Who is Buddha?
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Originally posted by parn:
Mutual respect? You mean your parents raised you to respect you when you are now grown up?Either you are an idiot to think you have mutual respect from your parents or your parents are idiots to give you mutual respect.
Everything that you have are from your parents, and they give you mutual respect? Really is LMAO!!
Either they are lying to you to avoid triggering your mental illness or you have been lying to yourself.
omg, you dont know the meaning of mutualhow lousy are u, seriously????
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Originally posted by parn:
Wrong, you don't know anything about anything.
Yes, tat describe u wellhehe
ignoramus is the word for u
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Originally posted by laurence82:
omg, you dont know the meaning of mutualhow lousy are u, seriously????
LOL!! Still unable to provide any explaination to disagree with my posts.You're really pathetic if you cannot even support your disagreement.
Don't tell me you agree with me?
It's about time you agreed with me anyway.
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Originally posted by laurence82:
Yes, tat describe u wellhehe
ignoramus is the word for u
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Originally posted by laurence82:
Yes, tat describe u wellhehe
ignoramus is the word for u
What do you know about buddha?Can you answer the topic?
I don't think you can provide any answers to my question, because you don't know anything about buddha.
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Originally posted by parn:
LOL!! Still unable to provide any explaination to disagree with my posts.You're really pathetic if you cannot even support your disagreement.
Don't tell me you agree with me?
It's about time you agreed with me anyway.
what posts?you can even respond properly to the rest, you are not qualified to respond to any of my intelligent posts either
mutual is a word probably you learn in primary school, go back to school, stupid
lolz
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Originally posted by parn:
What do you know about buddha?Can you answer the topic?
I don't think you can provide any answers to my question, because you don't know anything about buddha.
appreciate if you could read up on buddha
if you dont know, dont start topic
waste of bytes u noe
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Originally posted by parn:
No lor, nobody will post a title like that.Don't tell me you think you would post such a title if you were me?
I know you're stupid and silly, but I didn't know you're retarded to do something like that.
EVERYBODY, PLEASE SEE THIS THREAD BELOW. AFTER SEEING THIS THREAD, THERE IS NO NEED TO ARGUE WITH PARN ANYMORE. SEE WHAT TS WROTE.
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aiyah we all know she is troublemaker, loser and troll
anyway as long as tis rubbish topic is in this rubbish forum, keep it this way, dont pollute other forums
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Originally posted by parn:
LMAO!! This kind of lame theory you also can come up with, but I'm sure money is very important to buddhist.. ** Glance over at Ming Yi Monk **Obviously you don't know anything about Christianity.
**Christians laughing in the background**
AMITATOFU to you, blessed is the ignorant.
hi, just my little gentle reminder.
I am a christian, & I do know there is only one god.
Yes, some may come and tramp on your toes, but there is no need to engage in these pointless communications that to me, is not glorifying God, but instead the reverse.
trust me, certain things, we just have to leave it and things will move. the more we fight it, it may just bear wrong fruits.
peace, bless you.
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Originally posted by laurence82:
aiyah we all know she is troublemaker, loser and troll
anyway as long as tis rubbish topic is in this rubbish forum, keep it this way, dont pollute other forums
if all these are considered rubbish by you, then why are you constantly trawling around here? surely, you have higher grounds to go and better things to do? or....
anyway, peace.
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Originally posted by iceFatboy:
if all these are considered rubbish by you, then why are you constantly trawling around here? surely, you have higher grounds to go and better things to do? or....
anyway, peace.
why not? its either here or jokes forum -
Originally posted by laurence82:
Alcoholismyou do not waste a drop of that damn liquid!
haha, I understand now.
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Originally posted by iceFatboy:
hi, just my little gentle reminder.
I am a christian, & I do know there is only one god.
Yes, some may come and tramp on your toes, but there is no need to engage in these pointless communications that to me, is not glorifying God, but instead the reverse.
trust me, certain things, we just have to leave it and things will move. the more we fight it, it may just bear wrong fruits.
peace, bless you.
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Originally posted by laurence82:
why not? its either here or jokes forumokay, enjoy your stay..
bye.
