Who is Buddha?
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Originally posted by Fugazzi:
Parn,
I never assumed an atheistic stance nor did i proclaim to be an atheist. As it ever occurred to you that is your projection emanating from within you?
However, that is your predicament. You are free to spout all that comes to you - it is you and u are being u whatever u type here. To reject outrightly, what one knows not or lacks insight is the highest form of ignorance.
By judging - u are not defining what another is (in this instance, me) or . .. but defining what you are. The same goes for and each and everyone posting here. It is only whether one accepts, pretends or simply ignores. However, it does not go away.
As for being misunderstood or not at, it is fine by me. I post to evoke ''questions'' and have one arrive at one's ''conclusion'' or ''views/opinions''.
i offer my views, opinions n what have u. u are free to be u just as others are. If it does not resonate of u or does not with u - lump it.
Fugazzi, that's alright. When I asked you to simplify your comments, I really meant it.I mean, what's the point of posting on an online forum if it's isn't meant to be understood the people who are reading it?
So I would appreciate if you could simplify your previous post for us, so that people including me and many others, could participate in the discussion.
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Originally posted by Asromanista2001:
### if everyone is created by God for a reason...............what purpose is there for small kids and babies dying of sickness or burned alive in motor accidents ???.............to satisfy that old psychopathic God's bloodlust ???
### Parn ............you claimed to have an experience with God..........you sure it wasn't a WET DREAM about God ???...................LOL.........
### waaah...............even An Eternal Now is here leh.............a million thanks !
Hmm...you obviously needed help, unlike me.So step aside ya?
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Originally posted by parn:
Someone obviously have been trolling too much in crapbox until he has developed this warped mentality that any posts that anyone who doesn't post in his favor is considered trolling.That's really pathetic.
No, seriously, u are trolling
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Originally posted by parn:
Oh? So buddhist only respect buddha and don't worship buddha?Obviously you have been visiting some deserted temples......LOL!
And how can your wishes be granted if you do not pray to buddha?
You mean your silent wishes will automatically be granted without you asking for it?
You're more mentally disturbed than I've imagined of you.
Even if you found a magic lamp, you still need to pray to the genie in the lamp before your wishes can be granted.
I think you have mental block or something. If you have no merits, even your Christian God also can't grant you your wish. Anyway, Buddhism is profound for you. I believe you still think that believing in God will go to heaven is easier to understand.
Don't think God can do wonders or you will be very disappointed.
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Originally posted by parn:
I see, so you respect buddha who isn't a god, but yet you can respect buddha in a more respectable manner than god. That's quite a story.So you have buddha nature and can awakened it anytime? I mean I also can awakened my buddha nature and be KIND to all of you by wearing my buddha mask. And I'm sure everyone have their own buddha mask which they can also awaken it as and when they need it.
So tell me what's the point of telling me this? You sure you are proud about being able to flash out your buddha mask as and when the occasion calls for it?
I don't mind if you believed that buddha is the teacher of god when you don't even realise that the god mentioned in your buddhist context is not the same GOD as the Christian GOD. I'll leave it to your enlightened mind to figure it out.
Yes, you need to get your facts right. Make sure you are referring to the same GOD before you even try to quote it out of your buddhist context.
You think too highly of God. Come one, Jesus was like Buddha, he was once a human. It is only that you guys believe that he is the son of God because a book said so. So, it is just your believe, nothing more but your belief.
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Originally posted by parn:
I see, so you respect buddha who isn't a god, but yet you can respect buddha in a more respectable manner than god. That's quite a story.So you have buddha nature and can awakened it anytime? I mean I also can awakened my buddha nature and be KIND to all of you by wearing my buddha mask. And I'm sure everyone have their own buddha mask which they can also awaken it as and when they need it.
So tell me what's the point of telling me this? You sure you are proud about being able to flash out your buddha mask as and when the occasion calls for it?
I don't mind if you believed that buddha is the teacher of god when you don't even realise that the god mentioned in your buddhist context is not the same GOD as the Christian GOD. I'll leave it to your enlightened mind to figure it out.
Yes, you need to get your facts right. Make sure you are referring to the same GOD before you even try to quote it out of your buddhist context.
You didn't understand my previous post.
There is no God in Buddhism, so it is irrelevant to compare Buddha with a God in the context of Buddhism. Therefore I never compared Buddha with a Christian definition of God because we don't believe there is a creator.
Buddha is higher than gods (note: i never put caps lock, the capital G) - this is true. By gods I mean beings who live in heaven, and we don't worship them.
Also you misunderstood what Buddhism and enlightenment is about. It is not about mundane compassion (though we do practice it), it is about realizing the nature of reality and ending affliction and sufferings. It's not about pretending to be somebody, it is about truly seeing the truth of reality and ending suffering.
