If science cannot prove existence of gods.
How can it prove the existence of gods creation?
It just boils down to blind faith.
In the end, you can't even prove your own existence.
Time to see a shrink.
Finally you will end up on the streets asking passersby if they are virgins.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnWTH7ODRqA
Originally posted by [imdestinyz]:then how do you know god exists? no religion can prove that their own god exists isn't it?
You are absolutely right. No one can prove the existence of God. And none can prove the non-existence of God for that matter. Which is why it is a matter of BELIEF, for both the theist and the atheist.
But if you have been following my posts, you would have been aware of my arguments made for the existence of God, that the case for God is far greater than the case against God.
In short, we are seeking for EXPLANATORY powers here. What best explains what needs explaining? Topping the list is the question of origins. The universe has a beginning, it must have a cause. As far as I am concerned, anyone who can bring the universe into existence deserve to be called God. Have I then empirically proven that God exists? Nope. But what I am appealing to is our common sense and logic. The universe is an effect and thus requires a cause. And I am arguing that this cause is God.
Originally posted by βÎτά:
If science cannot prove existence of gods.
How can it prove the existence of gods creation?
It just boils down to blind faith.
In the end, you can't even prove your own existence.
Time to see a shrink.
Have I ever used science to PROVE God? I don't. Only the atheists are insisting on using science to prove God.
And about having blind faith, I do not have blind faith. My faith is a reasonable faith. But yours (the atheist) is an irrational faith, a blind faith really.
Originally posted by βÎτά:
Finally you will end up on the streets asking passersby if they are virgins.
Please don't project your tendencies to others.
Originally posted by BroInChrist:Have I ever used science to PROVE God? I don't. Only the atheists are insisting on using science to prove God.
And about having blind faith, I do not have blind faith. My faith is a reasonable faith. But yours (the atheist) is an irrational faith, a blind faith really.
So you believe in something which cannot be seen, cannot be heard, cannot be verified, has major inconsistencies in it's teachings?
Sounds alot like Voodoo to me.
1. Why are you asking people to solve metaphysical questions with physical laws, when you yourself are unable to solve it?
You are unable to prove the existence of god with physical laws, yet you ask that others disprove of god with physical laws.
Hypocrite.
One question for you.
John 3:15
For those who believe in him will have eternal life.
What about those of subnormal intelligence?
No eternal life for them?
Religion was evolved out of insecurity as a result of ritualistic practices.
In ancient times, it was believed that Zeus cast thunderbolts from the skies.
Do you still believe in it?
Or is it the result of friction between water particles in the atmosphere?
Who created god?
Humans created god.
zeus is greek god mah... not christian god... cfm will have ppl tell u that
Zeus exist, I have faith in it, I still believe he is the major cause of lightning strikes.
Serious. It's my blind faith.
I do not seek physical proof of Zeus existence.
Alot of people believe in Zeus' existence too, so much so that every 4 years a game is held in his honor.
Originally posted by βÎτά:
So you believe in something which cannot be seen, cannot be heard, cannot be verified, has major inconsistencies in it's teachings?
Sounds alot like Voodoo to me.
You believe in laws of logic? Voodoo to you?
Have you ever physically handled a feeling? Touched it, smelled it, weighed it? Voodoo too?
You show me an ACTUAL inconsistency in teaching and then we will discuss. Chances are your so-called inconsistencies are passages lifted out of their contexts without due regard.
You don't know what you are talking about kiddo.
Originally posted by BroInChrist:You believe in laws of logic? Voodoo to you?
Have you ever physically handled a feeling? Touched it, smelled it, weighed it? Voodoo too?
You show me an ACTUAL inconsistency in teaching and then we will discuss. Chances are your so-called inconsistencies are passages lifted out of their contexts without due regard.
You don't know what you are talking about kiddo.
A feeling is a biochemical reaction induced by external physical events.
Christians are good at sidetracking and beating around the bush when they have no answers to questions.
Religions was created by insecure folks who can't explain everyday phenomenon like lightning, rain, meteors, etc.
If John 3:15 was lifted out of context, please explain, I am all ears.
My KJV says, "That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life."
John 3:16
"For god so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
What about those handicapped, retarded or even normal people who are not smart enough to accept him?
Originally posted by βÎτά:
1. Why are you asking people to solve metaphysical questions with physical laws, when you yourself are unable to solve it?
You are unable to prove the existence of god with physical laws, yet you ask that others disprove of god with physical laws.
Hypocrite.
Since when did I ask you to solve metaphysical qiestions with physical laws? Show me the specific post and wordings please.
And why are you asking me to prove God's existence with physical laws? This shows you never read what I post at all. You are just bent on personal attacks. Try to talk some substance kid.
