Romans DON'T Crucify prisoners 2000 years ago !
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Jesus could not have died nailed to the cross as there is no evidence that the Romans crucified prisoners 2000 years ago.
The legend of his execution is based on the traditions of the Christian church and artistic illustrations rather than antique texts.
The ancient Greek, Latin and Hebrew literature from Homer to the first century AD describe an arsenal of suspension punishments but none mention "crosses" or "crucifixion."
If you are looking for texts that depict the act of nailing persons to a cross you will not find any beside the Gospels.
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this report was written by Gunnar Samuelsson, a committed Christian and historian-scholar.
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Originally posted by Asromanista2001:
this report was written by Gunnar Samuelsson, a committed Christian and historian-scholar.
The act of Crucifixion was recorded in the records of Flavius Josephus, a first century CE Jewish historian.
Other reference sources:
http://www.roman-colosseum.info/roman-life/roman-crucifixion.htm
http://en.allexperts.com/q/Ancient-Classical-History-2715/Roman-Law-Crucifixion.htm
http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Crucifixion
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Contrad/External/crucify.html
http://atheism.about.com/od/biblegospels/a/crucifixion.htm
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this jewish historian was in Jerusalem with his historian father at the time when Jesus was supposedly around, neither of them made a single mention of Jesus or Christians.
hundreds or over a thousand years later, Bishop Eusebius forged entries in Josephus's work - mentioning Jesus in a single paragraph.
considering that Jesus was also jewish and he was performing all sorts of miracles, surely Josephus would have written tons of material on him.
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Originally posted by Asromanista2001:
this jewish historian was in Jerusalem with his historian father at the time when Jesus was supposedly around, neither of them made a single mention of Jesus or Christians.
hundreds or over a thousand years later, Bishop Eusebius forged entries in Josephus's work - mentioning Jesus in a single paragraph.
considering that Jesus was also jewish and he was performing all sorts of miracles, surely Josephus would have written tons of material on him.
The topic is,Jesus could not have died nailed to the cross as there is no evidence that the Romans crucified prisoners 2000 years ago.
so, the point to ponder is this;
Is there any evidence that the Romans crucified prisoners 2000 years ago (outside Christian sources).
The examples and other sources I cited, shows that there are indeed records outside christian sources that record that the Romans did crucified their prisoners 2000 years ago.
so this argument (that Romans don't crucified their prisoners) used to show Jesus could not have died nailed to the cross could not be estiblished.
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Guilty unless proven innocent, or innocent unless proven guilty?
Impossible unless proven possible, or possible unless proven impossible?
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just be open-minded lor and don't believe everything blindly .
the most important thing is that the story of God and Jesus is too human-like to be divine !
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Originally posted by Asromanista2001:
just be open-minded lor and don't believe everything blindly .
the most important thing is that the story of God and Jesus is too human-like to be divine !
if you are truly open-minded, you would not have started this thread.
crucifixion has be recorded over the ages.....
it's also presumptious to state that just because we believe what we believer, we do not keep an open mind.....
how about, we have already kept an open mind once but now we believe what we believe to be true!
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Originally posted by Chin Eng:
if you are truly open-minded, you would not have started this thread.
likewise if you are truly open minded, you wouldnt have said this isnt it
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Originally posted by Rooney9:
likewise if you are truly open minded, you wouldnt have said this isnt it
what is open mindedness?if there are records of the events stated. and yet to pursue the opinion that it isn't?
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Originally posted by Chin Eng:
what is open mindedness?if there are records of the events stated. and yet to pursue the opinion that it isn't?
google
there are records unearthed that Jesus lived in India, would you accept this?
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Originally posted by Rooney9:
google
there are records unearthed that Jesus lived in India, would you accept this?
obviously there are credible sites and there are sites that are done by loonies... so you don't have the mental faculty or wisdom to know which are the credible ones, and that you believe everything you read? boy, talk about having an open mind.there are archaeological evidences as well as scientific studies....
... or are you one of those who subscribe to tabloid news for authenticity?
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those who open their minds too much will find only a gapping hole.....
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Originally posted by Chin Eng:
obviously there are credible sites and there are sites that are done by loonies... so you don't have the mental faculty or wisdom to know which are the credible ones, and that you believe everything you read? boy, talk about having an open mind.there are archaeological evidences as well as scientific studies....
