My take on this forum
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Originally posted by hasene:
Buddhist can't criticise other ppl's religions so only christians can criticise others' religions ah --- like others worshipping satanic god idol. Swee!
My church warned against saying ppl pray to satanic idols.My church advices telling them the gospel see they want accept or not not to scold their religions.
They dowan accept also cannot scold them.
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Originally posted by TTFU:
To continue on science. We infer science is great and true because we are surrounded by it, we infer that our brains exist by dissecting other skulls, as well as all our other body parts.
That is because all possible knowledge depends on the validity of reasoning. But if scientific words like must be, therefore, and since; then this certainty is merely a feeling based upon the authority of other minds. Of course, if that is true then the theory explaining everything (no longer called string theory, but m-theory) would be in contradiction because the theory itself would have been reached through thinking. If you believe that it is possible then, in a way there is no such thing as free will, only the ultimatum of a world simply chasing after its own freedom when in fact there is none.The idea of authority is merely a submission of sorts, and in terms of both religion and science we do give authority. The difference is giving authority to some grand vague object that may or may not be there, against the authority of other humans.
the inference is invalid. even if dissected human skulls have brains, it doesnt necessarily mean that all humans have brains. maybe the brain was something that grew after the person died? no grounds for generalization.
knowledge is acquired through the reasoning process. when we infer something, we're presupposing logic.
science and religion both subscribe to dogma then?
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u all divert liao
this topic is abt christian bashing non christians leh
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Looks more like a christian bashing forum to me.
Even the replies by non-believers admit its a christian bashing forum. The oblique view is quite obviously clear.
Seriously Laurence82 ,Rooney9 and some other nicknames, you guys can create an anti-christ forum or anti-religion forum out there and rally your people there and lamblast all you want. But maybe you guys worry no one will entertain you guys there thats why you come here ? I think I will bet my left nut on it.
Saying Christianity is unbelievable and wrong is one thing, saying ALL christians are like Rony Tan is another.
It wouldve been cool to keep the discussion in a non-general view for some constructive comments and opinion not only helping fellow christians like how it is intended in the beginning and non-believers alike. But no, its ironic that those that blame others for being intolerant are the ones that are being the intolerent ones. The hypocrisy ?
The previous mods have been weak. And its understandable due to their nature. And its always people like these who gets taken down. They meant well, generally of good heart, unfortunately that comes also with the price of sensitivity and the likes that derive from their nature. I admit that EH is not easy to be moderated by such people, but its not easy to find someone who can answer whole questions accordingly to the bible and still maintaining an iron fist while unmoved by the masses.
For the people that know them in real life through SgForums, I wonder what are your views on having friends like these. =) Do they manifest themselves online in real life ? Or are they totally different online and offline ? Which is more worrying ?
I have staunch aetheist friends but we ALWAYS come down to an understanding. In fact, we find the topics and discussion entertaining even during drinking. But never has it escalated to generalisation, to generalize is to be an idiot. To particularize is the alone distinction of merit. General knowledge are those knowledge that idiots possess.
by sillyme
"Dear friends,
It is with great sadness that I am writing this. I have proposed to Chin Eng and ben1xy on closing this forum. We have agreed that we will no longer keep this forum active.
I am no longer able to actively read posts in this forum and be an effective moderator because of family and work priorities. As I consider about lessening my activities here, it will not be fair to let the other moderators bear too much of the load. Hence, we will close this forum.
The secondary reason in closing this forum is because of the recent activities in EH has made it unpleasant to me to visit this forum. I love God and would love to share my joy with whoever is interested to know more. But I feel it is no longer sensible to share when our views are repeated put down just because someone is not agreeable to our faith.
Instead of appearing to be a thorn in the flesh, it is best that we remove our presence here.
Eternal Hope was started as a gathering place for fellow Christians in sgForums. I have made many good friends through this forum and my stay here was mostly enjoyable.
To the "old gang", Choco B, the Bear, skinnybeanie, Inzaghi, M, s|nned, tare, NT2 etc., my beginnings in here was made wonderful by all of you.
