Dun believe then go eternal hell?
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Originally posted by Happyinfo2:
see, you are a stupid idiot and hasene cleary asked 24/7 "Happinfo is a clone of yours." and yet you can say "nobody ever said you are a clone of anyone ha"?
proven you are an idiot and liar once again
......and that's the reality and no false
perception of yours can change that.
Actually, it's because somebody sidetracked and wanted to bring my name into it. Why I don't know. Is it relevant? Again that's another question.
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Originally posted by hasene:
From Happyinfo2's post to me accusing me is like as if if one is not a christian,. one will subject himself or herself for bashing, attacking and flaming by evil christians.Evil one indeed! Somemore scold KNN , now I scold him KNN!
Today is Sunday, all evil christians (excluding nice, kind, spiritually mature and peaceloving christians) attend church service to worship God. AFter Sunday service go off to attack non christians. This we called them Sunday Christians.
"If one is not a Christian, one will subject himself or herself for bashing, attacking and flaming by evil Christians", I myself can't agree this is right. Just because you are a non-Christian or "non" of any religion, it doesn't mean you should get bashed.
I must thank you at least for some level of distinction that not all who call themselves Christians or church-goers are the same.
However, the logic that just because "one is a non-Christian and will get bashed by Christians" sounds more like the logic that some (not all) non-Christians staunchly believe as the truth.
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Originally posted by Rooney9:
yes. you can see the similarity of their barks, lies, liar and you haven answered my question yet. that is a big giveaway
anyway since you said in your earlier posts,
they must deem I am sincere here since they keep chasing me for
their no good lousy questions lol. I come here in good faith
I did not ever think that you and Laurence were of the same type.
Although brash in your approach, I felt somewhere at least your agenda and his were different. However if you ask me if I think your tendencies and his are beginning to merge, I would be lying if I said I didn't think so.
In any case, do you honestly believe I and this other person are the same? Whether or not he is in the right or in the wrong?
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I can't remember who to address this to as the posts have gotten messy over the last two pages, but whoever is using the nickname "Taoism" or "Taoist" is definitely not making some very right or nice posts. If you think fit, then complain to whoever you think is relevant regarding him.
About those posts of his you dislike, is it wrong? Yes. Is it Christian-like? No.
Remember, don't stereotype. Just as not all non-Christians are anti-Christians, not every muslim is a member of Al Qaeda.
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Originally posted by 24/7:
appreciate the suggestion, especially if it's out of sincerity and goodwill. A forum is a medium where ideas can be discussed with civility. Unfortunately, there will usually be trolls who are out to ambush the discussion, usually by making unnecessary, unjustified assertions and in some cases, unrelated suggestions. Don't think i'll relent from attempting civil discussions, the trolls cant strut their stuff, doesn't faze me.
I agree, for some it is all about the conflict and about their agenda.
Nevermind what the discussion was about, some of these people just want the conflict, the mudslinging and all. Still, I believe it's important that we state our real stand over the issues, even if we have to do it again and again.
For me in this thread, it would be about the belief of heaven or hell. Non-Christians going to hell is part of our belief, and to say otherwise would be wrong and a lie. However, it is very clear and obvious we do not say it to curse others, or as wishing that they would go there. If anything, we would want for them not to go there.
However, if one does not believe in the heaven and hell as stated in the bible, then what is it to that person?
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Originally posted by hasene:
YOu are right , Rooney9. That is the reason why I ignore this troublemaker's posts on attack to me. He and the dukedracula spamming posts for ongoing attack. Will you believe if someone is so fast to be defensive over christianity and christian and tell you he is not a christian. No non christians will be so enthusiastic to defend christianity, christians. Liar.
I have been in church in the past and mixing around with Christians for this I can tell who are the nasty and pleasant christians.
As a side point, if someone I know says something that I don't believe is true about another religion, I would point it out.
For one thing, I would point out that not all muslims are would-be murderers and members of Al Qaede.
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Originally posted by 24/7:
if morals change change and are as what you said, based within local areas, how can anyone say that the Holocaust was wrong, after all it was merely the expression of Nazi Germany's moral tastes? Secondly, are u then suggesting that there might come a time when child abuse, rape and murder will be considered morally acceptable? Thirdly, if as u claimed, morals are based within tribal groups, wouldn't suicide bombing be considered not morally wrong since it's called for within a small sect of religious zealots? What then is our right or grounds to condemn such actions?