Originally posted by BroInChrist:Since when did I ask you to solve metaphysical qiestions with physical laws? Show me the specific post and wordings please.
And why are you asking me to prove God's existence with physical laws? This shows you never read what I post at all. You are just bent on personal attacks. Try to talk some substance kid.
You ask everybody to tell you if god did not exist (metaphysical), how can they justify physical issues.
You just twisted the question around.
Don't tell me you didn't see it?
Originally posted by βÎτά:
One question for you.
John 3:15
For those who believe in him will have eternal life.
What about those of subnormal intelligence?
No eternal life for them?
Religion was evolved out of insecurity as a result of ritualistic practices.
Are you REALLY concerned for those who have subnormal intelligence or are you just using them to attack the Christian faith? Or are you trying to mock them?
You worry about yourself and let God deal with the others. Don't always try to deflect the heat that's on you.
Anyone can make slogans against religion but that proves nothing. I can make one slogan for atheists too.
Atheism is a belief system of people who fear to have their lives examined morally. In short, atheists are moral cowards.
Next you will be quoting, "the devil knows more about the bible than you do".
Originally posted by BroInChrist:Are you REALLY concerned for those who have subnormal intelligence or are you just using them to attack the Christian faith? Or are you trying to mock them?
You worry about yourself and let God deal with the others. Don't always try to deflect the heat that's on you.
Anyone can make slogans against religion but that proves nothing. I can make one slogan for atheists too.
Atheism is a belief system of people who fear to have their lives examined morally. In short, atheists are moral cowards.
So you can't answer one simple question from a statement drafted by a person or a group of persons from two thousand years ago?
Here is a list of moral cowards which your basic existence rely on today.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_atheists_in_science_and_technology
HYPOCRITE!!!
Originally posted by βÎτά:
Here is a list of moral cowards which your basic existence rely on today.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_atheists_in_science_and_technology
HYPOCRITE!!!
Hasn't anyone realised that things here are going both ways actually?
Originally posted by βÎτά:
In ancient times, it was believed that Zeus cast thunderbolts from the skies.
Do you still believe in it?
Or is it the result of friction between water particles in the atmosphere?
Who created god?
Humans created god.
The Bible does not teach any Zeus-like figure being responsible for casting lightning. But God is responsible in the sense that in creation week He established the laws of nature. And mind you, it was the Biblical worldview that paved the way for modern science and did away with superstitious ideas. Had it not been Christians like Michael Faraday who knows you may still be believing in Zeus today! See http://creation.com/the-creationist-basis-for-modern-science
Yes, I agree with you that humans have created many gods in their own human image. But I am not talking about such gods. I am talking about GOD, the one who created humans in His image.
BTW, as an atheist please answer the question of who created humans.
Originally posted by βÎτά:
Zeus exist, I have faith in it, I still believe he is the major cause of lightning strikes.
Serious. It's my blind faith.
I do not seek physical proof of Zeus existence.
Alot of people believe in Zeus' existence too, so much so that every 4 years a game is held in his honor.
Still trolling eh?
Originally posted by βÎτά:
A feeling is a biochemical reaction induced by external physical events.
Christians are good at sidetracking and beating around the bush when they have no answers to questions.
Religions was created by insecure folks who can't explain everyday phenomenon like lightning, rain, meteors, etc.
If John 3:15 was lifted out of context, please explain, I am all ears.
My KJV says, "That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life."
John 3:16
"For god so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
What about those handicapped, retarded or even normal people who are not smart enough to accept him?
Still trying to bluff your way eh?
Tell me, have you ever OBSERVED a feeling in empirical terms?
Atheists are good at elephant hurling so that they can avoid having to provide those embarassing intellectually-bankrupt answers to the ultimate questions of life.
Again please don't feign concern for others. It's just so hypocritical. What about YOU who have chosen to rebel against your Creator God? You think you are smart, but only in your own eyes. Make no mistake about it, in the Bible it is written that God calls the atheist a fool.
Originally posted by βÎτά:
You ask everybody to tell you if god did not exist (metaphysical), how can they justify physical issues.
You just twisted the question around.
Don't tell me you didn't see it?
I think you have issues with reading and comprehension.
If you, as an atheist, are unable to account for things like morality, laws of logic, order in the universe etc, then just admit and concede the bankruptcy of your belief system. That's what I am driving at all this while. Don't tell me you didn't see it?
It's not me twisting things, it's you MISSING the POINT!
Originally posted by βÎτά:
Next you will be quoting, "the devil knows more about the bible than you do".
I certainly thinks the devil knows more about the Bible than you. In fact, the devil is closer to the truth than you are. At least the devil does not deny God's existence!