Originally posted by Argyle:
I'm well aware of the answer to my questions, no. We'll still live in fear of terrorism, and terrorists will still be around to ruin everyone's day. Nobody will be happy until the Islamization of the US is complete:
i agree with you, the answer is no. but hav you even wonder why you'll still live in fear, and why terrorists will still be around to ruin everyone's day?
let's say the book got burned. does that mean the US is no longer in fear of terrorism? have all the terrorists gone away now? the answer is still a resounding no.
in fact, such action of hatred creates more hatred and increase everyone's fear and the likelihood that someone will be around to ruin your day.
sadly and obviously, this is not obvious enough to many who are clouded with hatred and fear.
Let them try!
Then we can burn bible!
Islam must prove to Singapore and America that it is a religion of peace not a form of terrorism.It is right to burn it in defense of our nation.
Originally posted by googoomuck:You have wasted precious energy again!
"In Narathiwat province, a 54-year old Buddhist and his 52-year old wife were gunned down while they riding a bike. Both of them were teachers and they were on their way to work.
The Muslim insurgents have threatened to kill 20 teachers altogether and these two are the first victims of the series. They have distributed fliers that said, “WANTED: 20 Deaths of Buddhist teachers.” "
I'm not wasting my energy. I'm just trying to prove that there are terrorists in Christianity. While Christianity accuse others of terrorism, please look at your own people first.
lol ! whats wrong to burn newspaper.....but do not burn unnecessarily as it contributes to environment disorder that will result to human disorder. Anyway, no one wants to burn their personal passport or birth ceritificate for no reason.
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It is obsolute lunacy to burn a religious book like the Quran - some more burning it in a Church by an idiotic Church Pastor & getting away scot free without any legal action by the US Government.
The collateral damage of the act will be immense in terms of the hatred, anger & destructive reactions from the Muslims who will definitely generalized this blasphemy as an act of all Americans.
Fortunately this jerk chicken out at the last moment but I am pretty sure although he did not carry out the act, his evil thoughts still linger.
Originally posted by Argyle:I'm from the US.
Do I think burning qurans is a good idea? No.
Do I think it will do anything to foster better relationships within religions? No.
Do I support Terry Jones' right to burn them...YES.
I don't want him to burn any Qurans, but the United States has a constitution which gives us many basic rights, many of which are due to Americans giving their lives or fighting for them. The first amendment is a guarantee of free speech and assembly, and that's where this falls under. We also have the 10th amendment, which limits the Federal Government's power...so even if Obama doesn't want it to happen, he can't stop it.
Many years ago there was a big debate in my country about burning the flag. You cannot burn your flag in Singapore, but you can burn the American flag in the US. Many people were outraged and fought to ban burning the flag as it desecrated everything the flag stood for and disrespected the many men and women who gave their lives for it. In the end, people are allowed to burn the flag. The same thing goes with the religious groups who protest funerals of dead soldiers or gays with signs like "God Hates Fags" and "Thank God for Dead Soldiers." If we don't ensure constitutional rights are given to every American, regardless of what we think of them, then eventually no one would have them.
Yeap the blah blah US rights - that why you have crazy folks who feel they have the rights to blow up this and that - yeap US rights !!!
Originally posted by storywolf:
Yeap the blah blah US rights - that why you have crazy folks who feel they have the rights to blow up this and that - yeap US rights !!!
It's easy to mock things you've never had. Keep enjoying your Nanny State.
Originally posted by tripsky:
let's say the book got burned. does that mean the US is no longer in fear of terrorism? have all the terrorists gone away now? the answer is still a resounding no.
in fact, such action of hatred creates more hatred and increase everyone's fear and the likelihood that someone will be around to ruin your day.
sadly and obviously, this is not obvious enough to many who are clouded with hatred and fear.
I know it's a bit chiche, but Benjamin Franklin sums it up perfectly:
"They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety"
Originally posted by Pinknutri:
I'm not wasting my energy. I'm just trying to prove that there are terrorists in Christianity. While Christianity accuse others of terrorism, please look at your own people first.
