Dun believe then go eternal hell?
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Originally posted by -StarDust-:
I am being critisized again.Y dont u believe that with faith is enough to let u go to heaven. Only faith not good works.
So you mean just faith ? wat If have faith and commit atrocities like murdering and raping ?
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Originally posted by TTFU:
So you mean just faith ? wat If have faith and commit atrocities like murdering and raping ?
if you read on the article I posted (Jesus lived in India), there were a lot of things the church forbade and rejected in that era.
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Originally posted by -StarDust-:
I am being critisized again.Y dont u believe that with faith is enough to let u go to heaven. Only faith not good works.
Did you read the bible carefully ? One bible but 2 interpretations. May be dragg should tell you which lines in the bible said few will enter heaven and not all christians will enter heaven.
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dun believe go to eternal hell....
those who believe 知法犯法 and makes money out of it leh?
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Originally posted by -StarDust-:
I am being critisized again.Y dont u believe that with faith is enough to let u go to heaven. Only faith not good works.
how can faith alone lead you to heaven? how do you define or measure faith?
it is through your living that shows your faith in god isnt it?
how can you say you have faith in god when you dont live a life that reflects him?
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Some people believe in faith in the extreme form. Faith in terms of ur faith to God. The unquestioned loyalty to live by example. Scriptures, teachings Jesus.
Like unshakened faith in the Almighty while facing down the barrel of the gun asking u to deny ur faith.
Maybe that is what Stardust meant.
Faith transcending.
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Originally posted by Rooney9:
cretin humour! Is this suppose to be funny?
OK. ......hahahaha.......very funny........hahahaha.......very funny
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Originally posted by dragg:
its just an example.
they think heaven is there for the taking just because they profess their belief in god.
a believer is a temple of god. their behaviour reflects god. take a good look around you. how many people actually reflects positively of god? most religious people 光说�练��
Absolutely agree with you. Jesus himself said that not all who called him Lord will enter the Kingdom of God. -
Originally posted by dragg:
you didnt get my point.
being a christian isnt just about going to church and praying for forgiveness. if its that easy heaven will be overcrowded. its written somewhere in the bible the number of people who could go to heaven are few.
how could someone lose her temper nearly everyday? there are no sign of repentance at all.
The road to heaven is very narrow. God wants his children to repent and do His will.The scripture speaks about forsaking all to follow Jesus. It speaks about suffering for the gospel and ... MAT 7:21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven; but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven. ....
Matthew 3:1-2 In those days John the Baptist came, preaching in the Desert of Judea [2] and saying, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is near.”
•• John the Baptist announced the nearness of the kingdom of heaven.
• The nearness of the kingdom was given as a motive for repentance — “Repent, for the kingdom...”
Matthew 4:17 From that time on Jesus began to preach, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is near.”
•• Interesting. Jesus’ first public messages emphasized the same theme as John the Baptist’s — that is, the nearness of the kingdom of heaven.
• And again, the urgency of repentance in light of the nearness of kingdom of heaven.
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Originally posted by Fairyfairy86:
Stardust should learn more from you. Many Christians are like him thought just convert to Christian and will be saved by grace and sure will go to heaven. Christianity and Buddhism are the same, they are not easy religion. It is only that Christians are misled into thinking it is an easier religion than Buddhism.
Many think by accepting Jesus and become Christians they are given free tickets to heaven. God is not blind to know the evil of some to allow them to heaven -
Originally posted by hasene:
Many think by accepting Jesus and become Christians they are given free tickets to heaven. God is not blind to know the evil of some to allow them to heavenyes I have christians telling me that. they say to go heaven, must accept Jesus. didnt say if accept but commit crimes and murder can go heaven or not?
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Originally posted by Rooney9:
yes I have christians telling me that. they say to go heaven, must accept Jesus. didnt say if accept but commit crimes and murder can go heaven or not?
For this going to heaven Jesus has said about it, I quoted above.However, I have doubt here - Jesus turned to the 2 criminals when he was on the cross and told them today they will be with him in paradise. Contradiction found.
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he told only one of them that he will be in paradise...not both...please get that fact rite...
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to fairyfairy...
u actually said christianity and buddhism are the same? u have proven wad i have been saying...no wonder u cannot understand christianity...u keep tinking both religions are the same...i tink i have said enuff abt them being different...continue tinking they are the same and see if u can ever undestand christianity wif that mindset...
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going along the line of good works...not christianity...wad do u have to say abt someone who do good all his life then commit murder? heaven or hell? dun say such ppl dun exist ah...u can nvr be too sure...
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to fairyfairy
i could understand buddhism fundamentally because i approached it believing tat christianity and buddhism are different...and this method worked...i noe christians who approached buddhism with the mindset tat its the same as christianity..guess wad? they could nt understand even the fundamentals of buddhism...so as far as i am concerned(u can choose not to take follow), to understand religions, u must approach each one of them wif the mindset that they are different as a whole...
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I think in the past, the Christians really meant that those who belief in God & follow in his footsteps to do good will go to heaven. But nowadays a lot of brainwashed Christian misinterpreted everything & as times goes by, it becomes those who doesn't believe in God goes to hell.
So actually no matter what religion you are in. as long as you do good, you will have a chance to go to heaven.
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do good...how much good then considered good enuff?
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Originally posted by despondent:
do good...how much good then considered good enuff?
As long as you got the heart to do good, you will continue doing. Probably it doesn't matter how much, but if you can help, just help. If you can't, Buddha or God also won't punish you ma.
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ok...but juz sth to tink abt...if it doesnt mean how much, then for the scenario i mentioned above...do good all his life then commit murder, go heaven or hell? also, if how much dun matter...doesnt tat seem to imply alot of ppl will go heaven?
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Originally posted by despondent:
ok...but juz sth to tink abt...if it doesnt mean how much, then for the scenario i mentioned above...do good all his life then commit murder, go heaven or hell? also, if how much dun matter...doesnt tat seem to imply alot of ppl will go heaven?
Since you are a christian why don't you refer to the bible for this? -
i noe the story...Jesus said it to one of the criminals only...i am 100% certain...
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Originally posted by despondent:
ok...but juz sth to tink abt...if it doesnt mean how much, then for the scenario i mentioned above...do good all his life then commit murder, go heaven or hell? also, if how much dun matter...doesnt tat seem to imply alot of ppl will go heaven?
I think if you already know that murdering is wrong, why do it in the first place? I think all religion is to teach people to do good, be kind, compassionate. If a person knows murdering, hurting others are wrong but still do it, then he or she is not following the ways. Then confirm guarantee go hell de lah.
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then one act of murder offset all the good he did b4 the murder? is that fair? sometimes, murder is committed in a fit of anger...in other words, the person was overwhelmed by fury and wasnt tinking properly...the judge will still pronounce him guilty of murder since he wasnt medically unsound...so wads the verdict? heaven or hell?