Originally posted by SomebodyInSG:Yes, you too know it's weird to be accused by him of trolling.
It's like a serial rapist accusing others of being peeping toms, or a mass murdering accusing others of assault.
You yourself are neither a Christian nor someone who posts in EH, yet you can see he is blatantly trolling yet accusing others of trolling. Even some of his fellow p-members and other regular posters know he is trolling even if they do not say anything about it. Even those whom some think are his friends are aware he trolls.
I have sent a message to Jason about his accusation towards me being another poster under a different name, but he still continued to do it. Either Jason or whoever else chose not to act on it, or they told him yet he continues to do so. I'm not sure which is it.
Either way, have a good day yourself. May be weeks or months again before I message you.
tsk tsk
lying on the sly and got sexposed
Originally posted by Rooney9:dude, just read their history, u will know why. copernicus ring a bell?
because what u said is considered as blasphemy to them. who are you to judge and challenge god. they will do anything and say everything to defend their god at all costs.
I dont deny people mis-using religion. Politics, money, humans. Its kinda sad, but happening. Anyway religion is not to be blamed for all those shit that happened. It is mearly humans, because religion is never meant to be like that.
yes u r rite. who know who are the usual suspects here. no need to name any names here.
Originally posted by Rooney9:dude, just read their history, u will know why. copernicus ring a bell?
because what u said is considered as blasphemy to them. who are you to judge and challenge god. they will do anything and say everything to defend their god at all costs.
Since you mention about copernicus, why not think about Galileo as well.
Also, I have ever mentioned this more than once. Science and belief in God doesn't have to go two ways. Afterall, nothing happens in contrary to nature but only man's understanding of nature.
I myself view science as man's understanding of what God has created. Afterall, men of science such as Isaac N ewtown were Christians as well. In fact there are in existence scientists who are Christians, and even Scientists who are not Christians but support creationist theory.
To say Christians in general are against science would be a sweeping statement. Scientists within themselves have differing views not just on creation but many things in general.
Originally posted by SomebodyInSG:Actually, that last post was not intended for public eyes. Not that I'm ashamed of it or anything just that it was supposed to be a reply to somebody's private message to me.
Still, it really is very ironic how a certain invididual goes around accusing others of lying and of trolling when he himself as guilty if not definitely guiltier.
And about that topic accusing me of being a clone, well, at least two people who had said I was a clone in that topic have agreed though privately with me that I and that david guy are different people. One even said I should not have been caught up in it at all.
Still, be it accusing me or any other person of trolling, the irony and especially the hypocrysy is blatant and obviously there.
Aiya dont care so much, if comments makes sense, i dont care who is the one making it.
I would just like to point out again to many people, that there are many examples of the people who dont conform to your stereotype, be it Christian or non-Christian or even members of any faith.
Very often especially in this forum, there have been people who have encountered people who clearly do not conform to the stereotypes they have raised. Yet they ignore this fact and also even when replies are given in good faith, these same people do not act in the same good faith either.
Not every muslim is a member of Al Qaeda, and not every Buddhist is a vegetarian or doesn't eat beef.
There are many people here and even more in the rest of Singapore and the wider world who would respect the right of others to not believe or to believe in any other religion, whether that person believes in it himself or herself.
I am glad for the friends I have of many different faiths and those without any faith who respect each other's right to believe or not to believe, and their own individual practices of their respective faiths.
Think about it also what you are against or for, or are you just all about the conflict regardless of what the stand of the other person is or what they are saying.
Originally posted by SomebodyInSG:Since you mention about copernicus, why not think about Galileo as well.
Also, I have ever mentioned this more than once. Science and belief in God doesn't have to go two ways. Afterall, nothing happens in contrary to nature but only man's understanding of nature.
I myself view science as man's understanding of what God has created. Afterall, men of science such as Isaac N ewtown were Christians as well. In fact there are in existence scientists who are Christians, and even Scientists who are not Christians but support creationist theory.