To Chin Eng, ben1xy, Icemoon, laurence82, vince69, laoda99, thank you. Thank you for the knowedge I have learnt from you. Thank you for the friendship I have with you. (though I did not have the opportunity to meet some of you)
From this day, Eternal Hope will no longer moderated. All old and new posts will be deleted.I will still be in sgForums."
What happened between 2007 to 2010 ? To really understand the trolls. One has to dig deep . Even if those that were not trolls then have obviously become one today.
"Welcome to Eternal Hope!
This forum is a place for Christians to have fellowship within sgForums. It is a place to chat and encourage each other.
We welcome questions regarding our faith. We will try our best to share our point of view. Please post within the following guidelines.
1) State the purpose of your thread clearly. Short, blanket statements without any clarification is not helpful to the discussion.
2) Threadstarter must, as far as possible, be active in discussion.
3) Offensive content to Christianity and other religions are not welcomed.
4) Show respect to our faith and others in this forum. Show respect to the people who come to this forum too. The consensus towards each other's belief is respect.
5) Do not use vulgar and offensive language. Posts of such nature will be edited.
In the interest of preventing any threads from becoming a flaming thread, queries that has already been answered will be closed. The moderators will close topics that they deemed offensive.
We hope this forum can be a blessing to you."&
"This forum is not for religious debate or contention. Please refrain from any such postings. by Jason"
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Originally posted by laurence82:
u all divert liao
this topic is abt christian bashing non christians leh
this forum more of a christian bashing forum to me. -
Originally posted by BadzMaro:
Looks more like a christian bashing forum to me.
Even the replies by non-believers admit its a christian bashing forum. The oblique view is quite obviously clear.
Seriously Laurence82 ,Rooney9 and some other nicknames, you guys can create an anti-christ forum or anti-religion forum out there and rally your people there and lamblast all you want. But maybe you guys worry no one will entertain you guys there thats why you come here ? I think I will bet my left nut on it.
Saying Christianity is unbelievable and wrong is one thing, saying ALL christians are like Rony Tan is another.
It wouldve been cool to keep the discussion in a non-general view for some constructive comments and opinion not only helping fellow christians like how it is intended in the beginning and non-believers alike. But no, its ironic that those that blame others for being intolerant are the ones that are being the intolerent ones. The hypocrisy ?
The previous mods have been weak. And its understandable due to their nature. And its always people like these who gets taken down. They meant well, generally of good heart, unfortunately that comes also with the price of sensitivity and the likes that derive from their nature. I admit that EH is not easy to be moderated by such people, but its not easy to find someone who can answer whole questions accordingly to the bible and still maintaining an iron fist while unmoved by the masses.
For the people that know them in real life through SgForums, I wonder what are your views on having friends like these. =) Do they manifest themselves online in real life ? Or are they totally different online and offline ? Which is more worrying ?
I have staunch aetheist friends but we ALWAYS come down to an understanding. In fact, we find the topics and discussion entertaining even during drinking. But never has it escalated to generalisation, to generalize is to be an idiot. To particularize is the alone distinction of merit. General knowledge are those knowledge that idiots possess.
by sillyme
"Dear friends,
It is with great sadness that I am writing this. I have proposed to Chin Eng and ben1xy on closing this forum. We have agreed that we will no longer keep this forum active.
I am no longer able to actively read posts in this forum and be an effective moderator because of family and work priorities. As I consider about lessening my activities here, it will not be fair to let the other moderators bear too much of the load. Hence, we will close this forum.
The secondary reason in closing this forum is because of the recent activities in EH has made it unpleasant to me to visit this forum. I love God and would love to share my joy with whoever is interested to know more. But I feel it is no longer sensible to share when our views are repeated put down just because someone is not agreeable to our faith.
Instead of appearing to be a thorn in the flesh, it is best that we remove our presence here.
Eternal Hope was started as a gathering place for fellow Christians in sgForums. I have made many good friends through this forum and my stay here was mostly enjoyable.
To the "old gang", Choco B, the Bear, skinnybeanie, Inzaghi, M, s|nned, tare, NT2 etc., my beginnings in here was made wonderful by all of you.
