City Harvest Church under investigation by CAD and CoC
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Originally posted by Tehtarlek:
As far as I know, Catholic Churches do not collect tithes and so do the other main streams Protestant Churches.....teaching of tithes has been twisted by mega churches and you can google and find many explanations on why such teachings is wrong and not supported by the Bible.
So, beside those mega churches goers, Christians do not need to tithe 10%....
Offering is on your freewill and you can give any amount you want or none. No problem.
And I agree with you that prosperity gospel is about greed. Christianity is about faith, hope and love and nothing is greater than love.
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Originally posted by vince69:
objectively speaking, during the days of the reformation, all these breakaway churches, which later became the Anglicans, Methodist..etc are also considered not preaching Jesus's teaching as the main stream churches (ie. the Catholic Church) understood it.
pushing back further, this same accusation was also spoken about the Apostles, Christianity was describe as a Nazarene sect (Acts 26:5-8), divant from the main stream teaching of those days.
so different from "main stream" still christians???
I must be insane... talking about this at this hour of the morning... should be in bed... good night...
That's the problem which really started with this so-called reformation movement. No more "governement" and each will interpret the scriputres as they like and claimed the other as inaccurate etc...and when don't like, break away and start a new church etc.. So I guess we will have to include mega churches as christians in your opinion.
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I read that CHC gave out loans to individuals and companies affiliated to CHC. wow the first one to come out of this affair, reminiscent of Ming Yi loaning money out to his PA.
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Originally posted by hasene:
Christian churches collect tithes and offering. Mega churches collect more than tithes and offering.Do not agree as I know as a fact that not all churches collect tithes. Maybe some chuches do.....but not ALL.
Churches that do not collect tithes only ask for offering and no one is forced to give and not giving does not affect one's association with the church.
Mega churches focus on the teaching of tithes and offerings and tithes is 10% although people are encourage to give more.....some will not consider you to be a "voting member" when it comes to church meetings if you do not tithe.
So hope that this will clarify to you that NOT ALL christian churches collect tithes and offering as you claimed.
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Originally posted by Tehtarlek:
Do not agree as I know as a fact that not all churches collect tithes. Maybe some chuches do.....but not ALL.
Churches that do not collect tithes only ask for offering and no one is forced to give and not giving does not affect one's association with the church.
Mega churches focus on the teaching of tithes and offerings and tithes is 10% although people are encourage to give more.....some will not consider you to be a "voting member" when it comes to church meetings if you do not tithe.
So hope that this will clarify to you that NOT ALL christian churches collect tithes and offering as you claimed.
Up to you, different people have been to different churches, let's be it if you claimed not all christian churches collect tithes and offering.
As far as those I know of are concerned their churches collect tithes and offering.
I know Catholic churches don't collect tithes, they do collect offering.
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tithes, donations or whatever you call it = the same thing lah !
just like those Vatican popes put money with moneylenders (practising USURY !!!) and then have the moneylenders give the profits to the popes.............the word they used was ''gift''........
every month so many people give so much money to church, what they do with it ? where the money go ?
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Originally posted by hasene:
Up to you, different people have been to different churches, let's be it if you claimed not all christian churches collect tithes and offering.
As far as those I know of are concerned their churches collect tithes and offering.
I know Catholic churches don't collect tithes, they do collect offering.
It's not a claim but a fact that not all christians churches collect tithes.
However, all churches do collect offerings which you can give any amount you wish or nothing.
And of course, there are churches that collect tithes and offerings like those mega churches.....but not all churches - that's the point I want to make.
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Originally posted by Tehtarlek:
As far as I know, Catholic Churches do not collect tithes and so do the other main streams Protestant Churches.....teaching of tithes has been twisted by mega churches and you can google and find many explanations on why such teachings is wrong and not supported by the Bible.
So, beside those mega churches goers, Christians do not need to tithe 10%....
Offering is on your freewill and you can give any amount you want or none. No problem.
correct.tithing not relevant now.
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Originally posted by mh2:
correct.tithing not relevant now.
Agreed which is why I am wondering why all these people still tithe. Especially those going to mega churches......where the teaching of tithes is twisted and misleading.
Which is also why I am telling hasene that not ALL churches collect tithes (as he claimed) as most (if not all) main stream churches do not.