Re arguments made by most atheists - if that's true, it's really an a priori rejection based on their personal preferences / desires rather than one arrived at through reasoning and intellectual engagement. although i hesitate to generalize as there are those with a real reasonable case, rather than a personal vendetta.
Re evolution, i never claimed evolution to be false. My question was, "What evidence would convince you that evolution is false? If no such evidence exists, or indeed could exist, how can evolution be a testable scientific theory?"
Actually, what you say about morales does make some sense. Morales are decided by the group or the majority. Although in itself does not make it bad, it does not mean it will be good either such as in the examples you've given.
Just to further add, dancing whereby the man puts his hands on the woman used to be considered immoral. Pre-marital sex used to and is still considered by some to be immoral, but the view and consensus towards this has also largely changed over the years.
Not going to comment on the points about evolution though, at least not right now.
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This post is for TTFU, Despondent and whoever else was talking about free will on page 9.
The thing about free will is that people have the chance to choose the right for themselves or the wrong for themselves. Free will means having the chance to make mistakes. Some people believe everything should be controlled, so that nothing wrong or bad will happen, that in itself is another debate altogether.
Actually this theme about free-will is very often addressed in various movies or stories. Sometimes it's one dictator saying he is trying to control everything for the greater good, whereas the protaganist is saying people should be allowed to choose for themselves.
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to me, its ironic cos the very same ppl who wants freewill are asking why humans were given freewilll that led to sin and suffering? so do they or do they not want freewill? make up their minds lah...
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Originally posted by Rooney9:
yes. you can see the similarity of their barks, lies, liar and you haven answered my question yet. that is a big giveaway
anyway since you said in your earlier posts,
they must deem I am sincere here since they keep chasing me for
their no good lousy questions lol. I come here in good faith
dun say anything out of order
or else they will smear ur name faster than u say 'bangladeshi workers tarring the road'
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Originally posted by hasene:
Since he started to use KNN on me, i will not resist to call him a bloody ass. He is a wolf in sheep's clothing.vividcritique, dragg, all these nicks are nice and understanding christians who are responsible to quote bible verses when they communicate here. Only those evil christian trolls don't dare quote bible verses. Think they dare not quote bible verses, they know if they quote , they must base on what they quote to behave here. FRom here we can see, they put the words of god, jesus away when they come here to kill attack us.
Just to let you know, the anti-Christians were the ones who also said Christians should not quote bible verses here. So you think Christians should quote bible verses, these other people don't.
Decide for yourself if they are like you or not.
I would not call you an anti-Christian, and neither do I deny your bad experiences with Christians. Still you yourself state you know there are good Christians and bad Christians, I just hope you not let others make you lose sight of that (Intentionally).
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Originally posted by SomebodyInSG:
Just to let you know, the anti-Christians were the ones who also said Christians should not quote bible verses here. So you think Christians should quote bible verses, these other people don't.
Decide for yourself if they are like you or not.
I would not call you an anti-Christian, and neither do I deny your bad experiences with Christians. Still you yourself state you know there are good Christians and bad Christians, I just hope you not let others make you lose sight of that (Intentionally).
do u mean when non christians are bashed by somebodyinsg and christian trolls are totally ignored
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Originally posted by laurence82:
do u mean when non christians are bashed by somebodyinsg and christian trolls are totally ignored
No, I don't mean that.
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Originally posted by SomebodyInSG:
Just to let you know, the anti-Christians were the ones who also said Christians should not quote bible verses here. So you think Christians should quote bible verses, these other people don't.
Decide for yourself if they are like you or not.
I would not call you an anti-Christian, and neither do I deny your bad experiences with Christians. Still you yourself state you know there are good Christians and bad Christians, I just hope you not let others make you lose sight of that (Intentionally).