I don't think anyone is arguing that Christians, especially during The Crusades, didn't committed acts of what we now call terrorism, but if you are really trying to compare stuff that happened centuries ago with the barbaric acts being committed by Muslim fundamentalists now, then you're extremely short-sighted. No one is worried about a Christian detonating himself in a crowd of people. But, I digress....I am not trying to make this a Christian vs. Muslim thing...they can both be irrational. This is a Terrorist vs. US thing, and while not all Muslims are terrorists, nearly all terrorists are Muslim.
Originally posted by Argyle:It's easy to mock things you've never had. Keep enjoying your Nanny State.
I know it's a bit chiche, but Benjamin Franklin sums it up perfectly:
"They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety"
I don't think anyone is arguing that Christians, especially during The Crusades, didn't committed acts of what we now call terrorism, but if you are really trying to compare stuff that happened centuries ago with the barbaric acts being committed by Muslim fundamentalists now, then you're extremely short-sighted. No one is worried about a Christian detonating himself in a crowd of people. But, I digress....I am not trying to make this a Christian vs. Muslim thing...they can both be irrational. This is a Terrorist vs. US thing, and while not all Muslims are terrorists, nearly all terrorists are Muslim.
It's easy to mock things you've never had. Keep enjoying your Nanny State.
hahaha, you know nothing about the Nanny State, but you have the right to utter rubbish. Enjoy your rights and live in fear.
"They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety"
Who is Benjamin Franklin? who is to say who deserves what?
If your essential liberty is the shit out of your mouth, then you deserve no safety.
If your liberty is at the expense of others, then your liberty will only buy your permanent fear.
Confuscious said "己所�欲，勿施于人", "don't do unto others what you don't want done to you."
Immediately after 911, didn't some american asked, "why are people doing all these to america"? I guess many americans have not learnt.
Just remember, others have rights too.
Burning a book, regardless of who finds it sacred, is not the same as killing people.
qouted from sunny123:
Islam must prove to Singapore and America that it is a religion of peace not a form of terrorism.It is right to burn it in defense of our nation.
IF u understand terrorism AT ALL, religion, no matter what kind, is the real victim, always being manipulated. ISLAM DOES NOT NEED TO PROVE ITSELF. terrorism exploits islam and twists it to their own beliefs. get it? terrorism is inevitable, and can take on the form of even christianity, so what then? shall we burn the bible too? shall WE PERSECUTE THE CHRISTIANS UNTIL, LIKE U SAID, CHRISTIANITY CAN SO-CALLED PROVE ITSELF WORTHY OF THIS "REDEMPTION" U SPEAK OF? FYI: if u havent noticed, leading muslim leaders in many nations have already disproved many of the beliefs terrorism promotes. So what then? because of one black sheep, kill THE ENTIRE HERD?
In AFRICA, a terrorist group took on the form of "warriors of God" and went across africa, bombing muslim establishments in the name of 'GOD'. obviously if u support the burning of the quran, then u have no real clue on what terrorism is. RELIGION IS NOT THE CULPRIT, RATHER IT IS THE FEW INDIVIDUALS WHO MANIPULATED RELIGION TO JUSTIFY WHAT THEY DO, GET IT? sunny123's post was what i feel nothing more than a naive, insensitive view.
Originally posted by Casopia-maplesea:qouted from sunny123:
Islam must prove to Singapore and America that it is a religion of peace not a form of terrorism.It is right to burn it in defense of our nation.
IF u understand terrorism AT ALL, religion, no matter what kind, is the real victim, always being manipulated. ISLAM DOES NOT NEED TO PROVE ITSELF. terrorism exploits islam and twists it to their own beliefs. get it? terrorism is inevitable, and can take on the form of even christianity, so what then? shall we burn the bible too? shall WE PERSECUTE THE CHRISTIANS UNTIL, LIKE U SAID, CHRISTIANITY CAN SO-CALLED PROVE ITSELF WORTHY OF THIS "REDEMPTION" U SPEAK OF? FYI: if u havent noticed, leading muslim leaders in many nations have already disproved many of the beliefs terrorism promotes. So what then? because of one black sheep, kill THE ENTIRE HERD?
Unfortunately, I would say yes, that is the way to stop H5N1 virus from spreading in the farms. Terrorism is also this "virus" while religion is not.
I dont know why, but actually in many countries, such as PRC, Russia etc, it is also having Muslim separatists for dunno what reason. Can they really build a country? Will there be any "miracle" for them like Singapore even after they got their independce? The answer is no, and why they want to torture their people. And whatsmore, they go to the extent of terrorism acts. So how to say?