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Jesus was a man, Krishna was a man, Buddha was a man, Mohd was a man - after their passing away - Christianity,Hinduism, Islam came into the pix; the same can be said so for the others. For the purpose of collective identity down the years each was made into a religion. Buddha, Jesus, Krisha, Mohd - all shared experiences and it was existential expereinces in human form.
Of course, there are some who go to temples/church or ... to pray and sadly it is prayer of supplication which is tantamount to ''begging''. Prayer when it is a prayer of gratitude is healthy. The same goes for all others. The neurosis is that man created a fiction and that fiction is God in man''s image. Hence, the exclusivity, the prejudices, the judgements, the bigotry.
A fiction needs maintenance and what is true is missed cos the preoccupation with maintenance of fiction is enegry-sapping. Eg Personality needs maintenance cos it is a mask(s). Individuality (indivisible) does not need cos there are no personas. Real religion is always an individual experience and cannot be contained or shut in a box cos what is true always changes! Not to be confused with truth.
The sutras, the scriptures, the texts .... add on are mere devices to bring one ''home'' inwards to one's being. How to know? Am i being nasty now? Am I being kind now? These are footprints of one's being It is a process, a continuum, that is the essence of being religious, if one call himself or herself as religious. My standing in a church or a temple does not make me religious. My being nice to strangers, animals, all people without selection is the essence of being religious. Sadly, when one were to look around it does not feel so. Wearing ''badges'' or merely quoting texts, sutras or .. is not religion it is a ritual.Knowledge cannot pretend wisdom. Wisdom emanates from one''s being, knowledge is acquired from outside of oneself. The former frees, the latter binds. When one comes across someone who can relate to ... it reflects the quality of his Being. Being means being eg, kind, being loving, being rude, being considerate or .... .
Muse over this
A man is at the bar n another walks up to him n asks him, "Are you Ernie Smith?"
The man says, 'yes"
The man then says, 'Were you in Boston a few days ago?'
Ernie says, "Just a min," n from his bag takes out a notebook, turns some pages, and then says, "Yes, I was a few days ago."
The man says, "Were you in rm 5?"
Ernie looks into his notebook n says, "Yes."
The man says, "Did you meet Mrs.Dorothy in rm 6?"
Ernie looks into his notebook n replies, "Yes."
The man says, "Tell me, did you make love to Mrs Dorothy?"
Ernie looks into notebook again, says, "Yes, I made love to Mrs. Dorothy."
The man says, "Well, I'm Dorothy's spouse n I don't like it."
Again, Ernie looks in his notebook and utters, "You know, that's funny. I didn't like it either."This is what hearing is all about. One agrees perfectly, but one hears only what one wants to hear; one understands only what one wants to understand.
This seems to be the predicament at least it seems for too many of us for now
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Originally posted by An Eternal Now:
Please get the facts right.
We bow to Buddha out of respect.
We do not worship Buddha, but see him as a teacher. We ourselves have Buddha-nature and can awaken any time. Buddhist aim to become a Buddha, not just worship one.
Also: we don't treat Buddha like gods. We treat Buddhas as more respectable than gods, who are still unawakened beings in samasara, still trapped in the cycle of samsara without ending. Buddha was known as the 'teacher of gods and men'.
By the way, Buddha was not the only enlightened being - thousands of his students attained enlightenment.
There continue to be lots of enlightened people today.
I, for one, am awake, and would not hide this fact (some others may be more humble or shy or think that announcing enlightenment is a taboo). But there are far more others... in my forum and in other places.
p.s. there are different degrees of enlightenment, and I do not want to give the impression that I have reached final enlightenment. But some fundamental truths are realized. And even the first stage of enlightenment is already seen as much higher than living the lives of gods:
- Dhammapada 178:
- Sole dominion over the earth,
- going to heaven,
- lordship over all worlds:
- the fruit of stream-entry
- excels them.
p.s. as for God with a capital G, nope, Buddhists don't believe there is one and therefore it does not relevant to compare Buddha with God in the context of Buddhism. More than that, we realize there couldn't be a God (when we realize and become enlightened to the truth of interdependent origination).
However, Buddha did tell us of a god (a being in a very high plane) who was deluded to think he created the world.
From an old post of mine:
Wow. Ami-tuofo. Respects to you sir. As a Buddhist, you seemed to have practised more than the average person.
Begging your pardon, may I ask which stage of enlightenment have you attained? -
Oh man.
To everyone here, I really suggest we drop this topic entirely... It's not going to do much good for all of us. It'll just add more stress and more... well, frustration. Frustration is the foundation to losing ourselves.
