why anti christians can't leave christians alone?
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Originally posted by sgdiehard:
let me give you another piece of advice. If you are a policeman, you should not sleep well when criminals are at large. If you are somehow related to the criminals you ought not sleep well for you had not done your part to help the criminals from committing the crime. If you were there witnessing the crime, you ought to be ashamed of yourself if you had not done your part to stop the crime.Your sleepless nights wont save the world, pride and self righteousness often blind the conscience. time to wake up!!!!
true true, people who claim to do good or pray to god are often the ones without conscience
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Originally posted by laurence82:
i am amazed at people who pray to god and got no conscience
It is not what whether they pray or not, it is what they pray.Judging others conscience is a self righteous act.
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Originally posted by laurence82:
true true, people who claim to do good or pray to god are often the ones without conscience
what do people claim when they don't do good and don't pray at all?
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Originally posted by sgdiehard:
It is not what whether they pray or not, it is what they pray.Judging others conscience is a self righteous act.
if YOU say so...its only YOU....YOU know.....ego and pride
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Originally posted by sgdiehard:
what do people claim when they don't do good and don't pray at all?
i dont know...claim entertainment or travel expense from their company?
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Originally posted by laurence82:
if YOU say so...its only YOU....YOU know.....ego and pride
who else are you representing? I cannot speak for any others, its me.
If you are not YOU, I will not disturb you.
Have a good day.
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Originally posted by sgdiehard:
who else are you representing? I cannot speak for any others, its me.
If you are not YOU, I will not disturb you.
Have a good day.
yah, thank u for recognizing its only your lowly opinion
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Originally posted by bingqibu:
Living a morally good life is not enough for salvation.You still need Jesus Christ because we are borned sinners.
Not to offend you.I think it only applicable to christian pple.
For non christian pple, they definately wont agreed with you.
So do I.
I just wonder what is the meaning of 'we are borned sinners', who are the 'we'? You mean 'we' are the 'we' that live in the earth?
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Originally posted by likeyou:
Not to offend you.I think it only applicable to christian pple.
For non christian pple, they definately wont agreed with you.
So do I.
I just wonder what is the meaning of 'we are borned sinners', who are the 'we'? You mean 'we' are the 'we' that live in the earth?
Talking and replying to yourself does not offend anyone.
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Originally posted by likeyou:
Not to offend you.I think it only applicable to christian pple.
For non christian pple, they definately wont agreed with you.
So do I.
I just wonder what is the meaning of 'we are borned sinners', who are the 'we'? You mean 'we' are the 'we' that live in the earth?
I was waiting for bingqibu to reply. Unfortunately.....
You sound sincere in your question. To us Christian, all men (and women) are creation of God, and it is the wish of God that the created are ultimately reunited with Him in eternity. What separate us from God is sin. It is our belief that we are born with the root of sin, away from God, e.g. human are more prone to do bad things than good.
To be reunited with God, man's effort to do good would be in vain because of our sinful nature. In God's love, Jesus made the sacrifice on the cross to make atonement for our sin, so that we can be reunited with God. That is our belief.
Of course, non Christian would not agree with us, for if they believe, they would be Christians.
To believe in God, and accepting Jesus is an individual choice.
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Originally posted by sgdiehard:
I was waiting for bingqibu to reply. Unfortunately.....
You sound sincere in your question. To us Christian, all men (and women) are creation of God, and it is the wish of God that the created are ultimately reunited with Him in eternity. What separate us from God is sin. It is our belief that we are born with the root of sin, away from God, e.g. human are more prone to do bad things than good.
To be reunited with God, man's effort to do good would be in vain because of our sinful nature. In God's love, Jesus made the sacrifice on the cross to make atonement for our sin, so that we can be reunited with God. That is our belief.
Of course, non Christian would not agree with us, for if they believe, they would be Christians.
To believe in God, and accepting Jesus is an individual choice.
God is also sinned, he admitted in the bible that he had done evil to humans and he repented.
32:14 "And the Lord repented of the evil which he though to do unto his people."..................
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Originally posted by Pinknutri:
God is also sinned, he admitted in the bible that he had done evil to humans and he repented.
32:14 "And the Lord repented of the evil which he though to do unto his people."..................
32:12 of which book in the Bible?? -
Originally posted by sgdiehard:
I was waiting for bingqibu to reply. Unfortunately.....
You sound sincere in your question. To us Christian, all men (and women) are creation of God, and it is the wish of God that the created are ultimately reunited with Him in eternity. What separate us from God is sin. It is our belief that we are born with the root of sin, away from God, e.g. human are more prone to do bad things than good.