PS: Islam is the religion of "Obey" (�从) and so impractical in the era of 2000s, I think nobody in the right mind would want to go for religion thing, except maybe Christian because it is the largest religion / probably can make new friends there??.
Do you think that women should not allowed to learn driving, or even seek medicial treatment unless it is approved by a male family member? Or do you agree that if a girl (Especially unmarried ones) was raped, the family member must do a "private abortion" on the victim? I heard of one such raping case in Afghan while it is a law in Saudi for women to do things only with male family member's approval. The girls have to ..... obey!
In summary, the Islam religion is the easiest way to breed hardliners, which in turn, is the main root of evil of today's world.
it is sad, then, that because of one individual, the whole community gets persecuted? rather, it is only when u guys truly suffer what the muslims are suffering now do u understand why i say so. to accuse the majority of muslims because of one individual only shows how naive and tragically-misinformed u are.
Originally posted by Casopia-maplesea:it is sad, then, that because of one individual, the whole community gets persecuted? rather, it is only when u guys truly suffer what the muslims are suffering now do u understand why i say so. to accuse the majority of muslims because of one individual only shows how naive and tragically-misinformed u are.
If the world is so simple, then we will got peace.
Well, what people will fear (And actually did applied in olden days as well) is that, if I (Authorities) prosecuted a minority individual / groups of criminals, especially with to do with race / religion thing who involves overthrowing government or even acts of terrorism, the rest of the majority from this race / religion will say "see, the government is supressing us, we should overthrow this government, regardless if its gonna take 5, 10 or 50 years". Well, so I would say, the simplest answer to everything is to 诛�� (English link).
Originally posted by Casopia-maplesea:qouted from sunny123:
Islam must prove to Singapore and America that it is a religion of peace not a form of terrorism.It is right to burn it in defense of our nation.
IF u understand terrorism AT ALL, religion, no matter what kind, is the real victim, always being manipulated. ISLAM DOES NOT NEED TO PROVE ITSELF. terrorism exploits islam and twists it to their own beliefs. get it? terrorism is inevitable, and can take on the form of even christianity, so what then? shall we burn the bible too? shall WE PERSECUTE THE CHRISTIANS UNTIL, LIKE U SAID, CHRISTIANITY CAN SO-CALLED PROVE ITSELF WORTHY OF THIS "REDEMPTION" U SPEAK OF? FYI: if u havent noticed, leading muslim leaders in many nations have already disproved many of the beliefs terrorism promotes. So what then? because of one black sheep, kill THE ENTIRE HERD?
I don't know sunny123 wants proof from whom.The muslims in Singapore has proven to the people of Singapore that they believe in peace and not terrorism.
May be sunny123 should read the quran and see if mohammed can tell him directly what kind of religion is islam. hahaha
Originally posted by sgdiehard:I don't know sunny123 wants proof from whom.The muslims in Singapore has proven to the people of Singapore that they believe in peace and not terrorism.
May be sunny123 should read the quran and see if mohammed can tell him directly what kind of religion is islam. hahaha
I agree that majority of Singaporean muslims have modernized and not affected by terrorism thing. What happen is that it is proven that when muslims are not modernized, which means they lived in their own ancient world, is the primary target for terrorism to spread.
But it seemed that quran etc might have stated something that forbades them to go modernized or what, such that they are the core of the hardliners.
Originally posted by Argyle:Burning a book, regardless of who finds it sacred, is not the same as killing people.
people die for love, honor, ideology, religion, and in 911, people gave up their lives for hatred, it was stupid, cruel, ......but it happened.
What is sacred to some is more valuable than your life. Better you spare them their book, they spare you your life.
Surely if you don't burn the book you have not given up your essential liberty, but it sure brings you some peace. .
"He who considers burning a book his essential liberty knows not what is liberty."
Originally posted by Samuel Lee:I agree that majority of Singaporean muslims have modernized and not affected by terrorism thing. What happen is that it is proven that when muslims are not modernized, which means they lived in their own ancient world, is the primary target for terrorism to spread.
But it seemed that quran etc might have stated something that forbades them to go modernized or what, such that they are the core of the hardliners.
It is like the Jews or Christians who stick on to the old testaments. I understand the armenians are also some who do not agree with modernization. They can be fundamentalists, but not necessary terrorists.
