Why Human CREATED Religions?
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Originally posted by sgdiehard:
road side salesman will invite you to visit their showrooms, their sales talks...it is up to you to decide if you go or no go.
If you don't believe in God, and are invited to a church, a temple, a mosque, and you go in to tell them they are teaching the wrong thing? tell me, who are being insensitive?
Wah I am really disgusted with you pushing responsibility like this.
It is always the salesperson's fault if he tells lies about his product or gives false info.
I really doubt your integrity
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Originally posted by Tcmc:
I cant believe you can totally ignore your errors and then fault others of their errors.
I can't believe that you are still projecting.
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Originally posted by sgdiehard:
The answer was given to you, "Jesus was born of a Jewish family when he was on earth."
I didn't mean you are stupid, but to argue about something that doesn't exist is stupid.
Jesus did exist as a man what. Who say he dont exist? Many nonchristian scholars do agree jesus did exist as a human.
Jesus = 100% God = Jewish
Simple equation, you cant understand?
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Originally posted by Tcmc:
Wah I am really disgusted with you pushing responsibility like this.
It is always the salesperson's fault if he tells lies about his product or gives false info.
I really doubt your integrity
No, you have the responsibility to decide whether you want to stop to listen to the salesman or not? unless you are underaged and not in a position to decide for yourself, then the law will protect you. If you go in and sign to buy a 3 millions $ house, you are not responsible.
But if you know that this is a church, a temple and a mosque, and you, an adult, go in and tell them there is no God, what you guys doing are wrong, then you are being insensitive, and rude, and show no respect.... you are worse than the road side sales man, for they sell in a public place, you walk into a place where people worship God!
doubt my integrity? hehehehe....
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Originally posted by Tcmc:
Wah I am really disgusted with you pushing responsibility like this.
It is always the salesperson's fault if he tells lies about his product or gives false info.
I really doubt your integrity
no use asking xtians on this. they will always find some excuses or reasons to justify their peers behaviours. its like asking the loan sharks on advises from borrowing excessively
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Originally posted by Tcmc:
Jesus did exist as a man what. Who say he dont exist? Many nonchristian scholars do agree jesus did exist as a human.
Jesus = 100% God = Jewish
Simple equation, you cant understand?
Jesus was born of a Jewish family when he was on earth, Jesus died on the cross, he ate with the tax collectors, he did everything that a man did, ...so who says he was not a man?
but Jesus was a man, and he was Jewish, and he is a God, so God is Jewish....this is mathematically equation?
You are a man, and you are not so smart, and you are also a teacher in school, so teachers in schools are not so smart? hahahaha, simple equation?
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Originally posted by Jacky Woo:
no use asking xtians on this. they will always find some excuses or reasons to justify their peers behaviours. its like asking the loan sharks on advises from borrowing excessively
you can ask loan sharks on advises from borrowing excessively, but don't tell them you are the police!!!
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Originally posted by Jacky Woo:
no use asking xtians on this. they will always find some excuses or reasons to justify their peers behaviours. its like asking the loan sharks on advises from borrowing excessively
Jacky
sgdiehard actually said that it was the buyers' fault to listen to the salesperson if the salesperson is lying.
Yea, they will always justify their own peers I guess, even if its wrong
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Originally posted by sgdiehard:
Jesus was born of a Jewish family when he was on earth, Jesus died on the cross, he ate with the tax collectors, he did everything that a man did, ...so who says he was not a man?
but Jesus was a man, and he was Jewish, and he is a God, so God is Jewish....this is mathematically equation?
You are a man, and you are not so smart, and you are also a teacher in school, so teachers in schools are not so smart? hahahaha, simple equation?
I took the equation from what christians told me ah..
Christians told me
1. Jesus is 100% God no less.
2. Jesus is Jewish
3. Therefore, simply concluding, Jesus is the Jewish God.
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Originally posted by Tcmc:
I took the equation from what christians told me ah..
Christians told me
1. Jesus is 100% God no less.
2. Jesus is Jewish
3. Therefore, simply concluding, Jesus is the Jewish God.
you and I jolly well know that this christians explanation was simply simpleton, irrational and warped. read below how far humans has discovered so far and you will amaze. no longer do humans need to believe in god anymore, cos god exists in the figment of their imagination.
The 20th century saw a giant leap in how humans perceive the cosmos. No longer did people assume that the universe was static in size. By looking at how distant galaxies recede from us, we learned instead that the universe is expanding in volume. Tracing the expanding universe backward in time, we imagined a dense, hot beginning of our universe in a finite past. In the middle of the century, we found out that the nuclear reactions in this hot early universe accurately account for the previously mysterious abundance of helium and deuterium. Moreover, we detected a faint afterglow of the big bang that occurred billions of years ago. That the universe began with a big bang is essentially conclusive and may stand as the most profound discovery humans have ever made.