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Originally posted by Tehtarlek:
It's not a claim but a fact that not all christians churches collect tithes.
However, all churches do collect offerings which you can give any amount you wish or nothing.
And of course, there are churches that collect tithes and offerings like those mega churches.....but not all churches - that's the point I want to make.
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Originally posted by Tehtarlek:
Agreed which is why I am wondering why all these people still tithe. Especially those going to mega churches......where the teaching of tithes is twisted and misleading.
Which is also why I am telling hasene that not ALL churches collect tithes (as he claimed) as most (if not all) main stream churches do not.
They base on the bible - malachi ."Bring one-tenth of your income into the storehouse so that there may be food in my house. Test me in this way," says the LORD of Armies. "See if I won't open the windows of heaven for you and flood you with blessings.
http://bible.cc/malachi/3-10.htm"Bring one-tenth of your income into the storehouse so that there may be food in my house. Test me in this way," says the LORD of Armies. "See if I won't open the windows of heaven for you and flood you with blessings.
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Jun 19, 2010
City Harvest founder says he is doing well
Pastor at centre of funds probe breaks silence via blog to thank supporters
By Yen Feng
Mr Kong paid tribute to 'a glorious 20 years of church building' in the 11-paragraph statement entitled Reflections. -- PHOTO: CITY HARVEST CHURCH
AFTER weeks of silence and dodging the media, City Harvest Church founder Kong Hee yesterday gave his first public comments via his blog about the ongoing probe involving his church.
In a post entitled Reflections, Mr Kong said he and the church's management board were helping the police with investigations, and that he and his family were 'doing well'.
He also thanked church members for their support.
The 11-paragraph statement did not add details to the case, which got off to a dramatic start last month when Commercial Affairs Department officers raided the church's offices at Suntec City.
'Because we're in the midst of the investigation, I am unable to provide any details about the progress besides what already has been released by the Singapore Police in their statement to the press,' Mr Kong wrote in his message.
He could not be reached yesterday for comment.
A church spokesman said that Mr Kong and his wife were being represented by law firm Allen & Gledhill.
Questions remain.
Weeks after the raid, it is still not known exactly how many organisations and individuals are being investigated, or who they are.
What has been made public is that the investigations have to do with misuse of church funds and financial transactions involving 'several individuals and companies, related or connected' to the church.
The police on Wednesday said the number of persons assisting them with the inquiry had increased from an initial 17 to more than 20 now.
Known persons so far comprise Mr Kong, 46; his wife Ho Yeow Sun, 38, better known as Sun Ho; and the church's 10-member management council.
No one has been arrested.
Mr Kong, who is also the church's senior pastor, yesterday described the investigation as a turning point for the church, which, since its founding in 1989, has grown to become Singapore's largest independent Christian church, with a congregation of more than 33,000 followers.
Recalling that the police raid took place only a day after the church had concluded an international conference featuring more than 25,000 participants, Mr Kong said on the blog: 'What a difference a day makes... The page had turned.
'The celebration had abruptly ended.'
Since the raid, Mr Kong has stayed largely out of sight.
He made a brief appearance last week during services at Singapore Expo but did not address the congregation.
By yesterday evening, Mr Kong's post had attracted more than 90 responses.
A handful of readers said he was insincere; the majority, however, expressed gratitude for the positive influence the church has had on their lives.
In the last paragraph of his message, Mr Kong said: 'It has been a glorious 20 years of church building filled with tears and triumph, brokenness as well as breakthroughs.
'I believe that the City Harvest story will continue to unfold.'
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let all the shit all come out !
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Originally posted by Asromanista2001:
let all the shit all come out !
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Originally posted by Rooney9:
I read that CHC gave out loans to individuals and companies affiliated to CHC. wow the first one to come out of this affair, reminiscent of Ming Yi loaning money out to his PA.
so CHC give loans to people and companies affiliated to CHC ???
let me guess, those loans are to relatives or people close to Slut Ho and Dong Kee ? plus no need repay the loans ?
and the companies are owned by their kakis also ? again, no need to repay the loans.
and then all these people and companies use their money on Slut Ho and Dong Kee ?
