take joss stick after baptism
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Originally posted by pavarotti:
Point 3 is hilarious.Who say you cannot go to places of worships of other faiths?I known a strict Baptist went for services in Catholic Church.
Hello, I mean Buddhist and Taoist temples. -
Originally posted by Juneseah 22:
just check wat if a person is a christian, he/she go temple? Does he/she unfaithful to Jeuns....
It is not a matter of faith. Some Christians believe that temples are satanic, so it is against God and will go to hell if do that. Some claim that they fall ill after entering Buddhist or Taoist temples. So weak. Don't just believe what they say, think for yourself what they say is it logical. Open your eyes to observe and analyse.
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Originally posted by Pinknutri:
It is not a matter of faith. Some Christians believe that temples are satanic, so it is against God and will go to hell if do that. Some claim that they fall ill after entering Buddhist or Taoist temples. So weak. Don't just believe what they say, think for yourself what they say is it logical. Open your eyes to observe and analyse.
It is their heart and mind that make them weak or so call sick. -
Originally posted by Juneseah 22:
What happen if a person he/she had baptism and she take joss stick? what will hapen to he person? Plse help me?
Hi June, it's all a matter of intentions. For example, when we attend a wake where there are joss sticks, showing respect to the deceased by holding joss sticks is okay, especially if such an action brings comfort to the loved ones of the deceased. As a Christian, we are called to love others and not to judge.
Don't worry about offending God just by holding joss sticks, the act of love and concern to others is more important.
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Originally posted by Pinknutri:
Some claim that they fall ill after entering Buddhist or Taoist temples.
this is self delusion -
this is 2010 already, I am still amazed still got people believe in those ancient holy book who are unknown and full of paradoxes and deluded stories.
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ancient people think that thunder is an act of god, but in this day and age, is thunder still considered as act of god? we have this thing called science isnt it.
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then male Christians dare to go un-circumcised ????
don't forget leh..........God almost had Noah's head becoz he never potong..........
a God that's obsessed with foreskins .............aiyoh............don't know what to say lah...............
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is it true bible state god fetish with circumcised skins meh?
pls show quote leh as proof.
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Originally posted by Pinknutri:
Holding joss sticks is a small matter. If this cannot be done, this just got to show how weak the religion. If you are a new Christian, you will hear more of the things which cannot be done. Let me lists you some here :
1) cannot eat offerings food
2) cannot have dragons or anything very Chinese (fengshui etc) at home.
3) cannot enter Taoist and Buddhist Temples (Taoists and Buddhists can enter Church, why Christians cannot enter temples? I ever seen Muslims enter Buddhist Lodge Temple).
4) cannot do flower arrangements, yoga etc
Many more
Really? But I've already done them all before I was a Christian and continue to do them all after I am a Christian.How? Will I get some form of punishment from GOD?
And if GOD doesn't punish me, will the Church punish me?
I'm very worried and scared right now, please help me.
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dun worry. i will.
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Originally posted by Rooney9:
is it true bible state god fetish with circumcised skins meh?
pls show quote leh as proof.
go to AnointedBible.com...........i think..............the website tell you the exact quote in the bible........and the meaning........
let me warn you though............there's so much absurdity found in the bible........you might just die of laughter.......
got one talk about Noah or Job..........i can't remember which famous bible character...........he had a THREESOME with his 2 daughters..............and they bore him couple of children...........
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Originally posted by parn:
Really? But I've already done them all before I was a Christian and continue to do them all after I am a Christian.How? Will I get some form of punishment from GOD?
And if GOD doesn't punish me, will the Church punish me?
I'm very worried and scared right now, please help me.
only you can punish yourself.................imaginery Gods can't hurt you................
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can commit suicide
best way to punish urself
god will help u if u help urself
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Hehehehehehe, I'm very scared...come come after me.
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Originally posted by Asromanista2001:
go to AnointedBible.com...........i think..............the website tell you the exact quote in the bible........and the meaning........
let me warn you though............there's so much absurdity found in the bible........you might just die of laughter.......
got one talk about Noah or Job..........i can't remember which famous bible character...........he had a THREESOME with his 2 daughters..............and they bore him couple of children...........
oic. no thanks lar, i am not interested in reading these far fetched fables.