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Originally posted by laurence82:
so u advocate or do not advocate what she is doing?firstly, what she is doing, I don't judge.
but in an ironically way, I see similiarity.
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Originally posted by iceFatboy:
firstly, what she is doing, I don't judge.
but in an ironically way, I see similiarity.
same thing all over againchristian start this topic but blast the non believers, then come up with i dont judge blah blah
ah well, typical
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Originally posted by S.gal83:
Every religion required some kinds of faith to believe in, including the buddhist faith.In buddhism, you believe in karma. Yet, you don't believe in the Creator God. So, with regard to karma, what 'evil' did the first animals did in their past lives to be born as the first animals instead of being born human? What good did the first 'human being' done to be born as a human being and not an animal? Who started karma, who was the law behind karma. Since there is no creator God in buddhism, who was responsible for the first karma?
Secondly buddhism preached about not killing anything. And this is a good teaching. But what about in the case of an insect that can cause plague to come onto the entire human race? Should the insects be killed because of the plague, or should the 'no killing' belief of buddhism applied even in the case of a plague causing insect?
Thirdly, buddhism preached about leaving the family to seek enlightenment. In this case, a person became a monk or a nun. Don't you think this defy the logic? If every man or woman choose to become a monk or a nun as a result of the buddhist faith, where will the family be? Who will help to ensure the human race continue to survive by procreation?
Finally, the population of the earth's animals had reduced creatly in years due to humans' hunting of the animal population. Yet, I observed that mankind is not doing less evil, but more evil day after day. What happened to karma? Why are these evil men not being born to be animals? And if they are born as animals, why are the number of animal population reducing?
I pose these questions not to attack the buddhist religion, but to show that every religion had their own loophole.
I remeber that buddhists respect all religions, yet from the behaviours of many buddhists here, I do not see how buddhists respect all other religions. Why will a buddhist attack the christian faith if the buddhist really respect all religions.
Do you see me going to the buddhist forums and asking all kinds of difficult questions, to make you lose faith in your buddhism? I only remember asking in the buddhist forum about what buddhist think of Jesus, and that is out of a great curiousity.
To end it off, I will like to thank some of the buddhists here who do not attack the christian faith, but merely post here to clarify the concept of buddhism. It is people like you that makes religious harmony a posible experience.
Finally, I will end with a quotation of the bible verse.
Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.
Let's not boast about our own religion like as if it is the greatest, and let's not attack each other because of religious differences.
God bless,
S.gal
On karma: there is no 'first animals' nor 'first humans'. Mindstreams have no beginning. This current universe did had a beginning, but there were previous universes. The cycle goes ad infinitum and is propelled by causes and conditions... there is no source or beginning to this process of becoming.
Also, karma is simply natural cause and effect. It is not a law created by someone else.
On insects killing: there are many alternatives to killing insects. Posted this 5 years ago: Hello, my master Ven. Shen Kai offered a solution to Ants and Co-ckroaches (avoiding filter). He also mentioned about mosquitoes (but I can't remember well for that one). I will summarise a few points below.
Ants - put some Mei2 You2 near their home, they dislike the Mei2 You2 and will definitely move away from their home to somewhere else. To give the ants a sense of direction where to go you may put some food nearby, and they will go and live there. But don't put the food too far as it may be difficult for them to travel that far distance.
Co-ckroach - get some empty Wu3 Jia1 Pi2 Jiu3 (a type of Chinese traditional beer?). Co-ckroaches love to have a beer and will all go inside. Then you can throw the cans into a dirty place i.e trash can and let them live in their paradise. I don't know about other beers, you all could experiment yourself.
Mosquitoes - I can remember only he mentionwd two ways - burning that mosquito 'incense', or using some kind of electronic device that could make them sterilised and not be able to reproduce babies.
So we do not necessarily need to kill them to get rid of the pests. Wisdom will be of good use.On renunciation - renunciation has many kinds, you can be renounced mentally but not physically, you can be renounced physically but not mentally, or you can be both.
True enlightenment does require some level of 'inner renunciation' (non-attachment), but not necessarily outer renunciation.