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Wonder how long this court case lasts. But I also not surprised if the verdict is that kong hee and church not guilty. haahahhaha heee heeeeeee heeee
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They ha
The Electric New Paper : 'We look to Sun when we feel down' Taiwanese band F.I.R. turns up at City Harvest church service to support embattled pastor and wife Taiwanese pop-rock band F.I.R. and local movie director Jack Neo made special appearances at City Harvest Church's service on Sunday. By Maureen Koh 21 June 2010 Taiwanese pop-rock band F.I.R. and local movie director Jack Neo made special appearances.
And so did singer Ho Yeow Sun in what is believed to be her first appearance at City Harvest Church's service since returning to Singapore on Monday.
She was accompanied by her husband, Reverend Kong Hee, the founder of the church.
The couple, along with several others, are assisting the police with their investigation into the finances of the church.
The mood at the City Harvest Church's morning service yesterday was rousing.
Indeed, some members of the 10,000-strong congregation at the Singapore Expo Hall 1 were unaware of Ms Ho's presence until the F.I.R. trio approached her and Rev Kong.
Shortly after the two-hour service began, F.I.R. went onstage to share their experience.
Each described how members of the church, including Rev Kong and Ms Ho, have touched their lives and encouraged them even when the going seemed tough.
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They have gotten many artistes to attend CHC with the influence of ho sun yeow yao yao j. This is excellent to attract younger crowd and understandable why this CHC has so many teenagers and young people.
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Originally posted by hasene:
They ha
The Electric New Paper : 'We look to Sun when we feel down' Taiwanese band F.I.R. turns up at City Harvest church service to support embattled pastor and wife Taiwanese pop-rock band F.I.R. and local movie director Jack Neo made special appearances at City Harvest Church's service on Sunday. By Maureen Koh 21 June 2010
Taiwanese pop-rock band F.I.R. and local movie director Jack Neo made special appearances.
And so did singer Ho Yeow Sun in what is believed to be her first appearance at City Harvest Church's service since returning to Singapore on Monday.
She was accompanied by her husband, Reverend Kong Hee, the founder of the church.
The couple, along with several others, are assisting the police with their investigation into the finances of the church.
The mood at the City Harvest Church's morning service yesterday was rousing.
Indeed, some members of the 10,000-strong congregation at the Singapore Expo Hall 1 were unaware of Ms Ho's presence until the F.I.R. trio approached her and Rev Kong.
Shortly after the two-hour service began, F.I.R. went onstage to share their experience.
Each described how members of the church, including Rev Kong and Ms Ho, have touched their lives and encouraged them even when the going seemed tough.
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They have gotten many artistes to attend CHC with the influence of ho sun yeow yao yao j. This is excellent to attract younger crowd and understandable why this CHC has so many teenagers and young people.
Where are all the CHC supporters? I am really intrigued by what they will have to say
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So what's the latest news?
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latest news is that FIR just held concert at CHC
i am sure their CD sales will skyrocket after this
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Originally posted by hasene:
They base on the bible - malachi ."Bring one-tenth of your income into the storehouse so that there may be food in my house. Test me in this way," says the LORD of Armies. "See if I won't open the windows of heaven for you and flood you with blessings.
http://bible.cc/malachi/3-10.htm"Bring one-tenth of your income into the storehouse so that there may be food in my house. Test me in this way," says the LORD of Armies. "See if I won't open the windows of heaven for you and flood you with blessings.
If you are interested, you can read this http://bible-truths-revealed.info/adv15.html which is pretty long but explain quite clearly why tithing is no longer relevant.
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Originally posted by Tehtarlek:
If you are interested, you can read this http://bible-truths-revealed.info/adv15.html which is pretty long but explain quite clearly why tithing is no longer relevant.
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Originally posted by laurence82:
latest news is that FIR just held concert at CHC
i am sure their CD sales will skyrocket after this
FIR smart to make this move. Their concert in Singapore is next month, this move may help them with sales of their concert tickets. -
Originally posted by Tehtarlek:
If you are interested, you can read this http://bible-truths-revealed.info/adv15.html which is pretty long but explain quite clearly why tithing is no longer relevant.
but then the whole damn religion was NEVER relevant in the 1st place mah !
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Originally posted by Asromanista2001:
but then the whole damn religion was NEVER relevant in the 1st place mah !
her her