As a fellow Buddhist, I agree with what An Eternal Now shared. But then again, in this modern world we have to try and put ourselves in the other party's shoes. From parn's perspective, there IS an almighty entity, who grants wishes to those whom are faithful to Him and He being the creator; He being the Father of all. From the Buddhists' point of view, we view life as a vicious cycle, with us ever reincarnating within six paths - Human, Heaven (NOT referring to the one Christians' believe in), gods (not God, but gods as in like those that An Eternal Now have shared), Hungry Ghost, Animal, and Hell. In every path lies suffering, and Buddhists, we aim to break out of this vicious cycle to end our suffering and of course, along the way, vowing to help others break out of this cycle as well, even if they believe in different things.
Both sides are adamant. We choose to believe in what we believe. We cannot control or even force others to believe in what we believe in. We could, however share and engage in healthy and friendly debate, unlike anything that is seen within this topic.
One thing we CAN control, is what we think of and what we choose to write here. And I suggest we all just respect what the others believe in, and go our seperate paths in life. By respecting and compromising, we can ensure less conflicts within this world. So yeah. Peace out everybody. Further debate is really unnecessary. -
I am against such religious forum here. ( Islam,christian buddhism all religion )
I like SGclub system of religious forum.
U see sgclub only believer can post in the religious forum. This reduces quarrels and all those tension thing.
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I think when learning religious stuff better learn in the place of worship church,temple , mosque etc.
Internet info might not be trustworthy.
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Why are there so many Buddhas but only one Jesus? Any informative answer? Why is this topic in a Christian forum?
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Originally posted by Asromanista2001:
### if everyone is created by God for a reason...............what purpose is there for small kids and babies dying of sickness or burned alive in motor accidents ???.............to satisfy that old psychopathic God's bloodlust ???
### Parn ............you claimed to have an experience with God..........you sure it wasn't a WET DREAM about God ???...................LOL.........
### waaah...............even An Eternal Now is here leh.............a million thanks !
An Eternal Now is you?
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There are not many Buddhas lah, buddha-nature is in all of us, the same for Jesus-nature or .... all that which is ''divine'' is within us. It awaits recognition not discovery.
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Originally posted by metalxx:
Wow. Ami-tuofo. Respects to you sir. As a Buddhist, you seemed to have practised more than the average person.
Begging your pardon, may I ask which stage of enlightenment have you attained?
which stage of enlightenment lol? you are already confused with your question, much less with the topic. it is not something you can envisage with concepts and theories -
Originally posted by Pinknutri:
I think you have mental block or something. If you have no merits, even your Christian God also can't grant you your wish. Anyway, Buddhism is profound for you. I believe you still think that believing in God will go to heaven is easier to understand.
Don't think God can do wonders or you will be very disappointed.
I wasn't talking about buddhism but about Buddha, and this is a Christian forum.So keep an open mind and not a closed mind like everything in the world belongs to buddhism, because it's not. Buddhism is just a very selfish and arrogant religion if you all only knows how to compare your enlightenment stages and awaken your buddha-self as and when you need it.
GOD can do wonders in your life, but I don't expect you to understand because you don't have any faith.
If not you will be amitatofu-ing every time you end a post.
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Originally posted by Pinknutri:
You think too highly of God. Come one, Jesus was like Buddha, he was once a human. It is only that you guys believe that he is the son of God because a book said so. So, it is just your believe, nothing more but your belief.
Wrong lah.....Jesus wasn't born a prince, he was a carpentar by trade. Buddha probably had such a good and sinful life that he got bored of it or got scared of going to hell afterlife that he decided to redeem himself. Jesus need no such redemption because he was born the Son of GOD.Luckily Christianity only got one Bible, unlike your buddhism where you need to buy an entire top 100000 best collections works of amitatofu to enlighten yourself.
Hurry up and pick up the phone to dial 1800-I-LOVE-BUDDHA and request for our limited special offer and we'll even throw in a monk to chant AMITATOFU for you daily.
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Originally posted by An Eternal Now:
You didn't understand my previous post.
There is no God in Buddhism, so it is irrelevant to compare Buddha with a God in the context of Buddhism. Therefore I never compared Buddha with a Christian definition of God because we don't believe there is a creator.
Buddha is higher than gods (note: i never put caps lock, the capital G) - this is true. By gods I mean beings who live in heaven, and we don't worship them.
Also you misunderstood what Buddhism and enlightenment is about. It is not about mundane compassion (though we do practice it), it is about realizing the nature of reality and ending affliction and sufferings. It's not about pretending to be somebody, it is about truly seeing the truth of reality and ending suffering.
How can there be no creator? Just because your Buddha didn't want to address that issue, doesn't means that you should believe in the afterlife-recycling machine?I don't think Buddha have the technology to create such machine to recycle human souls into insects and animals.