To Chin Eng, ben1xy, Icemoon, laurence82, vince69, laoda99, thank you. Thank you for the knowedge I have learnt from you. Thank you for the friendship I have with you. (though I did not have the opportunity to meet some of you)
From this day, Eternal Hope will no longer moderated. All old and new posts will be deleted.I will still be in sgForums."
What happened between 2007 to 2010 ? To really understand the trolls. One has to dig deep . Even if those that were not trolls then have obviously become one today.
"Welcome to Eternal Hope!
This forum is a place for Christians to have fellowship within sgForums. It is a place to chat and encourage each other.
We welcome questions regarding our faith. We will try our best to share our point of view. Please post within the following guidelines.
1) State the purpose of your thread clearly. Short, blanket statements without any clarification is not helpful to the discussion.
2) Threadstarter must, as far as possible, be active in discussion.
3) Offensive content to Christianity and other religions are not welcomed.
4) Show respect to our faith and others in this forum. Show respect to the people who come to this forum too. The consensus towards each other's belief is respect.
5) Do not use vulgar and offensive language. Posts of such nature will be edited.
In the interest of preventing any threads from becoming a flaming thread, queries that has already been answered will be closed. The moderators will close topics that they deemed offensive.
We hope this forum can be a blessing to you."&
"This forum is not for religious debate or contention. Please refrain from any such postings. by Jason"
I agree on the points that you have written. I dont think eternal hope needs to be closed down. Having at least two mods will be enough. To censor off the more obvious trolls in here. Rooney9 also provided some good arguments about science and views of a aetheist. No doubt some are quite offensive. The rest i have no comments
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Originally posted by -StarDust-:
this forum more of a christian bashing forum to me.
YOu copy and paste from Badzmaro. -
sigh...i agree wif u badzmaro...missed those good old days...
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Originally posted by TTFU:
I agree on the points that you have written. I dont think eternal hope needs to be closed down. Having at least two mods will be enough. To censor off the more obvious trolls in here. Rooney9 also provided some good arguments about science and views of a aetheist. No doubt some are quite offensive. The rest i have no comments
haha lol -
Originally posted by despondent:
sigh...i agree wif u badzmaro...missed those good old days...
Yah agreed. -
Originally posted by BadzMaro:
Looks more like a christian bashing forum to me.
Even the replies by non-believers admit its a christian bashing forum. The oblique view is quite obviously clear.
Seriously Laurence82 ,Rooney9 and some other nicknames, you guys can create an anti-christ forum or anti-religion forum out there and rally your people there and lamblast all you want. But maybe you guys worry no one will entertain you guys there thats why you come here ? I think I will bet my left nut on it.
Saying Christianity is unbelievable and wrong is one thing, saying ALL christians are like Rony Tan is another.
It wouldve been cool to keep the discussion in a non-general view for some constructive comments and opinion not only helping fellow christians like how it is intended in the beginning and non-believers alike. But no, its ironic that those that blame others for being intolerant are the ones that are being the intolerent ones. The hypocrisy ?
The previous mods have been weak. And its understandable due to their nature. And its always people like these who gets taken down. They meant well, generally of good heart, unfortunately that comes also with the price of sensitivity and the likes that derive from their nature. I admit that EH is not easy to be moderated by such people, but its not easy to find someone who can answer whole questions accordingly to the bible and still maintaining an iron fist while unmoved by the masses.
For the people that know them in real life through SgForums, I wonder what are your views on having friends like these. =) Do they manifest themselves online in real life ? Or are they totally different online and offline ? Which is more worrying ?
I have staunch aetheist friends but we ALWAYS come down to an understanding. In fact, we find the topics and discussion entertaining even during drinking. But never has it escalated to generalisation, to generalize is to be an idiot. To particularize is the alone distinction of merit. General knowledge are those knowledge that idiots possess.
by sillyme
"Dear friends,
It is with great sadness that I am writing this. I have proposed to Chin Eng and ben1xy on closing this forum. We have agreed that we will no longer keep this forum active.
