisle and throwing hymnals on the floor, just for kicks.
I for one will not prevent my own children praising God in the top of their lungs during praise and worship, but I will ensure when the message is given or prayer is recited, they remain at the utmost best. As long as my children were old enough to read, they are to follow the ritual of worship in it's entirety when they are present during the service.
I think we are talking about ill-disciplined NORMAL children here.
As to the adults, I think that the trend of this discussion is not really about people who are genuinely worshipping God inspite of their out of tune singing. It is about people who do not turn off their mobile or put them at silent mode. It is also about people who carry on their personal conversation when it is time to worship. As someone in this thread had stated: why bother to come?
anyway, in response to the down syndrome thingy... the kid is definitely NOT one.. otherwise, the parents might be partially blind or deaf to ignore what that kid was doing!
ok.. i admit that i'm mean to say that.. but anyone who has eyes n ears shd try to stop their kid frm making a scene... -
definitely not...Originally posted by snk86:well, people do make mistakes lah.........maybe they are new believers or non-believers?