To say Christians in general are against science would be a sweeping statement. Scientists within themselves have differing views not just on creation but many things in general.
hang on a sec. which non christian scientist accepted creationist theories? if they accepted creationist, why arent they wrote it in the reputable science journal if they are so convinced of that? so what are they waiting for? however to I dun think they will do so, because their reputations and work is so much more at stake. what evidence are they going to use to support god creations?
anyway since you are adamant they are god creations, I give it to you because I know you will say this because it is in the bible. But the laws of nature and phenomenon are not god's creations. I know you will find it hard to fathom laws of nature without god creations.
if bible is the truth, why doesnt it state gravity and others were god creations so that dispute wont arise in the future. you mean to say that earth movements that caused earthquakes and volcanic eruptions are god creation, hence acts of god?
what has eating beef got to do with buddhist I wonder? is that how you associate buddhist with not eating beef?
curiously is there anything in the bible against lying? or this is accepted?
Originally posted by Rooney9:hang on a sec. which non christian scientist accepted creationist theories? if they accepted creationist, why arent they wrote it in the reputable science journal if they are so convinced of that? so what are they waiting for? however to I dun think they will do so, because their reputations and work is so much more at stake. what evidence are they going to use to support god creations?
anyway since you are adamant they are god creations, I give it to you because I know you will say this because it is in the bible. But the laws of nature and phenomenon are not god's creations. I know you will find it hard to fathom laws of nature without god creations.
if bible is the truth, why doesnt it state gravity and others were god creations so that dispute wont arise in the future. you mean to say that earth movements that caused earthquakes and volcanic eruptions are god creation, hence acts of god?
I did mention to you before that I have come across it, and I also did mention I cannot for the life of me remember exactly when I read it and the names I had come across. I understand your sceptism and honestly if I could at least pull out one article for you I gladly would.
Just to point out though, man's laws about nature are not necessarily the actual laws of nature itself. However, I am thankful for people both past and present who have tried to make sense of the things around us. There is definitely nothing wrong with the spirit of that in itself.
The part about Buddhist not eating beef, I have been clear enough, so I leave it as that.
Originally posted by SomebodyInSG:I did mention to you before that I have come across it, and I also did mention I cannot for the life of me remember exactly when I read it and the names I had come across. I understand your sceptism and honestly if I could at least pull out one article for you I gladly would.
Just to point out though, man's laws about nature are not necessarily the actual laws of nature itself. However, I am thankful for people both past and present who have tried to make sense of the things around us. There is definitely nothing wrong with the spirit of that in itself.
The part about Buddhist not eating beef, I have been clear enough, so I leave it as that.
Nice explanation, science is like a faith itself, if you have faith in it, you believe it. Truths... hmm so can i say truths are subjective ?
Originally posted by TTFU:Nice explanation, science is like a faith itself, if you have faith in it, you believe it. Truths... hmm so can i say truths are subjective ?
If you put it like that, the statement in itself is not wrong. Afterall, it was a long held truth the earth was flat until proven otherwise.
For some, their belief in science is only limited to what they read in textbook. Be it belief in religion or belief in science, very often it still involves reading the text by others or intepretation by someone else. Which is why some friends (both Christian and non-Christian), believe there is still a need for the individual to be discerning. Not all peoples are blind sheep.
Afterall, sometimes we read in newspapers one day that scientists say coffee is good for you then a week later another article based on findings by another group of scientists says its bad for health.
Live and let live.
problem is why didnt the men who wrote the bible wrote the earth was round and that gravity was the reason why we are able to walk on the ground. didnt god tell them about his creations?
Originally posted by SomebodyInSG:If you put it like that, the statement in itself is not wrong. Afterall, it was a long held truth the earth was flat until proven otherwise.
For some, their belief in science is only limited to what they read in textbook. Be it belief in religion or belief in science, very often it still involves reading the text by others or intepretation by someone else. Which is why some friends (both Christian and non-Christian), believe there is still a need for the individual to be discerning. Not all peoples are blind sheep.