But it is the basic belief in love and respect for others that is lacking. I believe love is taught in all religion and culture. But people do not practice the teaching, twisted it to suit their own agend and desire.
Singaporean muslims are more open to the outside world, they see and they respect without having to emulate. They take moderate stance to accommodate others. In many places, muslims listen only to their religious teachers.
Originally posted by Samuel Lee:Unfortunately, I would say yes, that is the way to stop H5N1 virus from spreading in the farms. Terrorism is also this "virus" while religion is not.
I dont know why, but actually in many countries, such as PRC, Russia etc, it is also having Muslim separatists for dunno what reason. Can they really build a country? Will there be any "miracle" for them like Singapore even after they got their independce? The answer is no, and why they want to torture their people. And whatsmore, they go to the extent of terrorism acts. So how to say?
PS: Islam is the religion of "Obey" (�从) and so impractical in the era of 2000s, I think nobody in the right mind would want to go for religion thing, except maybe Christian because it is the largest religion / probably can make new friends there??.
Do you think that women should not allowed to learn driving, or even seek medicial treatment unless it is approved by a male family member? Or do you agree that if a girl (Especially unmarried ones) was raped, the family member must do a "private abortion" on the victim? I heard of one such raping case in Afghan while it is a law in Saudi for women to do things only with male family member's approval. The girls have to ..... obey!
In summary, the Islam religion is the easiest way to breed hardliners, which in turn, is the main root of evil of today's world.
In summary, the Islam religion is the easiest way to breed hardliners, which in turn, is the main root of evil of today's world.
this I fully agree.
Originally posted by Casopia-maplesea:it is sad, then, that because of one individual, the whole community gets persecuted? rather, it is only when u guys truly suffer what the muslims are suffering now do u understand why i say so. to accuse the majority of muslims because of one individual only shows how naive and tragically-misinformed u are.
The trouble is that the one individual acted in the name of the religion.
The trouble with the other good muslims is that they WILL NOT condemn the treacherous acts of the muslims terrorists, for they are "BROTHERS".
Originally posted by Pinknutri:I'm not wasting my energy. I'm just trying to prove that there are terrorists in Christianity. While Christianity accuse others of terrorism, please look at your own people first.
You didn't prove a thing!
If the Korean Buddhists are not in conflict with the Christians, the celibate monks would fight with the married monks over the control of temples.
"Buddhism continued to lose followers to Christian missionaries, who were able to capitalize on these weaknesses."
Compared with the murderers of Buddhist teachers, the Korean Christians are like Red Cross volunteers!
Originally posted by richong 3216:It is obsolute lunacy to burn a religious book like the Quran - some more burning it in a Church by an idiotic Church Pastor & getting away scot free without any legal action by the US Government.
The collateral damage of the act will be immense in terms of the hatred, anger & destructive reactions from the Muslims who will definitely generalized this blasphemy as an act of all Americans.
Fortunately this jerk chicken out at the last moment but I am pretty sure although he did not carry out the act, his evil thoughts still linger.
asking which pastor is a moral person or a god believers is like asking who doesnt masturbate
lolz
Originally posted by sgdiehard:It is like the Jews or Christians who stick on to the old testaments. I understand the armenians are also some who do not agree with modernization. They can be fundamentalists, but not necessary terrorists.
But it is the basic belief in love and respect for others that is lacking. I believe love is taught in all religion and culture. But people do not practice the teaching, twisted it to suit their own agend and desire.
Singaporean muslims are more open to the outside world, they see and they respect without having to emulate. They take moderate stance to accommodate others. In many places, muslims listen only to their religious teachers.
I agree, somehow Islam is not so lucky to have more such people in modern era. Whats worse is like u mentioned:
The trouble with the other good muslims is that they WILL NOT condemn the treacherous acts of the muslims terrorists, for they are "BROTHERS".
Do you think that after you murdered people, and say I believe in whichever god = no need to go for punishment in hell after death?
Preceisely this is the reason, hence if I am the ruler, I would give a reason to "诛��" on these fundamentalists and to any degree of their supporters so that they wont revenge on me and brought peace, despite any underhand means also must seriously consider.
well i dont even see christians condemn their own trolls, so i dont expect any other people to reciprocate in kind