Why Human CREATED Religions?
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Originally posted by laurence82:
brain dead if got brain lehu sure they had one in first place?
got brain lah..........Parn very smart one...........that naughty boy.......
but young people always prefer Western things ..........i don't blame them since i prefer Western Porn myself.............LOL
so if Jesus was a black guy from Africa or India...................people like Parn and the rest would rather worship a White Devil than a Black God liao....................
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Originally posted by Asromanista2001:
alamak...........forgot about paragraphing liao ah ?????
i dont get u, are u buddhist? u just posted abt science supporting buddhism and now u say all religion is bullsh*t im clueless O.O http://sgforums.com/forums/1381/topics/418285 -
Originally posted by Asromanista2001:
got brain lah..........Parn very smart one...........that naughty boy.......
but young people always prefer Western things ..........i don't blame them since i prefer Western Porn myself.............LOL
so if Jesus was a black guy from Africa or India...................people like Parn and the rest would rather worship a White Devil than a Black God liao....................
sounds like SPG to me
anything ang moh say is good, if any moment an African preaches the gospels they would zao
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Originally posted by DouglasBitMeFingerBoomz:
i dont get u, are u buddhist? u just posted abt science supporting buddhism and now u say all religion is bullsh*t im clueless O.O http://sgforums.com/forums/1381/topics/418285Buddhism not a religion mah...............in truth all religions are creations of the human mind...........
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Parn is probably the mother of all SPGs
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Originally posted by Demon Bane:
Is it wrong to depend on the things humans created? How about public transport eg. MRT....is it wrong to depend on MRT ? Majority of humans depended and trusted the things they created so much. If they dun trust MRT, they will trust buses or taxis, or their own vehicles....So what even if religions happened to be man-made, doesn't mean they're wrong....or does it?
So what even if religions happened to be man-made, doesn't mean they're wrong....or does it?
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Originally posted by DouglasBitMeFingerBoomz:
i dont get u, are u buddhist? u just posted abt science supporting buddhism and now u say all religion is bullsh*t im clueless O.O http://sgforums.com/forums/1381/topics/418285Buddhism is not a religion. It is truth and advanced Science. Science is just proving what Buddha said was correct. What Buddha said was ahead of modern Science. Buddha said there were other intelligence beings besides those on earth. Isn't scientists today are trying to prove there are aliens in other planets.
Before scientists prove that there were germs and bateria, Buddha had already known and told his disciples about them.
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Originally posted by Demon Bane:
So what even if religions happened to be man-made, doesn't mean they're wrong....or does it?
Geography, History and Mathematics are all man-made. Why people still follow its facts and rules? Nothing wrong right?
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Originally posted by BanguIzai:
No need to argue about this kind of things. Each religion will have their own story of God creation. Therefore every religion is "correct" in itself.
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Originally posted by Pinknutri:
Buddhism is not a religion. It is truth and advanced Science. Science is just proving what Buddha said was correct. What Buddha said was ahead of modern Science. Buddha said there were other intelligence beings besides those on earth. Isn't scientists today are trying to prove there are aliens in other planets.
Before scientists prove that there were germs and bateria, Buddha had already known and told his disciples about them.
There is no science in Buddhism just as there is no science in religion. That was just a fluke and taken from Hinduism. -
God was and never is a thing or a person. One will never encounter him/her/it/? anywhere. It is in the nameless, formless and a presence and can be only partaken of by (presupposing) one is utterly awake and sensitive to the presence within him/her self. If one is abent to one''s being how to be present to the presence of another?
Eg, to simplify, one sees ( and unconsciously carries) a map of a mountain in oneself and the map is about how to see, what to see, it is always about ....One can be standing right in front of the mountain - one would still miss it. Even when seen it is distorted, adulterated. Why? Cos the map(s) block n project its own meaning onto the mountain. It is the same with life with ''god' What is real is missed, what is true is missed. One simply is projecting which is merely psychologcal and the tendency is to stick to that projection(s) cos the fear is the beleif, the knowledge may be rant asunder by what is true.