Afterall, sometimes we read in newspapers one day that scientists say coffee is good for you then a week later another article based on findings by another group of scientists says its bad for health.
Live and let live.
Yes, good example about the coffee. If one has faith in it, then that will be the truth to him.
Originally posted by TTFU:Yes, good example about the coffee. If one has faith in it, then that will be the truth to him.
since when scientists ever said coffee is good for health?
it has all along been said that is bad for one's body due to the fact that is is diuretic, promoted urine and has a stimulant, that is why it mades you awake. it also made you deyhdrated.
Originally posted by Rooney9:since when scientists ever said coffee is good for health?
it has all along been said that is bad for one's body due to the fact that is is diuretic, promoted urine and has a stimulant, that is why it mades you awake. it also made you deyhdrated.
I think i saw some news that moderate amounts of coffee is good for the heart
Originally posted by TTFU:I think i saw some news that moderate amounts of coffee is good for the heart
how come a stimulant be good for heart. it increases your heart palpitations, made it pump a lot harder. any stimulant is never good.
Originally posted by TTFU:I think i saw some news that moderate amounts of coffee is good for the heart
i heard abt this too.
just google.... coffee is good for health.
Originally posted by Chin Eng:just google.... coffee is good for health.
use http://scholar.google.com.sg/ instead
Originally posted by SBS n SMRT:I must say that i am not that active in this forum, but this is what i observed
Atheist make XXX comments
theists fight back and so on so on
this is unhealthy for such a forum
TO athesist: Please do not post anymore as it is not a place for you,
To theist, i felt it is time to ignore the trolls
For me: I shall ignore the trolls from now onwards and if i reply to some, this is for me to revise my biblical stuffs..thanks for those stupid atheists questions
That is a message of arrogance.
Originally posted by laurence82:I noticed a trend here
There is a tendency to blame atheists, so convenient, just as it was convenient to blame Satan and so on, poor atheists always been made the scapegoat
Avoidance via ad hominem argument...its easy to blame 'atheists' for lack of genuine discussion when you dont have substance for argument against them
That is in their blood.
Satan is created so that christians and God can push blame to Him. Poor thing Satan.
Originally posted by Rooney9:I am amazed to the extent I cant believe what I am reading. they can turn and twist the words to the extent they are portrayed as victims and we are the transgressors.
well that just goes to show what belief systems they have. anyway I have already maintained my stand. alot of people do not have a good impression of the faith because of their aggressiveness. It does not help when they told you, the idol you are praying is made of wood. I suppose everyone of us here have had some contacts with these people. I must say I dun think very well on them and the faith after the encounter. I certainly dun see any other religions here or elsewhere that are like them.
Such behaviour is even carried over to the workplace that is how many innocent non believers are killed by those evil christians. CNN
Originally posted by -StarDust-:Rooney9 go practise ur buddhist teachings lah dun come here to criticise us. R u a true buddhist?
Buddhist cant critisize other ppl's religions.
Buddhist can't criticise other ppl's religions so only christians can criticise others' religions ah --- like others worshipping satanic god idol. Swee!
To continue on science. We infer science is great and true because we are surrounded by it, we
infer that our brains exist by dissecting other skulls, as well as all
our other body parts.
That is because all possible knowledge depends on the validity of reasoning. But if scientific words like must be, therefore, and since;
then this certainty is merely a feeling based upon the authority of
other minds. Of course, if that is true then the theory explaining
everything (no longer called string theory, but m-theory) would be in
contradiction because the theory itself would have been reached through
thinking. If you believe that it is possible then, in a way there is no
such thing as free will, only the ultimatum of a world simply chasing
after its own freedom when in fact there is none.
The idea of authority is merely a submission of sorts, and in terms of both religion and science we do give authority. The difference is giving authority to some grand vague object that may or may not be there, against the authority of other humans.