Six Questions to Ask An Atheist
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Originally posted by Dalforce 1941:
BroInChrist, are you Singaporean? Rare to find such a commited christian in Singapore.
Disputes between science and christian religion are not that hotly debated in most asian countries since christian is an alien religion in this region. So I am surprised.
I am an "ang theng kee" holder ; )
Actually I think there are many committed Christians in Singapore. But maybe not many who are apologetically minded and willing to defend the faith. Sad to say many Christians frown upon apologetics and disregard the NT writers' commands to contend for the faith.
I don't think Christianity is an alien religion in this region at all.
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Originally posted by Tcmc:
Actually, sadly, the number of christians like BIC in singapore is increasing.
Why is that so? I hope traditional religions of the local people can be preserved.
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Originally posted by BroInChrist:
I don't think Christianity is an alien religion in this region at all.
Why not?
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Originally posted by Tcmc:
Actually, sadly, the number of christians like BIC in singapore is increasing. I was from an extreme church too. Extremism is based on a lot of emotions
Oh really? Pray tell which of my postings are a lot of emotional wrenchings?
Truth be told, it is the atheists' arguments that are often arguments by outrage. They will rail and wail "How come God do this? How come God do that? So much suffering and hurt, where is this God of love?"
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Originally posted by Dalforce 1941:
Why not?
Mind if you first tell me why you think it is?
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Originally posted by BroInChrist:
Mind if you first tell me why you think it is?
Singapore's main ethnic groups are chinese, malay and indians. Their native religions are confucianism, taoism, Islam and Hinduism. Only a few minorities like armenians and eurasians practice christianity as their traditional religion. Before colonialism and the arrival of missionaries, christianity was not widespread in this region. The more established religions were confucianism, taoism, Islam and Hinduism and buddhism.
I don't think christianity can be considered as traditional religion of chinese, malay and indians.
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Originally posted by Dalforce 1941:
Singapore's main ethnic groups are chinese, malay and indians. Their native religions are confucianism, taoism, Islam and Hinduism. Only a few minorities like armenians and eurasians practice christianity as their traditional religion. Before colonialism and the arrival of missionaries, christianity was not widespread in this region. The more established religions were confucianism, taoism, Islam and Hinduism and buddhism.
I don't think christianity can be considered as traditional religion of chinese, malay and indians.
Granted your point if you are talking about history and origins of religions in Singapore. But the fact is that at PRESENT Christianity is not considered an alien or foreign religion, whether in Singapore or in this region.
Using the same logic would you then say that Singaporeans are aliens in this region since we had only a short history compared to the surrounding nations? But so what if it is so? That would still be no basis for discrimination or dismissal or rejection.
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Originally posted by BroInChrist:
Granted your point if you are talking about history and origins of religions in Singapore. But the fact is that at PRESENT Christianity is not considered an alien or foreign religion, whether in Singapore or in this region.
Using the same logic would you then say that Singaporeans are aliens in this region since we had only a short history compared to the surrounding nations? But so what if it is so? That would still be no basis for discrimination or dismissal or rejection.
Which means, all of our ancestors after jesus died and before the missionaries came, are all in hell? :(
Going by BIC's religious beliefs.
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Originally posted by Tcmc:
Which means, all of our ancestors after jesus died and before the missionaries came, are all in hell? :(
Going by BIC's religious beliefs.
Correction, that is going by Tcmc's strawman version of my beliefs.
When will you stop misrepresenting my views?
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Originally posted by Tcmc:
Which means, all of our ancestors after jesus died and before the missionaries came, are all in hell? :(
Going by BIC's religious beliefs.
dun expect this dude to answer this, because all he does is to avoid and deflect questions he or his church is able to answer them. in fact the answers they gave are most of the time, intellectually dysfunctional replies.
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Originally posted by Tcmc:
Actually, sadly, the number of christians like BIC in singapore is increasing. I was from an extreme church too. Extremism is based on a lot of emotions
ya they are being fed by opiate. just look at the history, wars and bloodshed in the name of their god. even their god is violent and murderous. I have a hard time understanding why got people so willingly so eager to obey something that is not coherent and logical. dun they have a brain and mind to know what is right and wrong, true and fallacy, separate the facts from the fiction lar, come on.
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Originally posted by Tcmc:
Which means, all of our ancestors after jesus died and before the missionaries came, are all in hell? :(
Going by BIC's religious beliefs.
yeap he said it himself in another thread that all unbelievers broke god's law and will burn in hell. So anything tha predates that or basically all chinese until christianity reached the chinese community are all burning in hell now.
Do not say that i misrepresented your view... you just said those exact same words in another thread. Im not trolling you, but i am applying what you said. So sad for buddhist, islam, hindus and other religions. Probably all burning in hell.
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Originally posted by Jacky Woo:
dun expect this dude to answer this, because all he does is to avoid and deflect questions he or his church is able to answer them. in fact the answers they gave are most of the time, intellectually dysfunctional replies.
