Praying man let his daughter die!
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This happens to all religion imo, not just a particular one. As long as there are ignorant people around, this kinda things will continue to exist.
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This proves that faith healing is false.You have to seek doctor consultation if you are ill.And must remenber to eat medicines.
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What folly! If Neuman had gone to the doctor, he would not have been putting te doctor before God. God would have used the doctor as an instrument of His power to treat and save his daughter!
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what about those people who died from cancer and other incurable diseases every year? God didnt use the doctor to heal the patient then, what a pity. so much for god's omnipotent.
I also pity the doctor credentials and experiences, studied so hard to be a doctor, with a stroke of a brush, the doctor efforts in treating the patient has been brushed off conveniently with an explanation of god. in that case, why bother researching and improving medicine because all being attributed to the work of god and not the profession and the untold hard work being put to research.
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Originally posted by TTFU:
I dont know whats going through people's minds, but my explanation can be one of the possible reasons. Obviously Like the article, the guy abuse it too much without even going to the hospital to seek help, then he shall pay the price.
But do not underestimate the power of supernatural on the human mind, fact is you might never know.
i understand this is one of the possible explanationwe also have to understand that relying on power of supernatural to cure the current problem, may not bring about the same effect the next time we use it again
what if the next time it doesn't bring any help? shall we discredit the power of supernatural again?
this is the reason why rooney is pointing out the both sides of a coin, the bad and good side in believing some g_d / supreme being (not necessarily any particular religion)
this may solve only a current problem. we have to think about other side effects on the long run
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Originally posted by the Bear:
nope.. God will help those who help themselves..
ever heard of the story of the guy who was in a flood?
he climbed to the top of his house when the floodwaters rose...
he prayed and people came.. he said no.. God will help me
the waters rose...
then a boat came.. he said no.. God will help me
the water rose some more..
a helicopter came.. he said no.. God will help me...
finally, the waters rose and he was swept away and was drowned...
he went to the pearly gates and asked God why He let him drown...
God said i sent the people, a boat and a helicopter.. you didn't lift a finger to help yourself, stupid
your story is good in motivating people. but if we think deeper, if you substitute "I / Myself" in the place of "G _ d" , you will end up with the same thingThe power lies in oneself, not anyone else.
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Originally posted by TTFU:
A US jury has found a man guilty of killing his sick 11-year-old daughter by praying for her recovery rather than seeking medical care.
The man, Dale Neumann, told a court in the state of Wisconsin he believed God could heal his daughter.
She died of a treatable disease - undiagnosed diabetes - at home in rural Wisconsin in March last year, as people surrounded her and prayed.
Neumann's wife, Leilani Neumann, was convicted earlier this year.
The couple, who were both convicted of second-degree reckless homicide, face up to 25 years in prison when they are sentenced in October.
A lawyer representing Dale Neumann said he would appeal.
Dale Neumann faces up to 25 years in prison
'Faith healing'
During the trial, medical experts told the court that Neumann's daughter could have survived if she had received treatment, including insulin and fluids, before she stopped breathing.
On Thursday Neumann, who is 47 and studied in the past to be a Pentecostal minister, said he thought God would heal his daughter.
"If I go to the doctor, I am putting the doctor before God," he said. "I am not believing what he said he would do."
He also said he thought his daughter had had flu or a fever, and that he had not realised how ill she was.
Neumann's lawyer said he had been convinced that his "faith healing" was working, and that he had committed no crime.
The prosecution argued that Neumann had minimised his daughter's illness and that he had allowed her to die as a selfish act of faith.
They said the girl should have been taken to hospital because she was unable to walk, talk, eat or drink.
Instead, an ambulance was only called once the girl had stopped breathing
That is the problem when people believe God can heal and put aside sensibility. If the sickness is of spiritual nature, I believe God can heal.I am pissed off by christian who point fingers at me and said I should not go see doctor when I am sick , instead I should pray and ask Jesus to heal me. No brain!
