My take on this forum
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Originally posted by Rooney9:
yes you are spot on. we all have unpleasant encounters with christians. my christian female boss. I was having a conversation with her on work, when suddenly she talked about praying to an idol made of wood and I was like, what was that for? When I talked about heaven and believed that whether we are chinese, indians or malay or caucasians, we will go to the same place after death. my christian classmate then barged in and said not so. only those who accepted Jesus will go to heaven and I was like.....I was talking to a friend on causality, cause and effect, when a christian friend interuppted and uttered, I dun believe that. I didnt respond to him, I just kept quiet. so you expected me to believe in god instead lol. so when he talked about god, should I say its all bullshit? so far, I have not said anything bad to christians in real life, but if they continue this type of behaviours, I will not rule out being rude in return.I'm surprised nobody has pointed this out to you so far.
i don't necessarily approve of what the Christian person did.
However, by keeping quiet about it, how do you expect the other person to discuss with you? read your mind? instead of having the balls to confront those Christians "in real life", you resort to being a keyboard warrior and slam Christianity in a forum. not only that, in the process, you have used slurs on the Christian God and your actions encourage others to do so.
and you still think you're not rude? or did anything wrong?
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Originally posted by 24/7:
I'm surprised nobody has pointed this out to you so far.
i don't necessarily approve of what the Christian person did.
However, by keeping quiet about it, how do you expect the other person to discuss with you? read your mind? instead of having the balls to confront those Christians "in real life", you resort to being a keyboard warrior and slam Christianity in a forum. not only that, in the process, you have used slurs on the Christian God and your actions encourage others to do so.
and you still think you're not rude? or did anything wrong?
yes i am rude, but not as rude and despicable to Rony Tan. he used his position as a leader of his church to critisize other faiths. not content in doing that, he told a former buddhist to smear it in front of the congregation in their thousands in the church. so is not what goes around comes around, comeuppance for Rony? What troubled me was that no community christian leader or bishop came out to make a statement, saying his views were not represented in the community here.
there were a few alec here who said he didnt make any mistake and the public hooha was a persecution on the faith. some even said he did not even need to apologise. I was like
. there is another brilliant reply, saying only god can judge him that was why the community did not condemn his actions. but then who gave the right for Rony to judge other faiths? -
Originally posted by Cck689461:
the forum is meant for a healthy discussion on christianity.
Rooney and laurence have brought up their viewpoint which are valid.
Christians should examine alternative viewpoint before commenting.
Scripture quoting holds no weight. Only logical and rational argument are of value.
It is improper for pastor to manipulate the church for his own well- being. that is for sure. the duty of the pastor is to care for the flock. but they have deviated from their calling and has fleeced the flock instead of caring for it.
This, the christians, cannot deny. The truth is the truth. CHC should not have invested in suntec . CHC should have used the money to help the poor.
This is why laurence and roony are so indignant at the matter. They have a right to show contempt because the Church has mismanaged its affairs.
Christians feel that non-christians have no right to judge the church. but has the church done right? have the pastor done right? have the church serve its true purpose as a house of prayer or has it become a clubhouse where the opposite sex flirt with each other?
Christians, do not be angry with rooney and laurence. Instead of bashing laurence and rooney, why dun the christians self-reflect on your own faults and misgivings.Admit your error and fault, repent and strive to be a better person. When you have achieve in doing that, laurence and rooney 's contempt will be resolved.
oh yeah, this from the person who thinks he knows everything.. great. So you say you are not at fault at all? You do not have any misgivings? You don't have preconcieved notions? You are totally unbaised? Look at how the rest of the secular world has so totally and royally screwed up and you want to come and point fingers at the church? I mean, I will be the first one to say the church has mismanaged the word of Yahweh, but please...roony's pov is only valid from the way he thinks... other people may not think the same way, so hence it is a subjective way of looking at things as well... no one here can have a totally objective discussion because ALL of us are coloured by our life's experiences.
If believers accepted the alternative pov, they would not be believers right? so maybe you should consider that they have already considered the other pov and found it wanting? Just as non-christians feel that the church has no right to judge them, so also they have no right to judge the church, if you accept the basic premise that if you want to speak your minds freely, then the other side also has the same right. Same thing can be said of non-christians, right? reflect on your ownselves and stop coming here to take a dump... you have issues look within yourself as to why you do and sort your own self out...