I am no longer able to actively read posts in this forum and be an effective moderator because of family and work priorities. As I consider about lessening my activities here, it will not be fair to let the other moderators bear too much of the load. Hence, we will close this forum.
The secondary reason in closing this forum is because of the recent activities in EH has made it unpleasant to me to visit this forum. I love God and would love to share my joy with whoever is interested to know more. But I feel it is no longer sensible to share when our views are repeated put down just because someone is not agreeable to our faith.
Instead of appearing to be a thorn in the flesh, it is best that we remove our presence here.
Eternal Hope was started as a gathering place for fellow Christians in sgForums. I have made many good friends through this forum and my stay here was mostly enjoyable.
To the "old gang", Choco B, the Bear, skinnybeanie, Inzaghi, M, s|nned, tare, NT2 etc., my beginnings in here was made wonderful by all of you.
To Chin Eng, ben1xy, Icemoon, laurence82, vince69, laoda99, thank you. Thank you for the knowedge I have learnt from you. Thank you for the friendship I have with you. (though I did not have the opportunity to meet some of you)
From this day, Eternal Hope will no longer moderated. All old and new posts will be deleted.I will still be in sgForums."
What happened between 2007 to 2010 ? To really understand the trolls. One has to dig deep . Even if those that were not trolls then have obviously become one today.
"Welcome to Eternal Hope!
This forum is a place for Christians to have fellowship within sgForums. It is a place to chat and encourage each other.
We welcome questions regarding our faith. We will try our best to share our point of view. Please post within the following guidelines.
1) State the purpose of your thread clearly. Short, blanket statements without any clarification is not helpful to the discussion.
2) Threadstarter must, as far as possible, be active in discussion.
3) Offensive content to Christianity and other religions are not welcomed.
4) Show respect to our faith and others in this forum. Show respect to the people who come to this forum too. The consensus towards each other's belief is respect.
5) Do not use vulgar and offensive language. Posts of such nature will be edited.
In the interest of preventing any threads from becoming a flaming thread, queries that has already been answered will be closed. The moderators will close topics that they deemed offensive.
We hope this forum can be a blessing to you."&
"This forum is not for religious debate or contention. Please refrain from any such postings. by Jason"
thanks....i will ignore trolls from now
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Originally posted by SBS n SMRT:
thanks....i will ignore trolls from now
haha lol -
Originally posted by TTFU:
I agree on the points that you have written. I dont think eternal hope needs to be closed down. Having at least two mods will be enough. To censor off the more obvious trolls in here. Rooney9 also provided some good arguments about science and views of a aetheist. No doubt some are quite offensive. The rest i have no comments
trolls like agogoboy or somebodyinsg should really be censored off
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i think non christians, satans or any other easily obtainable scapegoat should not be falsely accused or be bashed by christians, pastor or not
its time to stop this nonsense
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I wish to emphasize that there is a difference between non-Christians and anti-Christians.
To say the some of the anti-Christians who have been here as the same as non-Christians at large would be an insult to non-Christians.
Nobody is using non-Christians as scapegoats, the fact remains that there have been people who have posted here purely for the sake of conflict and conflict only. Some who even encourage for threads and topics to become name-calling and mud-slinging, no matter who it is that does the name-calling. This thing about people posting purely for conflict does not apply to non-Christians only. Christians themselves have either made posts or responded in anger as well.
It is clear this forum has become a Christian bashing thread, something even non-Christians have commented in this sub-forum itself. Even non-Christians outside of EH understand and know it is happening. Be it right or wrong, deserved or unjustified, this is what it has become.
It should also be noted that very often, there are people here who ask questions not with the idea of wanting to understand the other person's point of view, but merely looking for a chance to break them down. It is very sad how sometimes people give replies or give views in good spirit and good faith but the other party does not respond as such. Again I stress this is not to Christians or non-Christians only, the forumer known as An Eternal Now has come in to make posts to good faith but was not replied as such.
It is not non-Christians at large or even any particular members of any religion who are at fault so to speak. But rather it is the posts and actions of certain individuals here who are more about the conflict than about generally discussing or sharing views, whether or not each person agrees with that view.