In other words, becoming a monk is not a requirement for enlightenment. There are many enlightened lay persons. But those who want to focus their lives on spiritual practice may choose to become a monk. I didn't.
Also, 'if everyone becomes monk and nuns' is an impossibility, this is a scenario that can never happen. But to answer you anyway: in Buddhism, we do not advocate that everyone must become a monk or a nun to be a good Buddhist. The Buddha never expected everyone to become a monk. Buddhism has four supports or 'wheels' - Bhikkhus (monk), Bhikkshunis (nuns), layman, and laywoman.
Many people think that Buddhism is only about monks and nuns... not knowing that Buddhism is highly dependent on layman and laywoman - they are the ones supporting the monks financially. Monks cannot survive without layman, and layman (buddhists) do not get their spiritual nourishment without a dedicated sangha (monastic community) spreading the teachings. They are interdependent.
Last question about population - this is answered by understanding that in Buddhism, there are 6 realms and not just two or three. 6 realms are made of the 3 lower realms of hell, hungry ghost and animal, and the 3 higher realms of human, asuras, and devas/celestial beings. Furthermore: according to the Buddhist worldview there are countless planets, galaxies, universes inhabited by sentient lives. Therefore do not limit your view to a very limited perspective of this planet... or even a small group of species.
I understand that some Buddhist(s) (rooney? not sure if there is anybody else) have been quite hard on Christianity on this forum. To this, there is nothing much I can do - but my advise for these people would be that it is more beneficial posting (in the Buddhist forum of course) and learning about Buddhism than to argue non stop against the existence of a creator. What is the point anyway? It's not like a few logical arguments can easily convince someone who follows a path by faith.
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Originally posted by S.gal83:
If you refer to experiences that people encounter like people remembering all about their past lives, etc, these are instances that do shed a good light on buddhism.But Christianty also have its own range of miracles. There are many people who pray to the christian God and they get healed of their terminal illness. For one case I knowm personally of, this woman had a tube inserted by the doctor inside her body. She prayed to Jesus for healing and the tube totally disappeared. The doctor was puzzled about the tube as well.
Miracles occur in every religion, not just buddhism.
And about animals, isn't the population of animals declining, due to loss of natural habitats etc? Yet, we see mankind still doing many evil. If people get reincarnated for doing evil, then more animals ought to exist, because these evil people will be born in their next lives as animals.
You forgot that evil people can get reborn in the ghost realm or the hell realm. Not just animal.
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Originally posted by parn:
You should earn alot of money then throw them at poor people in india, buy them lifetime supply of curry powder and naan.Then print out many copies of your own "eliteness" in simple language and give them out freely to the poor people.
Then you wait for people to say you're enlightened and you're god and you're a legend of india.
Maybe the government even grant you VIP status in india and every lamp posts and trees in india will have your name carved onto them for eternity to admire, who knows right?
Learn from Buddha, use your wealth wisely to buy you eternal legend and create your own religion.
And when people ask you about your teacher, just tell them you're a self-awaken god...like those one of a kind among 1000000 millions people type....no need teacher but got super self-awareness capabilities.
But show them how to improve their curries and naan, and in time to come, you can even replace krishna and shiva.
You aren't listening. Buddha kept no money after he became a monk.
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Originally posted by parn:
S.gal83, you're so right with what you have said in this post.
There is really quite a number of posts attacking christian religion in this christian forum. And most of these attackers are probably buddhist who were supposed to be promotiing peace.
At least we christians are smart and sensible because we don't go into other forums to attack their religion, cos we know our topic will be closed by those closed minded buddhist moderators.
Most are atheists, not Buddhists.
I have not closed a topic on my forum this year except if it is advertising spam. We are open to any discussions as long as it is related to Buddhism.
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Originally posted by parn:
Why must tell you....I'm humble, not like those show-off buddhists who go around telling people they got dunno what awesome enlightenment and you need to pay them respect.That's why I never ask you to give me respect, because I'm humble and very enlightened.
Don't force me to awaken my buddha sense and summon one big buddha statue on top of your head ya~
The point of declaring enlightenment is not so that you can gain respect. In fact, to choose between obscurity and respect, I and Buddha would have chosen for obscurity.
