u say they do nothing till we complain...
the laughing part is that when we complain....they push back saying u do nothing but complain.....
Singapore is Taiji no.1 ....
their salaries so big and fat....get complaints is their job...what is there to complain la...aiyo
its now right to make obscenely large amt of money thru church funds, u satanic unbelievers
haha
thats why I said church is like a MLM all along. it has been like this for the past 2 millenniums. so the world's oldest MLM company is the churches. to the pastor, which is more important, money or beliefs? of course money lar. ask if they believe in god, some said yes because it was written in the bible, some will say, dunno, ask me this question when I die.
Aiyah, u all.... tis kinda of thing in States very common liao.
One pastor got sexpose, then another pops up. It never ending there.
Dunno abt SG although ppl say if CHC fell.... still got New Creation. Wonder both got any diff.
But down there used to hv chicks to give u a good fuck!
Originally posted by Fairyfairy86:i got to know more about mingyi lately from a friend . there are many things which were not reported. newspaper reported he rear a horse, actually he also looks after orphans personally (not in the orphange).
he can perform stunts, can you and will you ?
Local newspapers playing propaganda. Durai found guilty and was allowed to travel overseas and delay
Double standard
Originally posted by hasene:
Local newspapers playing propaganda. Durai found guilty and was allowed to travel overseas and delayDouble standard
ya lor.. till now i still think that mingyi is a nice guy overall... who got no sin sia...but got durai and chc.. i dun think so lor...
Originally posted by I-like-flings(m):
ya lor.. till now i still think that mingyi is a nice guy overall... who got no sin sia...but got durai and chc.. i dun think so lor...
Big small eyes. I believe durai has got strong connections with the men in white. So lenient to a criminal called durai and made him such an exceptional and none others have enjoyed this privilege.
Mingyi no
Originally posted by I-like-flings(m):
ya lor.. till now i still think that mingyi is a nice guy overall... who got no sin sia...but got durai and chc.. i dun think so lor...
Big small eyes. I believe durai has got strong connections with the men in white. So lenient to a criminal called durai and made him such an exceptional and none others have enjoyed this privilege.
Mingyi no connection
Originally posted by I-like-flings(m):
ya lor.. till now i still think that mingyi is a nice guy overall... who got no sin sia...but got durai and chc.. i dun think so lor...
Big small eyes. I believe durai has got strong connections with the men in white. So lenient to a criminal called durai and made him such an exceptional and none others have enjoyed this privilege.
Originally posted by I-like-flings(m):
ya lor.. till now i still think that mingyi is a nice guy overall... who got no sin sia...but got durai and chc.. i dun think so lor...
mingyi no sin must be a big joke
if he no sin
then prisoners also no sin
...
to fairyfairy
u said many things were not reported abt ming yi? so u are saying that if these were reported, his name would be less smelly? ah ha...ever tot tat many things abt chc and kong hee are also not reported?
I think we are jumping the gun here. It is true nobody has the right to question how the money was spent EXCEPT for the exact people who contributed to those funds. CAD all these stepped in because there must have been a serious complaint from someone or a collective group coming internally. Whether Kong Hee is guilty or not, lets wait and see. I am a christian but not from CHC, and my advice to my friends from CHC is, if he is indeed guilty, let see that Justics is done but if he is not, then let us move on and Justice will be done. For those who are not christians, I think while it is fine to criticise the persons involved and offer your opinions on those persons but lets keep it civil and we do not have to drag the whole religion thing in.
yes yes, lets be rational if it involves a christian, like rony tan
I believe CHC did a lot of good with their missionary work. Now my qn is.....how much of the millions they have, have gone to such work? Second qn is..what's the point of hoarding so much money and spending a bomb on building 3 state of the art churches in 10 years?
Originally posted by laurence82:yes yes, lets be rational if it involves a christian, like rony tan
For the years I have been here, I think or at least I hope that I have been rational as far as discussions on beliefs are concerned, christian or not
Anyone can come and see the church. The Channel new asia did came yesterday and again. I believe there are complications in solving the issues of possibility of misuse of funds and i believe it can go through the lawful procedures.