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Originally posted by Rooney9:
the problem is god creations. why didnt god come up with something that doesnt involved animals or vegetable or plants. surely he can come out with something that doesnt entailed sufferings isnt it.
what about babies borned deformed? why were they created like that? surely it has nothing to do with free will? when I see replies like this, I was like
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got one replies damn facinating. if not for abnormality, how do u
know what is normal. I was like gobsmacked lol. yes I know about
duality, but I wasnt asking that?why are babies born with abnomalities? these only come about because the basic DNA structure of the human being is affected... what affects the basic DNA structure? it can be a myraid of things, but mostly due to harmful chemicals, medicininal side effects, etc the list goes on... who created these?man. so who is at fault?
I am sure you will find some way of blaming G_d... but logically man in his quest to become god, has inadvertently caused a lot of harm to himself.
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Originally posted by Rooney9:
yes i am rude, but not as rude and despicable to Rony Tan. he used his position as a leader of his church to critisize other faiths. not content in doing that, he told a former buddhist to smear it in front of the congregation in their thousands in the church. so is not what goes around comes around, comeuppance for Rony? What troubled me was that no community christian leader or bishop came out to make a statement, saying his views were not represented in the community here.
there were a few alec here who said he didnt make any mistake and the public hooha was a persecution on the faith. some even said he did not even need to apologise. I was like
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there is another brilliant reply, saying only god can judge him
that was why the community did not condemn his actions. but then
who gave the right for Rony to judge other faiths?so what about all those radical Islamic clerics who call for jihad? is that ok? yet I do not see many people making that much noise...
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Originally posted by breytonhartge:
so what about all those radical Islamic clerics who call for jihad? is that ok? yet I do not see many people making that much noise...
They are scared for their lives
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Originally posted by breytonhartge:
why are babies born with abnomalities? these only come about because the basic DNA structure of the human being is affected... what affects the basic DNA structure? it can be a myraid of things, but mostly due to harmful chemicals, medicininal side effects, etc the list goes on... who created these?man. so who is at fault?
I am sure you will find some way of blaming G_d... but logically man in his quest to become god, has inadvertently caused a lot of harm to himself.
yes this is genetics. but you lot said god is responsible for the creation of everything.
like god created the earth in 6 days and we, the humans are the creations of god.
DNA and genetics do not conform with creationist, so you are holding a satanic views. remember the persecution of Copernicus when he said the earth was round?
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Originally posted by breytonhartge:
so what about all those radical Islamic clerics who call for jihad? is that ok? yet I do not see many people making that much noise...
of course they are condemned by everyone universally except for their sympathisers.
they are a bunch of propandandists who made use of god to justify their means, like Jihad. Mainstream muslims came out condemn and do not condone their actions and explained this is no Jihad. but then dun deflect the question.
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Originally posted by An Eternal Now:
They are scared for their lives
you don't start...
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Originally posted by Rooney9:
of course they are condemned by everyone universally except for their sympathisers.
they are a bunch of propandandists who made use of god to justify their means, like Jihad. Mainstream muslims came out condemn and do not condone their actions and explained this is no Jihad.
that is what they say, but wait to see what they do...
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Originally posted by Rooney9:
yes this is genetics. but you lot said god is responsible for the creation of everything.
like god created the earth in 6 days and we, the humans are the creations of god.
DNA and genetics do not conform with creationist, so you are holding a satanic views. remember the persecution of Copernicus when he said the earth was round?
how do DNA and genetics not conform to G_d's views?? I am not with them lot FYI. So Yahweh is responsibile for creating man, so He invented our DNA, who else could come up with such a complex yet simple way of encoding the information that gives us life??
how is DNA and genetics in line with satanism??
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go explain to your brethrens here that deformed babies are due to genetics and have nothing to do with god. we are certainly not the creations of god, we are the product of our parents.
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Originally posted by breytonhartge:
how do DNA and genetics not conform to G_d's views?? I am not with them lot FYI. So Yahweh is responsibile for creating man, so He invented our DNA, who else could come up with such a complex yet simple way of encoding the information that gives us life??
how is DNA and genetics in line with satanism??
oh my now comes the interesting part. now you are linking DNA as god's creations. this truly astounded me
now back to square one again 
because its not written in the bible. how do u know DNA is not satanism? satanism could come in the disguise of science what
, just like the bible consider other faiths as the works of satan. science is a new religion, so doesnt it falls under satanism in the eyes of the bible? -
Originally posted by Rooney9:
go explain to your brethrens here that deformed babies are due to genetics and have nothing to do with god. we are certainly not the creations of god, we are the product of our parents.
you have not answered my question, how does DNA and genetics link with satanism? what is there to explain?? you say that we are not creations of G_d, but then how did we come to exist? the theory postulated by darwinism is just that a theory that cannot be proven, even today no one can create life. you can put all the basic building blocks together in a lab experiment, but still cannot create life. how do you then explain that??