For example, as I stated earlier the Buddha actually wanted to stay quiet about his enlightenment until he was asked to teach what he knew. He thought it was too troublesome, and too profound for others to understand. But finally he was convinced there were those with 'little dust on their eyes' who are ready for the truth.
To start teaching, he had to declare that (yes, he did many times including the first few times he actually started to teach) he had in fact attained full and un-excelled awakening. After instructing them, they too (his students) attained awakening and liberation.
Had he not made such a declaration, nobody would have bothered to follow the path, because why would you walk a path if it hadn't led someone to fruition? In other words, what is the point of Buddhism at all if you can't attain enlightenment (when the whole point of Buddhism is to be enlightened and liberated)?
The same goes today... yes, there had been countless enlightened people in the past. But if we do not make enlightenment a known possibility, then people may have the notion that 'oh, enlightenment is something in the past' or 'enlightenment is not possible for me' or 'enlightenment is only for the Buddha' or 'enlightenment is for some special elite spiritual beings up on the pedestal', which are pure crap.
Enlightenment is very common even today. And it should be made known that this is a very real possibility, and that by following the Buddhist path, it does lead to the intended fruitions.
It is definitely bullshit to think that by attaining enlightenment, you will be worshipped... firstly Buddhists don't worship anyone. Secondly, respect is pretty ordinary - I mean you give respect even to friends, etc. There's nothing that special about respect... and this is not the point at all. If I were to discuss awakening to Buddhists, the most common response that I got would be 'ah I see, another one who got it', or 'congrats', or they might ask me a few things about it if they are curious.
But it's really not like if I talk about it they would start kneeling on their knees or something.
Why? Because awakening is not an out-of-human kind of achievement. In fact I am still living a very ordinary life and most of my friends have no ideas of my spiritual practices and experiences, and simply treat me like a normal friend. (and I have no compulsion to discuss these things with them either)
Think of it like getting a university degree.... so what if you do get a university degree and proclaim it? Nobody would be that 'surprised' would they. They may congrats you, and so on, but nothing really that 'surprising'. Why? Because when you go to a university, you are meant to graduate with a degree so it is no surprise. And likewise, when you enter Buddhism, you are meant to become enlightened (if you do practice it and most don't) so it is no surprise.
Another thing is this... although awakening is not rare, there is indeed a taboo to discuss enlightenment at least in open public (this wasn't the case in Buddha's time though) probably because of the many weird misconcepts about enlightenment that it has become not so helpful to talk about these in public which could lead to further misunderstandings, division, projection, comparison, etc. (as evidently shown in this thread)
Yet, I still believe this should be discussed openly in hopes that more people know that enlightenment is real in this day and age.
BG 009: Enlightened Teachers | Buddhist Geeks
Episode Description:
In this episode, with Theravada teacher Daniel Ingram, he breaches the taboo of enlightenment by discussing the enlightenment of other teachers. Not only that but he argues for a more transparent approach to enlightenment within certain teaching circles, in hopes that enlightenment can become more attainable. Listen and see why he thinks this will help.
This is Part 2 of a three-part series. Listen to Part 1, You Can Do It! and Part 3, Models of Enlightenment.
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Originally posted by parn:
Buddha is also a decendant of the Jews, and buddha is also a jew.
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Buddha was Indian.
If he had Jew ancestry, that was certainly not something I have heard of.
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Originally posted by parn:
It's takes a while for buddhists to understand that their religion is man-made and conjured out of thin air, especially the enlightenment part.I don't need any enlightenment in here, maybe buddha was kind and didn't want to disappoint his followers and lie to them to give them faith that he was enlightened to the highest level already.
With no teacher to double-check and test the enlightenment, means that there is actually no way to prove enlightenment at all.
I think my enlightenment has reached the gold/diamond level already, but I just don't want to show off only.
There are in fact many accomplished teachers who you can 'double check' with and anyway Buddha had given a guideline of what constitutes enlightenment... beyond that I shall not elaborate too much as this is not a Buddhist forum.
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the joker who is losing a battle claims that she is winning the war..
carry a pc of brick and smash your own leg kinda thread and replies