Frankly, there are nice christians here but very few. vividcritique is nice. By reading his thread can tell he is spiritually mature, peaceloving and a good example of a nice christian. He is encouraging in his thread to the christians. Let me tell you, the spiritually mature, pleasant, peace loving and kind christians are either coming here once in a while or they appear and then disappear. One of them told me to send PM to her if I have questions on christianity and advise me against asking the evildoing christians here. Base on the standard of christianity she deems the evildoing christians here are not behaving to what God wants them to. -
Originally posted by SomebodyInSG:
No, I don't mean that.
evidence evidence evidence
http://sgforums.com/forums/1381/topics/403717?page=1#post_9874253
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Dun believe then go hell is the most controvesial subject in the christian world
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Originally posted by hasene:
Frankly, there are nice christians here but very few. vividcritique is nice. By reading his thread can tell he is spiritually mature, peaceloving and a good example of a nice christian. He is encouraging in his thread to the christians. Let me tell you, the spiritually mature, pleasant, peace loving and kind christians are either coming here once in a while or they appear and then disappear. One of them told me to send PM to her if I have questions on christianity and advise me against asking the evildoing christians here. Base on the standard of christianity she deems the evildoing christians here are not behaving to what God wants them to.Yes, to really answer questions properly about Christianity it's better done one to one. Because in open forum there's a lot of input from both sides. And sometimes as you've seen it goes way off track because people on both sides have their own agenda.
Others beside vividcritique have also made similar offers to address issues or questions via pm. And like I always say, I hope for yourself and others to continue to meet more Christians like that.
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i met more ugly ones, like somebodyinsg
*shudders*
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Originally posted by laurence82:
i met more ugly ones, like somebodyinsg
*shudders*
I also hope for you to meet Christians better than myself who do not conform to those stereotypical views.
I hope for you to meet them and beware of them, and not turn a blind eye or shut them out.
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Originally posted by SomebodyInSG:
I also hope for you to meet Christians better than myself who do not conform to those stereotypical views.
I hope for you to meet them and beware of them, and not turn a blind eye or shut them out.
hey hey i met ugly christian in this thread
guess who it is
http://sgforums.com/forums/1381/topics/403717?page=1#post_9874253
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Originally posted by laurence82:
hey hey i met ugly christian in this thread
guess who it is
http://sgforums.com/forums/1381/topics/403717?page=1#post_9874253
Again like I said, even though you keep trying to push away the message.
I hope for you and people like you to meet Christians out there who don't conform to negative stereotypes. I also wish for you to be aware they exist and not turn a blind eye to them or shut them out.
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Originally posted by SomebodyInSG:
Again like I said, even though you keep trying to push away the message.
I hope for you and people like you to meet Christians out there who don't conform to negative stereotypes. I also wish for you to be aware they exist and not turn a blind eye to them or shut them out.
this is my message to ugly christians like you, i understand for your ego and pride you wish to avoid it but fact remains
http://sgforums.com/forums/1381/topics/403717?page=1#post_9874253
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Originally posted by laurence82:
this is my message to ugly christians like you, i understand for your ego and pride you wish to avoid it but fact remains
http://sgforums.com/forums/1381/topics/403717?page=1#post_9874253
Again like I said I did not avoid anything. I was and still am trying to address it although your own opinion says otherwise.
Your message is noted so now I have some questions for you.
I have posed a similar question before to you that you did not reply either, that do your negative views of Christians apply only to some Christians or all Christians?
Do the negative practices you talk about happen in some Churches or all Churches?
Do you yourself really not know of any Christians or Churches that do not conform to negative stereotypes?
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Originally posted by SomebodyInSG:
Again like I said I did not avoid anything. I was and still am trying to address it although your own opinion says otherwise.
Your message is noted so now I have some questions for you.
I have posed a similar question before to you that you did not reply either, that do your negative views of Christians apply only to some Christians or all Christians?
Do the negative practices you talk about happen in some Churches or all Churches?
Do you yourself really not know of any Christians or Churches that do not conform to negative stereotypes?
i dont know about opinions
there is no reason for me to answer any of your question if you continue in your aim to ignore christian trolls and bash non christians
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Originally posted by laurence82:
i dont know about opinions
there is no reason for me to answer any of your question if you continue in your aim to ignore christian trolls and bash non christians
You have been diverting and avoiding such questions even before the skythewood incident.
Again let me ask you,
Do the negative practices you talk about happen in some Churches or all Churches?
Do you yourself really not know of any Christians or Churches that do not conform to negative stereotypes?