The big bang, however, is merely a global description of the origin of the universe. Today, particle physicists have consistent theories about the history of the universe down to only a trillionth of a second after its birth or even earlier. They can test their theories experimentally with particle accelerators that can simulate events involving enormous energies similar to the condition at the beginning. To learn more about how exactly the universe began, physicists must develop a theory that works at even earlier times after the big bang. Such theory must combine both the general relativity (because of the extreme gravitational field at the beginning) and quantum mechanics (because of the extreme compactness of the universe at the beginning). The goal of physics today is to develop this quantum theory of gravity so that we may one day understand what exactly happened around the moment of the big bang to get the universe started.
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Hawking: God 'not necessary'
Hold the front page: the big bang was an inevitable consequence of the laws of physics. Or indeed, as the front page of the London Times put it today: "Hawking: God did not create universe".
Media furore over Stephen Hawking's new book, The Grand Design, has made it the biggest science news story of the day. But it's not like Hawking has suddenly given up a religious belief – let alone proved that God doesn't exist.
Hawking's position on religion has remained unchanged since he wrote his bestseller, A Brief History of Time. At the end of that book he famously used God as a metaphor for the laws of nature: "If we discover a complete theory, it would be the ultimate triumph of reason – for then we should know the mind of God."
This quotation is billed in The Times today as his "previous view" on religion. It was certainly influential – the book sold 6 million copies – but Hawking has always looked at God metaphorically, in much the same way, incidentally, as Einstein. "I cannot believe that God plays dice with the cosmos" was Einstein's famous quip about his discomfort with quantum mechanics. He also declared, "I want to know how God created the world."
But Einstein was not really religious. He remarked that "the idea of a personal God is an anthropological concept which I cannot take seriously". When asked if he believed in God, Einstein explained: "I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings."
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Originally posted by Jacky Woo:
you and I jolly well know that this christians explanation was simply simpleton, irrational and warped. read below how far humans has discovered so far and you will amaze. no longer do humans need to believe in god anymore, cos god exists in the figment of their imagination.
The 20th century saw a giant leap in how humans perceive the cosmos. No longer did people assume that the universe was static in size. By looking at how distant galaxies recede from us, we learned instead that the universe is expanding in volume. Tracing the expanding universe backward in time, we imagined a dense, hot beginning of our universe in a finite past. In the middle of the century, we found out that the nuclear reactions in this hot early universe accurately account for the previously mysterious abundance of helium and deuterium. Moreover, we detected a faint afterglow of the big bang that occurred billions of years ago. That the universe began with a big bang is essentially conclusive and may stand as the most profound discovery humans have ever made.
The big bang, however, is merely a global description of the origin of the universe. Today, particle physicists have consistent theories about the history of the universe down to only a trillionth of a second after its birth or even earlier. They can test their theories experimentally with particle accelerators that can simulate events involving enormous energies similar to the condition at the beginning. To learn more about how exactly the universe began, physicists must develop a theory that works at even earlier times after the big bang. Such theory must combine both the general relativity (because of the extreme gravitational field at the beginning) and quantum mechanics (because of the extreme compactness of the universe at the beginning). The goal of physics today is to develop this quantum theory of gravity so that we may one day understand what exactly happened around the moment of the big bang to get the universe started.
Jacky
I have always maintained that there are good christians too.
I am ok with christians as long as they
1. Dont teach false information to our students/kids.
2. Dont sell their religion in my face and dont use religion to infringe on our secular/public space
3. Respect all other religions and dont say other religions are false
As long as they abide by my 3 points, I am ok with them.
And I have lots of christian friends who are nice!
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Originally posted by Jacky Woo:
Hawking: God 'not necessary'
Hold the front page: the big bang was an inevitable consequence of the laws of physics. Or indeed, as the front page of the London Times put it today: "Hawking: God did not create universe".
Media furore over Stephen Hawking's new book, The Grand Design, has made it the biggest science news story of the day. But it's not like Hawking has suddenly given up a religious belief – let alone proved that God doesn't exist.
Hawking's position on religion has remained unchanged since he wrote his bestseller, A Brief History of Time. At the end of that book he famously used God as a metaphor for the laws of nature: "If we discover a complete theory, it would be the ultimate triumph of reason – for then we should know the mind of God."