Projecting again Jacky?
Intellectually dysfunctional replies are a trademark of your postings, Jacky.
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Originally posted by [imdestinyz]:
yeap he said it himself in another thread that all unbelievers broke god's law and will burn in hell. So anything tha predates that or basically all chinese until christianity reached the chinese community are all burning in hell now.
Do not say that i misrepresented your view... you just said those exact same words in another thread. Im not trolling you, but i am applying what you said. So sad for buddhist, islam, hindus and other religions. Probably all burning in hell.
xtians are entitled to their beliefs, but doesnt mean we agree and concur isnt it. I dunno who is the more pitiful, they reckoned we are going to hell and we pitying them for being so deluded, entrapped in a fantasy, make believe after world
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Originally posted by Jacky Woo:
ya they are being fed by opiate. just look at the history, wars and bloodshed in the name of their god. even their god is violent and murderous. I have a hard time understanding why got people so willingly so eager to obey something that is not coherent and logical. dun they have a brain and mind to know what is right and wrong, true and fallacy, separate the facts from the fiction lar, come on.
We've been through this before. Just look at the millions of people killed in the name of atheism in the last century alone, the figures in the last century alone dwarf those that atheists would blame on religion in all the past centuries combined!
Of course it must be mentioned that other than ASSERTING that the Bible is not coherent or not logical, Jacky has utterly FAILED to back up his assertions. He's just blowing off hot air polemics here.
And on what basis does Jacky judge something to be right and wrong, true or fallacy? In the first place, atheism cannot even account for the existence of the laws of logic, of moral values, and right or wrong. Whatever atheists may affirm about them, it is not because of atheism, but in spite of atheism.
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Originally posted by Jacky Woo:
xtians are entitled to their beliefs, but doesnt mean we agree and concur isnt it. I dunno who is the more pitiful, they reckoned we are going to hell and we pitying them for being so deluded, entrapped in a fantasy, make believe after world
Of course Christians are entitled to our beliefs, for that freedom is enshrined in our Constitution. And no one is saying that you must agree or concur with our beliefs. But the horrifying thought is that if people like Jacky gets to run the government, it will probably spell untold atrocities on Christians.
Look at it this way, if Christians are deluded about Christianity (i.e. false when we think it is true), we can't be any worst off than the atheists when we die. But if atheists are deluded about their atheism and Christianity is true, one can't say that the atheists are going to be better off in any way. That's Pascal's Wager for you.
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I didnt know that atheisism is a religion. religion is defined as believing and worshipping god,there you go. I didnt know that atheisim has a set of dogmatic belief system other than that they do not believe in god or god's existence.
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Originally posted by Jacky Woo:
I didnt know that atheisism is a religion. religion is defined as believing and worshipping god,there you go. I didnt know that atheisim has a set of dogmatic belief system other than that they do not believe in god or god's existence.
Actually singapore pastors have been teaching this misconception that atheism is a religion.
They just want to "demonise" atheism and discourage their members from learning more about atheism
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Originally posted by Jacky Woo:
I didnt know that atheisism is a religion. religion is defined as believing and worshipping god,there you go. I didnt know that atheisim has a set of dogmatic belief system other than that they do not believe in god or god's existence.
Which is why I say I know more about atheism than you do. You have just proven it again, both you and Tcmc.
By all definitions, atheism is a religion. Even the US courts have ruled that it is. See http://www.wnd.com/2005/08/31895/
Mind you, we have been through this before in other threads! Please refute the following article if you can
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Originally posted by Tcmc:
Actually singapore pastors have been teaching this misconception that atheism is a religion.
They just want to "demonise" atheism and discourage their members from learning more about atheism
we can never let them demonise any single religion, belief, or non belief
u let them step on one, they will slowly step on all others
again, and again, vigilance!
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Originally posted by laurence82:
we can never let them demonise any single religion, belief, or non belief
u let them step on one, they will slowly step on all others
again, and again, vigilance!
Except that the problem isn't Christians demonising atheism, but that atheists are delusionizing all religions. To atheists ALL religions are false and ALL religious people are deluded. Tell me honestly that this isn't what you believe and think. -
stay away from me, Judas, servant of Satan!
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Except that the problem isn't Christians demonising atheism, but that atheists are delusionizing all religions. To atheists ALL religions are false and ALL religious people are deluded. Tell me honestly that this isn't what you believe and think.
And what is the title of this thread?
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Originally posted by laurence82:
stay away from me, Judas, servant of Satan!
Question is: Why are you staying in a Christian forum anyway? You are neither discussing any topic or making any constructive postings, but just venting your anger at me and feeling sore that you lost the earlier arguments. -
Originally posted by alize:
Except that the problem isn't Christians demonising atheism, but that atheists are delusionizing all religions. To atheists ALL religions are false and ALL religious people are deluded. Tell me honestly that this isn't what you believe and think.
And what is the title of this thread?
Six Questions to Ask an Atheist. Why? You mean this is tantamount to demonising atheists?