PS - Maps are knowledge (dust that gathers on one's inner mirror), conditionings, programming, what society says about ...., what parents say about ... what priests say about .... To know (knowing) is intelligence, to know is one's experience of ... . It is the willingness to question, the willingness to be open to possiblities of one's folly, one's delusions, one's conditionings and so on so forth.
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you're wasting your time these ppl are more keen on having XX nos. worth of replies then to know anything, and mind you, they'll resort to just about anything, even to the extend of throwing religion into their war path, so just save the religion part and go direct to war..
hahhahahaha
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I cannot help but it feel so, never mind lah, bo pian, that is the misery the anguish ha ha when one feels inadequate and yet not know it. Perhaps, it may take a while or it may never happen!
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Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:
There is no science in Buddhism just as there is no science in religion. That was just a fluke and taken from Hinduism.Science is behind time of Buddhism. When Buddha said there were living things in a cup of water, people would think that was part of religion because they could not see with their naked eyes. It was much later that scientists proved that there are germs and bacteria in water.
Wait and see, may be in our lifetime, scientists will prove aliens and rebirth are true. In fact, reincarnation is already proven by scientists but you just do not accept it. May be it is because reincarnation has not much impact in our present life and it does not help much to improve our society, thus very few people pay attention to it.
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Many of you who replied to the thread starter probably quote what you have read in books about the religion mentioned in your replies. Yet how many of you have actually met someone in this lifetime who spoke to God, commune with Him just Like Jesus or other spiritual masters did in entire time? Yet if I said that I have met someone who have realised God in this lifetime, communed to Him and did some very spiritual things for the world, who would believe me?
The question of God is One single question that surfaced in many forums all over the internet world. People are so interested to know if there is a creator called God. My search since I was a teenager boy has confirmed that there is really a God. This Being or Creator is beyond any definitions. I have the rare privilege to meet someone who realised Him in this lifetime of mine. He is a family friend of Russian President Mikhail Govbachev, Carl Lewis, Boxer Muhammed Ali and musician Ravi Shankar and many more. He came to Singapore a few times, he physically lifted Teresa Hsu
He lifted 12 elephants in Changmai, lifted airplanes in USA, lifted 7,063 lbs of dumbbells overhead with 1 arm. Dominated for the Nobel Peace award by the government of Iceland, played more than 100 musical instruments. Founded the world longest certified footrace ultramarathon of 3,100 mile, drawn over 200,000 paintings, composed over 20,000 songs. Met Prime Minister Hun Sen, former President Aquino, and many others, unfortunately, did not meet any PAP members because they were too engaged with other matters. He died only 3 years ago.
YouTube - The wisdom and music of Sri Chinmoy
Many may think I am trying to promote him. But if I don't share all these that I know, you may never know there is such a person who lived during your lifetime.
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dont look at religion so narrowly that will only tell us where we go after death. In fact religion did contribute a lot of great things to out humanity.
It not only created philosophy for us to learn. it come out with moral value that guide our daily behavior and also help out on our social problem when there are disaster dont they?
and let not forget about the greats religion leaders and thier legends they created in history. have we ever wondered why we have the most beautiful architecture of the churches, cathedral, mosque and also the Shoalin temple on earth? dont u think that the design of the building is beautiful internally and externally. werent this because of religion?
how about the alchemist, martial arts and the traditional chinese medicine that the taoist created, dont you think they contribute too?
have we ever wondered what make the christian crusader went all the way from europe to jerusalem, how about the muslim that fought the holy war. dont you think that they are incredible?
so after knowing all this, dont you think that we need religion? do you think that where we go after death still matters any more?
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to encourage discisphline and let humans have a sense of belonging
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Originally posted by Urdhaytb:
Many of you who replied to the thread starter probably quote what you have read in books about the religion mentioned in your replies. Yet how many of you have actually met someone in this lifetime who spoke to God, commune with Him just Like Jesus or other spiritual masters did in entire time? Yet if I said that I have met someone who have realised God in this lifetime, communed to Him and did some very spiritual things for the world, who would believe me?