Rumors like "the PAP will be afraid the followers will vote against them and also influence other Christians to vote against PAP." are just senseless and false. I can't believe these people who wrote this still exist and diluting Singapore.
These are assumptions based on intuition and using ad hominem personal attacks on individuals substitute for a reasoned critique of individual's position instead of looking to the main issue.
Originally posted by Rooney9:when Rony Tan was blasting other faiths, I dun see the national council of churches to come out to condemn the actions of his actions. but when CHC was investigated by COC and CAD, they come out to say that we should not draw on conclusions before the investigation was completed.
2 separate public outcry, but 2 different ways of handling.
that because lighthouse is not under NCCS but CHC is,
Originally posted by SBS n SMRT:that because lighthouse is not under NCCS but CHC is,
http://www.nccs.org.sg/NCCS/Statement__In_Response_To_Comments_by_Pastor_Rony_Tan.html
this one not considered?
Originally posted by Ohneni:Anyone can come and see the church. The Channel new asia did came yesterday and again. I believe there are complications in solving the issues of possibility of misuse of funds and i believe it can go through the lawful procedures.
Rumors like "the PAP will be afraid the followers will vote against them and also influence other Christians to vote against PAP." are just senseless and false. I can't believe these people who wrote this still exist and diluting Singapore.
These are assumptions based on intuition and using ad hominem personal attacks on individuals substitute for a reasoned critique of individual's position instead of looking to the main issue.
I'am afraid that you only look at things on surface value. Rumors like "the PAP will be afraid the followers will vote against them. Religion mixing into politics is very real and possible. What makes you think the government isnt keeping an eye on the church ?
Let me just put a simple example. Lets say a church manages to attract a follower. This follower is related to a family. The family is related to many more (friends,out-laws, in laws, watever) You see it is getting more dangerous as the number of follower increases. I'am not surprised if really the governement had anything to do with this.
Originally posted by gasband:http://www.nccs.org.sg/NCCS/Statement__In_Response_To_Comments_by_Pastor_Rony_Tan.html
this one not considered?
i am just responding to ronney9 comment
Originally posted by Rock^Star:I believe CHC did a lot of good with their missionary work. Now my qn is.....how much of the millions they have, have gone to such work? Second qn is..what's the point of hoarding so much money and spending a bomb on building 3 state of the art churches in 10 years?
True. State of the art buildings. I remember one church has the money to even buy suntec city ? Thats really too obvious.........
Originally posted by SBS n SMRT:i am just responding to ronney9 comment
no worries i was also responding to him, just that i lazy to find out which page his comment was haha
lets be rational, people
this is either created by PAP dogs, by jealous competitor like NCC or satanic unbelievers
Rock^Star says "I believe CHC did a lot of good with their missionary work. Now my qn is.....how much of the millions they have, have gone to such work? Second qn is..what's the point of hoarding so much money and spending a bomb on building 3 state of the art churches in 10 years?"
To the 2nd question, the point is christianity, the fact that is about to engage our culture and be excellent in our fields, finding needs to be meet them and sharing the gospel of Christ. There maybe "so-called christians" who left and hated the fact that christians can be rich in money and health and all aspects of life and fear christians turned celebrities I don't understand their logics. But that's EXACTLY how the people lived in bible times put into context: how they invested into building buildings for people and to bring hope. There are times when they made huge mistakes but God continues to bring hope.
However greater responsibilities and accountability has to be taken place in our church to continue to serve and help more people. Finances is one of the significant aspects our church needs to be tighter on.
The investigations are still ongoing for a number of days already, hopefully things will be better thereafter allowing more space for positive encouragements.
Originally posted by TTFU:I'am afraid that you only look at things on surface value. Rumors like "the PAP will be afraid the followers will vote against them. Religion mixing into politics is very real and possible. What makes you think the government isnt keeping an eye on the church ?
Let me just put a simple example. Lets say a church manages to attract a follower. This follower is related to a family. The family is related to many more (friends,out-laws, in laws, watever) You see it is getting more dangerous as the number of follower increases. I'am not surprised if really the governement had anything to do with this.
Well.. we hope that's not the case here. The government is made up of different bodies and expertise. Doing such things against one's conscious is abusing the authority and abusing the morals and values of the bible.. And it would be serious..