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Originally posted by Rooney9:
this guy is plain nuts and stupid. not only superstitious, but ignorant. as the saying goes, stupidity and lack of intelligence knows no bounds.
the brain and mind power is well documented. the so called miracle is not miracle after all, due to placebo effect. if you are happy with a positive attitude, chances of recovery is faster than one who is pessmistic and negative isnt it. all this no need religion to explain.
look man, there is nothing supernatural about the power of the human mind and brain, it is well documented. go google and find out more if you are serious.
I dont think you understood my post, maybe i explained it poorly. What i wanted to say mainly is, yes it is placebo effect when you are thinking a supernatural being is helping you. I dint say it really exist, but the focus is on the strength.
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Originally posted by BanguIzai:
i understand this is one of the possible explanationwe also have to understand that relying on power of supernatural to cure the current problem, may not bring about the same effect the next time we use it again
what if the next time it doesn't bring any help? shall we discredit the power of supernatural again?
this is the reason why rooney is pointing out the both sides of a coin, the bad and good side in believing some g_d / supreme being (not necessarily any particular religion)
this may solve only a current problem. we have to think about other side effects on the long run
Its not relying on supernatural. Its the placebo effect of a supernatural. You dont rely on it 100%, you do your best and hope for the best.
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well, Mr Neumann should be FUCKING God upside-down for giving his daughter diabetes in the 1st place !!!!
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Originally posted by TTFU:
A US jury has found a man guilty of killing his sick 11-year-old daughter by praying for her recovery rather than seeking medical care.
The man, Dale Neumann, told a court in the state of Wisconsin he believed God could heal his daughter.
She died of a treatable disease - undiagnosed diabetes - at home in rural Wisconsin in March last year, as people surrounded her and prayed.
Neumann's wife, Leilani Neumann, was convicted earlier this year.
The couple, who were both convicted of second-degree reckless homicide, face up to 25 years in prison when they are sentenced in October.
A lawyer representing Dale Neumann said he would appeal.
Dale Neumann faces up to 25 years in prison
'Faith healing'
During the trial, medical experts told the court that Neumann's daughter could have survived if she had received treatment, including insulin and fluids, before she stopped breathing.
On Thursday Neumann, who is 47 and studied in the past to be a Pentecostal minister, said he thought God would heal his daughter.
"If I go to the doctor, I am putting the doctor before God," he said. "I am not believing what he said he would do."
He also said he thought his daughter had had flu or a fever, and that he had not realised how ill she was.
Neumann's lawyer said he had been convinced that his "faith healing" was working, and that he had committed no crime.
The prosecution argued that Neumann had minimised his daughter's illness and that he had allowed her to die as a selfish act of faith.
They said the girl should have been taken to hospital because she was unable to walk, talk, eat or drink.
Instead, an ambulance was only called once the girl had stopped breathinganother one fall victim for this hoax so sad.
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Originally posted by TTFU:
Its not relying on supernatural. Its the placebo effect of a supernatural. You dont rely on it 100%, you do your best and hope for the best.
ya placebo effect of a supernatural. some people choose to believe in the existence of a supernatural rather than the absence of a supernatural
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There are many who believe that miracles are proof of god's existence. We hear wild claims that a healing has taken place but we never get an independent testimony from a medical office or a surgeon. We hear second-hand reports that someone was miraculously saved from disaster but we never get an eyewitness account of what is supposed to have happened. We hear rumors that prayer straightened a diseased body or strengthened a withered limb, but we never see X-rays or get comments from doctors or nurses. Wild claims, second-hand reports and rumors are no substitute for solid evidence and solid evidence of miracles is very rare. However, sometimes unexplained things do happen, unexpected events do occur. But our inability to explain such things does not prove the existence of gods. It only proves that our knowledge is as yet incomplete. Before the development of modern medicine, when people didn't know what caused sickness people believed that god or the gods sent diseases as a punishment. Now we know what causes such things and when we get sick, we take medicine. In time when our knowledge of the world is more complete, we will be able to understand what causes unexplained phenomena, just as we can now understand what causes disease.