The question of God is One single question that surfaced in many forums all over the internet world. People are so interested to know if there is a creator called God. My search since I was a teenager boy has confirmed that there is really a God. This Being or Creator is beyond any definitions. I have the rare privilege to meet someone who realised Him in this lifetime of mine. He is a family friend of Russian President Mikhail Govbachev, Carl Lewis, Boxer Muhammed Ali and musician Ravi Shankar and many more. He came to Singapore a few times, he physically lifted Teresa Hsu
He lifted 12 elephants in Changmai, lifted airplanes in USA, lifted 7,063 lbs of dumbbells overhead with 1 arm. Dominated for the Nobel Peace award by the government of Iceland, played more than 100 musical instruments. Founded the world longest certified footrace ultramarathon of 3,100 mile, drawn over 200,000 paintings, composed over 20,000 songs. Met Prime Minister Hun Sen, former President Aquino, and many others, unfortunately, did not meet any PAP members because they were too engaged with other matters. He died only 3 years ago.
YouTube - The wisdom and music of Sri Chinmoy
Many may think I am trying to promote him. But if I don't share all these that I know, you may never know there is such a person who lived during your lifetime.
Many people do not doubt there is God. However, God is just one of the many Gods out there and that is why many religions claim that their Gods are real. I don't believe he is the creator nor he is as powerful as what people think he can be.
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Originally posted by Urdhaytb:
Many of you who replied to the thread starter probably quote what you have read in books about the religion mentioned in your replies. Yet how many of you have actually met someone in this lifetime who spoke to God, commune with Him just Like Jesus or other spiritual masters did in entire time? Yet if I said that I have met someone who have realised God in this lifetime, communed to Him and did some very spiritual things for the world, who would believe me?
The question of God is One single question that surfaced in many forums all over the internet world. People are so interested to know if there is a creator called God. My search since I was a teenager boy has confirmed that there is really a God. This Being or Creator is beyond any definitions. I have the rare privilege to meet someone who realised Him in this lifetime of mine. He is a family friend of Russian President Mikhail Govbachev, Carl Lewis, Boxer Muhammed Ali and musician Ravi Shankar and many more. He came to Singapore a few times, he physically lifted Teresa Hsu
He lifted 12 elephants in Changmai, lifted airplanes in USA, lifted 7,063 lbs of dumbbells overhead with 1 arm. Dominated for the Nobel Peace award by the government of Iceland, played more than 100 musical instruments. Founded the world longest certified footrace ultramarathon of 3,100 mile, drawn over 200,000 paintings, composed over 20,000 songs. Met Prime Minister Hun Sen, former President Aquino, and many others, unfortunately, did not meet any PAP members because they were too engaged with other matters. He died only 3 years ago.
YouTube - The wisdom and music of Sri Chinmoy
Many may think I am trying to promote him. But if I don't share all these that I know, you may never know there is such a person who lived during your lifetime.
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If one assumes that ''god'' is beyond definitions - in other words, the undefinable the nameless and formless, how is it possible that one single person alone can commune or even do spiritual things for the world?
The intellect once identified with knowledge,beliefs or ... cannot and it is close to impossible to assume that it is a spiritual expereince. It is dust accumulating in one's inner being, inner sky, inner mirror that inevitably is bound to distort and cloud one's experience of ....
Spirit (grace/god/heart/soul) is formless and nameless - it descends to one who is attuned to him''self''/her''self'' who can imbibe that which is. In one's being kind, being ....add one one is being spiritual! As long as the self (ego) is there it is an obstacle to realising ...
The intellect (acquired) once identified with knowledge,beliefs or ... cannot experience and it erroneous to assume that it is a spiritual expereince. It is dust accumulating in one's inner being, inner sky, inner mirror that inevitably is bound to distort and cloud one's experience of ....