To be reunited with God, man's effort to do good would be in vain because of our sinful nature. In God's love, Jesus made the sacrifice on the cross to make atonement for our sin, so that we can be reunited with God. That is our belief.
Of course, non Christian would not agree with us, for if they believe, they would be Christians.
To believe in God, and accepting Jesus is an individual choice.
I like the way you said or phrase out especially the last sentences.Unlike others, they seem to be stone head.
Thanks for your information.
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Originally posted by Pinknutri:
God is also sinned, he admitted in the bible that he had done evil to humans and he repented.
32:14 "And the Lord repented of the evil which he though to do unto his people."..................
oh...so meaning that all including god are sinful.Only thing is god repented wholeheartly to become god while human remain sinful throughout thier entire life. Am I right to say that?
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Originally posted by sgdiehard:
32:12 of which book in the Bible??See the link below. It is in the bible (KJV) :
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Originally posted by likeyou:
oh...so meaning that all including god are sinful.Only thing is god repented wholeheartly to become god while human remain sinful throughout thier entire life. Am I right to say that?
No, God committed the evil when he is a God. He repented and remained as God. It is not he repented and becomes God, it is different.
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Originally posted by Pinknutri:
No, God committed the evil when he is a God. He repented and remained as God. It is not he repented and becomes God, it is different.
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Originally posted by Pinknutri:
See the link below. It is in the bible (KJV) :
Read any book and take a sentence out of a whole passage and interpret it independently, you are likely to be completely out of context.
Vs 9 and 10 says that, “LORD said unto Moses, I have seen this people, and, behold, it is a stiffnecked people. Now therefore let me alone, that my wrath may wax hot against them, and that I may consume them”.
Then Moses spoke for the people “And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.”
In simple English, as in the NIV version, “Lord said to Moses that your people…have corrupted themselves, …. My wrath may burn hot against them and that I may destroy them”. Then Moses spoke for the people “then the LORD relented and did not bring on his people the disaster he had threatened.”
What was to be done to the people was an intended punishment to the people for worshiping calf made of gold, it was not with ill intention to inflict harm to the people for other reasons. Locking up a people is an evil deed of depriving a person of his freedom, but putting a criminal in jail is a punishment.
You may still hold on to the idea that what God was about to do to his people, by bringing disaster to them, by destroying them, as something evil, as the word in the KJV implies, but read carefully, did God do what he threatened and then he repented? The answer is NO.
I will not go further in giving you any explanation.
I take it that you were misled by the wordings in the KJV, you are now corrected.
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Originally posted by sgdiehard:
Read any book and take a sentence out of a whole passage and interpret it independently, you are likely to be completely out of context.
Vs 9 and 10 says that, “LORD said unto Moses, I have seen this people, and, behold, it is a stiffnecked people. Now therefore let me alone, that my wrath may wax hot against them, and that I may consume them”.
Then Moses spoke for the people “And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.”
In simple English, as in the NIV version, “Lord said to Moses that your people…have corrupted themselves, …. My wrath may burn hot against them and that I may destroy them”. Then Moses spoke for the people “then the LORD relented and did not bring on his people the disaster he had threatened.”
What was to be done to the people was an intended punishment to the people for worshiping calf made of gold, it was not with ill intention to inflict harm to the people for other reasons. Locking up a people is an evil deed of depriving a person of his freedom, but putting a criminal in jail is a punishment.
You may still hold on to the idea that what God was about to do to his people, by bringing disaster to them, by destroying them, as something evil, as the word in the KJV implies, but read carefully, did God do what he threatened and then he repented? The answer is NO.
I will not go further in giving you any explanation.
I take it that you were misled by the wordings in the KJV, you are now corrected.
If the bible stories are real, God had sent flood to mankind or how the Noah's Ark comes about ?
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Originally posted by Pinknutri:
If the bible stories are real, God had sent flood to mankind or how the Noah's Ark comes about ?
Yes, what was recorded in the Bible were true. God did send flood to wipe out the whole mankind at that time, only Noah and his family were saved.
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Originally posted by sgdiehard:
Yes, what was recorded in the Bible were true. God did send flood to wipe out the whole mankind at that time, only Noah and his family were saved.
God is violent sia. if we teach our children violence is not the way to end it, then what does this signify when god sent a flood to wipe out mankind? full of paradoxes as usual.
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One can spread one's ''worldly'' riches more and more and
more, one can spread one's empire of political
domination, another can (and may) spread one's religious empire - but it is all the same! The desire is to manipulate, to dominate more and more people. Is not this politics behind the cloak of religiosity? One who understands is conscious has no need for a power trip! Beware the pious egoism.