... or are you one of those who subscribe to tabloid news for authenticity?
if you truly have an open mind, you wouldnt have so fast brush it away the moment you read it, period. talking about being open minded indeed. how about being closed minded on this perhaps
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Originally posted by Rooney9:
if you truly have an open mind, you wouldnt have so fast brush it away the moment you read it, period. talking about being open minded indeed. how about being closed minded on this perhaps
what makes you think that just because I replied the moment i read it means that i am brushing it away....you assume that i have not done my own research and studies before drawing my own conclusions...?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crucifixion please read all that in this page including the references at the bottom.
note: we are discussion on whether crucifixion is part of roman torture or not.... and not whether Christ is crucified or not.
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we are also not arguing on whether the crucifixion is a "T" structure or the tradition cross.
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those with a closed mind will shut-slam its door immediately
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Originally posted by Rooney9:
those with a closed mind will shut-slam its door immediately
it is always humorous to read that once a decision is made, one is deemed to have closed one's mind....so go read up the archaelogical evidence on crucifixion.
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Asromanista2001, it seems you are doing it again. It is very ironic how you and a few others keep throwing accusations of people being close-minded, yet you are at least as close minded yourself.
It is very easy to find other info about cruxification. I suggest you use the same google you used to find such articles to search on that as well.
If you are truly open-minded, you would be open to the possibility that there are other articles talking about cruxcification that is not bible-related instead of just basing on one article only.
I think this also highlights that you can't believe everything you read or everything you see on the internet.
In any case, do you believe in the article for itself? Or is it you have another agenda with putting that article here. Ask yourself this.
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it's amazing that now in the Space Age, and yet people still continue to believe in superstitious fairy tales of Creation when it's so obvious that's it's man-made fiction !
by the way, i'll believe it if Jesus went to India but it's not the ''real'' Jesus ..............it was someone else and most very human........
Western Christian historians also say there are so many similarities between stories in the bible and in Eastern religions, some of them almost word for word............and of course the Eastern religions were all far older by hundreds of years at least !
i remember one ancient story in India about a princess floating her baby in a basket down a river...........inspiration for Moses, no doubt !
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Originally posted by SomebodyInSG:
Asromanista2001, it seems you are doing it again. It is very ironic how you and a few others keep throwing accusations of people being close-minded, yet you are at least as close minded yourself.
It is very easy to find other info about cruxification. I suggest you use the same google you used to find such articles to search on that as well.
If you are truly open-minded, you would be open to the possibility that there are other articles talking about cruxcification that is not bible-related instead of just basing on one article only.
I think this also highlights that you can't believe everything you read or everything you see on the internet.
In any case, do you believe in the article for itself? Or is it you have another agenda with putting that article here. Ask yourself this.
I don;t quite like google (http://www.google.com), I find that the search engine usually turned up with a lot of irrelevant links. However, if die die my google, I will rather use Google Scholar (http://scholar.google.com.sg)
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Originally posted by vince69:
I don;t quite like google (http://www.google.com), I find that the search engine usually turned up with a lot of irrelevant links. However, if die die my google, I will rather use Google Scholar (http://scholar.google.com.sg)
I just say google because it is the prefferred search engine of many.
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Originally posted by Asromanista2001:
it's amazing that now in the Space Age, and yet people still continue to believe in superstitious fairy tales of Creation when it's so obvious that's it's man-made fiction !
by the way, i'll believe it if Jesus went to India but it's not the ''real'' Jesus ..............it was someone else and most very human........
Western Christian historians also say there are so many similarities between stories in the bible and in Eastern religions, some of them almost word for word............and of course the Eastern religions were all far older by hundreds of years at least !
i remember one ancient story in India about a princess floating her baby in a basket down a river...........inspiration for Moses, no doubt !
So you're are very sure that story from India is the inspiration for Moses? More sure that it is not the other way around?
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Originally posted by SomebodyInSG:
So you're are very sure that story from India is the inspiration for Moses? More sure that it is not the other way around?
Have you any idea how old is Hinduism existed for? frog in the well
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Originally posted by Rooney9:
Have you any idea how old is Hinduism existed for? frog in the well
he might be one of those that think xtianity exist before Buddhism, or Malay xtians dun exist