Someone must die first to go and build Hell and Heaven right? Buddha must at least have a teacher like GOD to show him the way right?
Please don't tell me aliens from outer space come down and give Buddha the cheat code to unlock all the stages of enlightenment. Then tell him to eat more vegetables to build temples and shrines and how to use joss sticks and flowers to worship himself?
I think the monks are all bald is because they were just pretending to be the shaved headed aliens who came down to Earth to enlighten Buddha.
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Originally posted by metalxx:
Wow. Ami-tuofo. Respects to you sir. As a Buddhist, you seemed to have practised more than the average person.
Begging your pardon, may I ask which stage of enlightenment have you attained?
Maybe he will tell you it's the most powerful ultimate super bbq kind of enlightenment.Just better enlightenment than you lor, don't forget the buddhist in here aren't humble like the shaved ones in the temples.
Don't gamble with your luck, faster go and donate all your chips to the temple because you will lose when you go against the house.
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Originally posted by parn:
Luckily Christianity only got one Bible, unlike your buddhism where you need to buy an entire top 100000 best collections works of amitatofu to enlighten yourself.
one bible with dozens of different versions and everyone preaching their own
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Originally posted by Demon Bane:
Why are there so many Buddhas but only one Jesus? Any informative answer? Why is this topic in a Christian forum?
why so many different beliefs when there's only one jesus?
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Originally posted by parn:
Wrong lah.....Jesus wasn't born a prince, he was a carpentar by trade. Buddha probably had such a good and sinful life that he got bored of it or got scared of going to hell afterlife that he decided to redeem himself. Jesus need no such redemption because he was born the Son of GOD.Luckily Christianity only got one Bible, unlike your buddhism where you need to buy an entire top 100000 best collections works of amitatofu to enlighten yourself.
Hurry up and pick up the phone to dial 1800-I-LOVE-BUDDHA and request for our limited special offer and we'll even throw in a monk to chant AMITATOFU for you daily.
a carpenter who couldnt afford a 300k ring
this kind of people u admire meh?
come on
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Originally posted by parn:
I wasn't talking about buddhism but about Buddha, and this is a Christian forum.So keep an open mind and not a closed mind like everything in the world belongs to buddhism, because it's not. Buddhism is just a very selfish and arrogant religion if you all only knows how to compare your enlightenment stages and awaken your buddha-self as and when you need it.
GOD can do wonders in your life, but I don't expect you to understand because you don't have any faith.
If not you will be amitatofu-ing every time you end a post.
sounds like u are describing your own religion - selfish and arrogantif this is christian forum, then why you post this topic?
contradicting
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Originally posted by Zweiz:
one bible with dozens of different versions and everyone preaching their own
like constantine, they are riding on the trend and want to claim as the supremo
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Originally posted by metalxx:
Oh man.
To everyone here, I really suggest we drop this topic entirely... It's not going to do much good for all of us. It'll just add more stress and more... well, frustration. Frustration is the foundation to losing ourselves.
As a fellow Buddhist, I agree with what An Eternal Now shared. But then again, in this modern world we have to try and put ourselves in the other party's shoes. From parn's perspective, there IS an almighty entity, who grants wishes to those whom are faithful to Him and He being the creator; He being the Father of all. From the Buddhists' point of view, we view life as a vicious cycle, with us ever reincarnating within six paths - Human, Heaven (NOT referring to the one Christians' believe in), gods (not God, but gods as in like those that An Eternal Now have shared), Hungry Ghost, Animal, and Hell. In every path lies suffering, and Buddhists, we aim to break out of this vicious cycle to end our suffering and of course, along the way, vowing to help others break out of this cycle as well, even if they believe in different things.
Both sides are adamant. We choose to believe in what we believe. We cannot control or even force others to believe in what we believe in. We could, however share and engage in healthy and friendly debate, unlike anything that is seen within this topic.
One thing we CAN control, is what we think of and what we choose to write here. And I suggest we all just respect what the others believe in, and go our seperate paths in life. By respecting and compromising, we can ensure less conflicts within this world. So yeah. Peace out everybody. Further debate is really unnecessary.
It's really a simple thing that I need to carve into the hearts of these christian slandering buddhists.Guide and educate these buddhists well, instill in them the humility that you don't have and also discourage them to go to christian forum like this to post nonsense about christianity.
It's obvious these enlightened buddhists don't know how to keep a leash on their unenlighten buddhists and allow them to roam around and create trouble in the forum of other religions like this christianity forum.
They can ignore their underlings talking crap about the GOD of other religion, but they can beam themselves to come and respond to my topic when I talk about their indian ex-prince buddha.
What logic is this? Did buddhism teach them to do all that? And this is not Bill Crosby show.