One has be wary of such a stance cos behind the facade it is still a power-trip aka ego numbers!
PS - Self in quotes cos the unself-conscious one is open to ... the self-conscious one is selective and discrimination cos the latter adds to one's identity. The former does not add to one's self or identity
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Again assuming nameless and formless and that such single person alone cannot commune or do spiritual things for the world. You cannot assume one's is all powerful yet unable to do anything.
Why cant intellect that is identified with knowledge, beliefs and/or ... not with spiritual experience ? Even with extended intellectual capacity, it is still something beyond our comprehension to even fathom what one has just experienced, and the logical conclusion howeve if you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains however improbable must be the truth or so we think with our limited understanding of everything.
I feel your total dogmatic conviction of correctness is akin to religious fundamentalism which refuses to allow its ideas to be examined or challenged.
While you propose such fundamental dualism , perhaps the question is whether we are psychologically primed for religion?
To considers this important question, which clearly requires a psychological answer, and I do not think I am qualified or even experienced enough to give. Unless you are ?
While you propose this seperation within ones logic and the externalities to the illogical self-deception and egoism, it still does not discount the idea that the probability of a higher being exists and may or may not even be in this realm and perhaps in a platonic realm of existence.
Just a thought.
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That which is pyschological is not eternal (herenow, existential) and that which is psychological is time-bound ( past n future). The thread is entitled eternal hope. Hope is futurizing. Perhaps what was meant was everlasting (which is time-bound) Intellect is acquired thru learning from outside of oneself thru books, parents, schools or theology/ideology and it bound to react to what is. That which transcends psychology is spirit soul or god or whatever one feels resonates with oneself. It is a knowing, a surrender (not to a person or a theology or ..) to what is; an acceptance of what is. When one is being kind, being loving, being , a process, in being so one is already emobodying the qualities so very much espoused in religion or what-have-you. This person has transcended the duality of what is good, what is ugly or ... (the latter are divisive and a consequence of conditioning or ...)
Jesus was spiritual. How? His being kind, his being .... So it was with Buddha, Krisha and so many others, too numerous to mention here. Theirs was a spiritual experience shared with human beings. Of course, those around them were open and willing to surrender. The mistake or the erroneous assumption is that it was a surrender to a person or ... No it is in the disappearnce of one 'self" that the ''merger'' happened or happens. Buddha, Jesus embody the nameless, the formless!
My standing in a garage does not make me a car nor does my standing in a church or t emple make me spiritual, in the latter it may make me religious, spirituality all said and done is transcendence of all creeds, dogmas, theology, ideology and it is thru the unlearning of one 'self' that it may happen or at least an understanding , a knowing. It is the synthesis of poralities that one is free - eg love n hate (actually it is fear!) are not two but non-dual. Human mind divides and chooses and in choosing the split happens within. Hot and cold are not two but one. One can choose and deny or keep the other at bay. How long? It is mere suppression and it woud surface. It is the nature of existence! Religion is learning .... and spiritual is unlearning .... and hence the word spirit! Religion is collective and spirituality is individual. Truth is collective hence the talking about it and what is true is an individual experience and a partaking of what unfolds
When one assumes that something/someone higher is above us - it is negating oneself, it is disrespecting oneself. It is bondage, it is servitude. It has come about cos of the utter folly of man creating god in his own image (man'' image of ...).
Lest it is misconstrued - i dont believe or disbelieve and it matters that one is willing to question oneself and be open to possibilites. However and whatever it is unwise to blindly imbibe or follow ....
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Maybe ... just maybe, blindly following the Truth is actually a good and simple thing. =) Why complicate ourselves further. lol.
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Originally posted by BadzMaro:
Maybe ... just maybe, blindly following the Truth is actually a good and simple thing. =) Why complicate ourselves further. lol.
go ahead and follow blindly in your faith, period
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Originally posted by Rooney9:
go ahead and follow blindly in your faith, period
I may just do that thank you very much. Better than a bunch of confused people right ?