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Originally posted by Rooney9:
There are many who believe that miracles are proof of god's existence. We hear wild claims that a healing has taken place but we never get an independent testimony from a medical office or a surgeon. We hear second-hand reports that someone was miraculously saved from disaster but we never get an eyewitness account of what is supposed to have happened. We hear rumors that prayer straightened a diseased body or strengthened a withered limb, but we never see X-rays or get comments from doctors or nurses. Wild claims, second-hand reports and rumors are no substitute for solid evidence and solid evidence of miracles is very rare. However, sometimes unexplained things do happen, unexpected events do occur. But our inability to explain such things does not prove the existence of gods. It only proves that our knowledge is as yet incomplete. Before the development of modern medicine, when people didn't know what caused sickness people believed that god or the gods sent diseases as a punishment. Now we know what causes such things and when we get sick, we take medicine. In time when our knowledge of the world is more complete, we will be able to understand what causes unexplained phenomena, just as we can now understand what causes disease.
very good reply
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Praying is one thing, taking to the hospital is another thing. This guy just sat there and prayed
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Originally posted by Rooney9:
There are many who believe that miracles are proof of god's existence. We hear wild claims that a healing has taken place but we never get an independent testimony from a medical office or a surgeon. We hear second-hand reports that someone was miraculously saved from disaster but we never get an eyewitness account of what is supposed to have happened. We hear rumors that prayer straightened a diseased body or strengthened a withered limb, but we never see X-rays or get comments from doctors or nurses. Wild claims, second-hand reports and rumors are no substitute for solid evidence and solid evidence of miracles is very rare. However, sometimes unexplained things do happen, unexpected events do occur. But our inability to explain such things does not prove the existence of gods. It only proves that our knowledge is as yet incomplete. Before the development of modern medicine, when people didn't know what caused sickness people believed that god or the gods sent diseases as a punishment. Now we know what causes such things and when we get sick, we take medicine. In time when our knowledge of the world is more complete, we will be able to understand what causes unexplained phenomena, just as we can now understand what causes disease.
Copy and paste whole answers to a question.
No research done! Cretin's work!
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Are you all talking about miracle healing like this one by Benny Hinn. Anybody who don't drop to the floor means you are not faithful and will not be healed ha ha ha ha................................
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if miracles are true, then why arent christians cured of cancer? yes they believe and prayed to god, but in the end, they died of cancer. yes they went to church and ask the pastor to bless them and use miracles to cure their cancer. maybe god just wants them to company him in heaven. its god's will.
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Originally posted by Rooney9:
if miracles are true, then why arent christians cured of cancer? yes they believe and prayed to god, but in the end, they died of cancer. yes they went to church and ask the pastor to bless them and use miracles to cure their cancer. maybe god just wants them to company him in heaven. its god's will.
For the same reason that you cannot get rid of your receding hairline!
Put a Sonny Bono wig on you!
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Originally posted by googoomuck:
For the same reason that you cannot get rid of your receding hairline!
Put a Sonny Bono wig on you!
why am i not surprised, why cant reply to questions posed, resorting to this. but then again, what do you expect from this mother f#cker
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GOD and DOG.......
Remember, what is a GOD to Arabs are a DOG and what is a 'GOD' in Arabs will be a DOG to the rest of the world.
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Originally posted by Samuel Lee:
GOD and DOG.......
Remember, what is a GOD to Arabs are a DOG and what is a 'GOD' in Arabs will be a DOG to the rest of the world.
yes you are right. many things are subjective in the first place. -
Originally posted by Rooney9:
why am i not surprised, why cant reply to questions posed, resorting to this. but then again, what do you expect from this mother f#ckerMotherfucker rooney9, why so agitated? Your receding hairline is a gift from your parents. If you are upset, l fuck your mother for you!
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Originally posted by googoomuck:
Motherfucker rooney9, why so agitated? Your receding hairline is a gift from your parents. If you are upset, l fuck your mother for you!
why am I not surprised by this son of the bitch comments
go go go suck cock lar
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I am appalled by the capability of the use of vulgarity from a christian here, Oh God, please have mercy on him, let him repent of using vulgarity.