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Originally posted by Rooney9:
oh my now comes the interesting part. now you are linking DNA as god's creations. this truly astounded me
now back to square one again because its not written in the bible. how do u know DNA is not satanism? satanism could come in the disguise of science what
, just like the bible consider other faiths as the
works of satan. science is a new religion, so doesnt it falls under
satanism in the eyes of the bible?please go and do your research, you make very sweeping statements that make no sense... are science and G_d mutually exclusive? So just because it is not written in the bible it is satanism?
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life and our universe has no beginning at all. why must there be a beginning. if there is a beginning, surely there must be an end. it is simple to attribute life and the universe to a creator because this explains everything very easily. god create DNA, sperm etc etc which is the building blocks of life. god created the earth in 6 days and many others. no need to rack your brains out and just say god created this.
anyway I know how your faiths works lar. I certainly do not agree there is a creator in our midst. although science cant explain everything, but it helps to dispel the myths of so many things. unfortunately our ancient ancestors did not get to share the knowledge that we have. at least we now know that tsunamis is not the act of god, same as volcanic eruptions. if u study geography, you will know. we know earth was round and not square.
anyway I do not think you can fathom a world without a creator. einstein said, everything is relative. it does not exists independently, but depending on causality. as for the big bang, it is a theory, but it is a better alternative to the concept of a creator.
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Originally posted by Rooney9:
life and our universe has no beginning at all. why must there be a beginning. if there is a beginning, surely there must be an end. it is simple to attribute life and the universe as a creator because this explains everything very easily. god create DNA, sperm etc etc which is the building blocks of life.
anyway I know how your faiths works lar. I certainly do not agree there is a creator in our midst. although science cant explain everything, but it helps to dispel the myths of so many things. unfortunately our ancient ancestors did not get to share the knowledge that we have. at least we now know that tsunamis is not the act of god, same as volcanic eruptions. if u study geography, you will know. we know earth was round and not square.
this is your pov... i respect that.. but you still have not proven your case that G_d does not exist.
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Originally posted by breytonhartge:
this is your pov... i respect that.. but you still have not proven your case that G_d does not exist.
the onus is on you, not me to prove there is a god. if you say there is a god, proof it. why should I prove it anyway? I didnt say there is a god in the first place. but then let me advise you that, if there are proof, you should proof it once and for all this issue so that we can put this to bed. can I suggest, if god talks to you next time, can you tape it and present it as evidence.
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Originally posted by Rooney9:
the onus is on you, not me to prove there is a god. if you say there is a god, proof it. why should I prove it anyway? I didnt say there is a god in the first place. but then let me advise you that, if there are proof, you should proof it once and for all this issue so that we can put this to bed. can I suggest, if god talks to you next time, can you tape it and present it as evidence.
for you to ask me for proof that G_d exists, then I should also have that same right to ask for you to prove that He does not. You already said that you believe that there is no creator. So prove that statement.
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dudes
its 1.36 am in SG, 3.36 in Sydney
and we got work later
so why dont we get some sleep?
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Originally posted by breytonhartge:
for you to ask me for proof that G_d exists, then I should also have that same right to ask for you to prove that He does not. You already said that you believe that there is no creator. So prove that statement.
simple lar. because till date, there is no proof of photos, videos, audios that god existed. until you there provide the proof, there are no god. but then if you have proof, you and your brethrens will present them to the whole world by now isnt it. then textbooks, journals and newspapers, magazines will all report that there is god after all. if not, the debate of whether god exists wouldnt lasts until now.
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Originally posted by laurence82:
dudes
its 1.36 am in SG, 3.36 in Sydney
and we got work later
so why dont we get some sleep?
the night is still young...
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if i'm the believer, i will have deeper thoughts on those questions post by non believers. these questions worth deeper thoughts. if they do not appeal to you that you need deeper thoughts, that means you are following your faith blindly.
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Originally posted by Fairyfairy86:
if i'm the believer, i will have deeper thoughts on those questions post by non believers. these questions worth deeper thoughts. if they do not appeal to you that you need deeper thoughts, that means you are following your faith blindly.
Opinions are like assholes....everybody has one
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Originally posted by googoomuck:
Opinions are like assholes....everybody has one
i can understand that when people are lost and don't know what to reply, they will usually utter nonsense.