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Originally posted by Asromanista2001:
go to AnointedBible.com...........i think..............the website tell you the exact quote in the bible........and the meaning........
let me warn you though............there's so much absurdity found in the bible........you might just die of laughter.......
got one talk about Noah or Job..........i can't remember which famous bible character...........he had a THREESOME with his 2 daughters..............and they bore him couple of children...........
so do you feel pity for people who believed these as truths and regard other religions as satanic and false?
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Originally posted by Demon Bane:
Nope, I'm just a guy, a demon slayer...not a demon. Hahaha!
LOL.... OK. =)
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God does not say can't hold joss stick. Human beings say that!
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Well, in the Old Testament incense was often used as an offering, and the Catholic, Anglican and Orthodox churches still use incense in their services. Joss sticks are just a different form of incense, so i don't see why they can't use it. My relatives are predominantly Christian (i'm not) so no issue but i think certain people get too carried away and interpret that offering joss sticks = praying to idols, devils, etc...
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Free thinker here but actually end of day I guess when paying respects to the dead and when joss sticks are required. Just offer joss sticks to pay respects to the dead as a mark of respect.
So long as you dont pray to another god, I believe its not a sin. =) -
Originally posted by Ystrongman:
God does not say can't hold joss stick. Human beings say that!
lol
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Originally posted by Ystrongman:
God does not say can't hold joss stick. Human beings say that!
I do agreed with you. -
This is an incense btw, specifically, incense burner
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Originally posted by Juneseah 22:
What happen if a person he/she had baptism and she take joss stick? what will hapen to he person? Plse help me?
Hi JuneSeah22
You are asking a valid question. Most probably, you or someone around is struggling with this issue of taking joss stick.
A joss stick is but a joss stick, it is made from wood powder that is mixed with perfume. In the ancient day, it was used as an instrument to communicate with the higher beings that we called god. Besides, it was burn in rich man home to refresh the room. As air fresher was not invented back then. In today context, people use it as aromatherapy in the spa or home which for the latter purpose. At the same time, people used it for religious purpose like the former.
The issue arise especially when a Christian need to honour the dead which is our parent or forefather. Of course, the converted Christian will take the joss stick to respect the dead as it is in the custom of Chinese. In order not to upset the family and relatives present at the mourning or memorial occasion. However, if she does so, it may invite reprimand from the church mates for this simple act. The churchmates presence might associate the act of taking or burning of joss stick to demon worship. However, there is a saying, “When you are in Rome, do as the Romans do.” We need to question the act through proper analysis.
Firstly, does it cause harm to oneself or the others. Secondly, how can one parent or forefather who gave birth to us be a demon? Thirdly, if you attend a Catholic funeral, you will notice that incense is offer to God as purification for the dead body.
Last time, when I was a Christian, I love to burn incense in my room as an aromatherapy, however I was staying with a church mate. He was uncomfortable with it. He will associate the simply incense to demon worship. One fine day, when I was away, he came into my room, took the incense holder kit and threw away. When I realise it, it was too late. It taught me a lesson. People can be over spiritual and zealous still one forgot how to respect people property. Why a born again Christian should fret over an insignificant incense kit and associate it with demon. Isn’t the God, he serve more powerful than any other name? What is there to fear? That made me embarks on a faith searching journey.
Anyway, once I run into a Christian who was buying some incense offering in a shop. I ask him, “Why is he doing this since he is a Christian.” He replied, “At my mum death bed, she was having a hard time passing on despite of my plea for her to receive Christ. She rejected my plea and she made me to promise her as the only son to continue made offering to her when she passed on. When I agreed, she died peacefully.”
“Despite of my church mate’s objection, I will continue to make offering to her. Because it is a pain to see my mother who give birth to me to struggle at death bed. I would prefer to see her died in peace then pain. A promise is a promise. I will fulfil it as a filial piety act, as long as I am alive” He lamented.
Well, whether one should performed the act. It will depend on yourself. Chinese has a good saying, “饮水æ€�æº�” Even Children of Israel is mindful of their forefather Joseph, why not us?
Exodus 13:19
Moses took the bones of Joseph with him because Joseph had made the Israelites swear an oath. He had said, “God will surely come to your aid, and then you must carry my bones up with you from this place.”