This quotation is billed in The Times today as his "previous view" on religion. It was certainly influential – the book sold 6 million copies – but Hawking has always looked at God metaphorically, in much the same way, incidentally, as Einstein. "I cannot believe that God plays dice with the cosmos" was Einstein's famous quip about his discomfort with quantum mechanics. He also declared, "I want to know how God created the world."
But Einstein was not really religious. He remarked that "the idea of a personal God is an anthropological concept which I cannot take seriously". When asked if he believed in God, Einstein explained: "I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings."
Fallacious appeal to authority. Is Hawkings an authority on God or theology? However brilliant he may be as a scientist, he is still a limited person and a specialist in his own fields only. Scientists who pontificate on the existence of God are asserting their beliefs about God, for science is INCAPABLE of proving anything that does not fall within the ambits of the scientific method. The danger for people like Hawkings is to insist that what their nets don't catch ain't fish.
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Originally posted by Tcmc:
Jacky
I have always maintained that there are good christians too.
I am ok with christians as long as they
1. Dont teach false information to our students/kids.
2. Dont sell their religion in my face and dont use religion to infringe on our secular/public space
3. Respect all other religions and dont say other religions are false
As long as they abide by my 3 points, I am ok with them.
And I have lots of christian friends who are nice!
They are just nice and you are OK with them. But as far as you are concerned they are really self-deluded religious nuts who believe that there is a God and that Christianity is true, ya?
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Originally posted by Tcmc:
Jacky
sgdiehard actually said that it was the buyers' fault to listen to the salesperson if the salesperson is lying.
Yea, they will always justify their own peers I guess, even if its wrong
I am saying that you have a choice, I didn't say that it is the buyer's fault. First, you decide to stop and listen, then you decide to buy, then it is all the seller's fault? It is if you are underaged, or in anyway handicapped and are unable to decide for yourself.
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Originally posted by Tcmc:
I took the equation from what christians told me ah..
Christians told me
1. Jesus is 100% God no less.
2. Jesus is Jewish
3. Therefore, simply concluding, Jesus is the Jewish God.
"what christians told me".... you never debated with them and tell them they were wrong?
para 3 simply conclusion is your conclusion, right?
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Originally posted by BroInChrist:
They are just nice and you are OK with them. But as far as you are concerned they are really self-deluded religious nuts who believe that there is a God and that Christianity is true, ya?
hahaha...nicely said, that says enough about some integrity.
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So u guys also agreed that all religions were man-made ? And that we depended upon the things we created...eg. cars, lifts, aircons...etc...same for religions ?
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Originally posted by Demon Bane:
So u guys also agreed that all religions were man-made ? And that we depended upon the things we created...eg. cars, lifts, aircons...etc...same for religions ?
Urrrmmm....I'm not to be included under the "u guys". I don't agree that all religions are man-made. At the very least I am saying that the Christian religion is "God-made" since Jesus is God in the flesh!
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Originally posted by Demon Bane:
So u guys also agreed that all religions were man-made ? And that we depended upon the things we created...eg. cars, lifts, aircons...etc...same for religions ?
these zealots are hopelessly deluded and narrow minded that anything and everything is created by god. their minds are located in the xtian paradigm, which are at odds with the psyhical reality. science has exposed the myth of god once and for all, that god does not exist and universe is not created by god. -
Originally posted by Jacky Woo:
these zealots are hopelessly deluded and narrow minded that anything and everything is created by god. their minds are located in the xtian paradigm, which are at odds with the psyhical reality. science has exposed the myth of god once and for all, that god does not exist and universe is not created by god.Dude, your physical reality includes something coming from nothing all by itself?
And you confused Stephen with Science, even though both starts with "S" and have seven letters!
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Are you smacked from the warped replies provided by these extremists? they are extreme in their world view, warped by their beliefs isnt it.
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Originally posted by Jacky Woo:
Are you smacked from the warped replies provided by these extremists? they are extreme in their world view, warped by their beliefs isnt it.
Atheists hold extremely warped beliefs. Which 3 year old believes the universe made itself from nothing?
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Originally posted by BroInChrist:
Urrrmmm....I'm not to be included under the "u guys". I don't agree that all religions are man-made. At the very least I am saying that the Christian religion is "God-made" since Jesus is God in the flesh!
Hahaha! U have a point there....but many other religions will argue that theirs' also "made by their own Gods"...
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Originally posted by Demon Bane:
Hahaha! U have a point there....but many other religions will argue that theirs' also "made by their own Gods"...
Of course. I'm just saying that I am not in agreement with "u guys" that all religions are man-made. Only the atheists are in agreement with each other on that.