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spammer
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I would like to say again that not all non-Christians have been like the anti-Christians here. To say non-Christians are like these people is an insult to all non-Christians everywhere.
Not every muslim is a member of Al Qaede, and not every Buddhist is a vegetarian or abstains from beef.
In fact, EH has even now good-spirited non-Christians who are willing to engage in proper discussion.
There are others in EH be it Christians or otherwise who respect the right of others to believe in other religions or not to believe altogether. Even more so in the rest of sgforums and even more in the wider world.
It is something I know some are very aware, but maybe they forget or they choose to forget.
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Consider your posts, are you knowingly trying to add to the conflict? To stir up more trouble? You say you are against trolling or against this and that, yet do you do more of that than others?
Are you trying to respond to those you think are guilty of it by being an even bigger one yourself?
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spamming is trolling anyway
so continue to prove my point....liar
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To make another comment about science, don't assume that just because people have religion they reject science totally.
Afterall, science in principle is good. That is something not just Christians would say.
However, even within science itself on matter various aspects and issues within science itself, scientists themselves have differing viewpoints with one another, let alone with people outside of science.
However, the thing about science is that it is not absolute. Theories and assumptions change, which I feel is nothing bad in itself. It means people at large continue to learn and to explore.
Maybe the point here is that science in itself is not absolute.
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good boy
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Originally posted by Chin Eng:
this forum failed because
1. the refusal to accept that this is a Christian-themed forum.... the incessant declaration that it is public forum fails to hide the fact that there is a theme, and if you don't like the theme, get lost. Of course anyone can post if they want to ask a question, but many TS are just looking for a fight.
2. the inability for non-Christian and atheists to stay away.... nobody is pointing a gun at you to ask you to read things that you don't agree about.... KPKB for what? It will be equally wrong for Christians to do the same thing to the Buddhist forum.
3. the refusal to accept that the previous mods had the rights to remove and lock threads that are deemed inappropriate.... if mods go no rights, mod for what?
I fail to understand the mentality of people who, for no rhymes or reason, continue to support the popularity of a forum that they do not agree on.... each time a post comes in, it boost the rating of Eternal Hope.
These people are either too damn free, or as delusional as the Christians that they are trying to discredit by boosting the rating of EH.... either way... thank you... because of you, EH cannot die.
1) I pretty much agree with you on this first point. Which is why I say many here come in asking questions or making replies not with the intention of sharing or genuine discussion, but rather their aim is all about the conflict.
2) Personally I think there is nothing wrong with non-Christians coming here, it is what happends after they come here that is the problem. One one hand, the anti-Christians willl be here to cause trouble, on the other hand, sometimes Christians need to be more careful in their approach and welcome towards non-Christians at large. Christians should be mindful of how they react, even towards the unruly ones. (can't say I do that well, but hopefully I will try to do better)
No doubt sometimes when one acts in good faith the other does not respond in kind, still let us all at all times remember to respect each others right to believe or not to believe.
3) The part about mod in this forum, well it's ironic how some of the people who criticized you are even more of what they have said about you. Also, some of these people are very aware that there is no mod and that this forum will not be closed, hence they continue and knowingly come to incite conflict.
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to the extent of lying about 1 person accusing him of being clone, hypocritical abt being trying to be kind etc
what a load of bullcrap
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Originally posted by laurence82:
On similar note, i have told Jason about the topic where a heck lot of forumers accused him of being a clone. Trolls know how to lie and got sexposed
On a side note, what specifically did you message him? Was it about me or about David or about the topic itself? And in any case, what was Jason's reply to you?
I believe you might have messaged him but probably about something else with regards to the topic and not me. But still, what was Jason's reply?
Still, don't you find it ironic for you to be saying those things about me? Not to mention hypocritical as well?
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Originally posted by SomebodyInSG:
On a side note, what specifically did you message him? Was it about me or about David or about the topic itself? And in any case, what was Jason's reply to you?
I believe you might have messaged him but probably about something else with regards to the topic and not me. But still, what was Jason's reply?
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