Dun believe then go eternal hell?
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Originally posted by hasene:
Come clean with it, admit to me you are here with intention to flame and bash me. YOU are dumb bloody stupid to jump into conclusion without even bother to check the thread I posted from Taoism and accused me. Read the link below, it is Taoism that said he is a buddhist. From the way he posts we who are sensible and not stupid know he is a christian pretending to be a buddhist. Read the link before you bark at the wrong tree:
http://sgforums.com/forums/8/topics/403412
So what you spoke about the 13 units, I did not beg you to say anything for me. So what if I am a buddhist, and so what if I am a free thinker, and so what if I am a muslim?????? I am not a christian so does it mean you will want to kill me? Troll!
Since you used this on me "
here we have it .... buddhist denying they are buddhist.... why? KNN!"
I am giving you back, telling you you are KNN! barking at the wrong tree, still not happy come and kill me.
this fellow talks exactly the same with a certain someone here. I know, you know who that alter ego is
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Originally posted by Rooney9:
this fellow talks exactly the same with a certain someone here. I know, you know who that alter ego is
Since he started to use KNN on me, i will not resist to call him a bloody ass. He is a wolf in sheep's clothing.vividcritique, dragg, all these nicks are nice and understanding christians who are responsible to quote bible verses when they communicate here. Only those evil christian trolls don't dare quote bible verses. Think they dare not quote bible verses, they know if they quote , they must base on what they quote to behave here. FRom here we can see, they put the words of god, jesus away when they come here to kill attack us.
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remind me of somebodyinsg when he got caught as clone of david
he denied it even when whole forum censure him for doing so
seems clone/troll masters come from members of particular faith, dont you think?
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Originally posted by laurence82:
remind me of somebodyinsg when he got caught as clone of david
he denied it even when whole forum censure him for doing so
seems clone/troll masters come from members of particular faith, dont you think?
I believe he has another nick in EH. He disappeared liao. -
Originally posted by hasene:
I believe he has another nick in EH. He disappeared liao.
he never left, just came back with a new nick thats all
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Originally posted by Rooney9:
he never left, just came back with a new nick thats all
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Originally posted by Rooney9:
he never left, just came back with a new nick thats all
From Happyinfo2's post to me accusing me is like as if if one is not a christian,. one will subject himself or herself for bashing, attacking and flaming by evil christians.Evil one indeed! Somemore scold KNN , now I scold him KNN!
Today is Sunday, all evil christians (excluding nice, kind, spiritually mature and peaceloving christians) attend church service to worship God. AFter Sunday service go off to attack non christians. This we called them Sunday Christians.
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Originally posted by laurence82:
remind me of somebodyinsg when he got caught as clone of david
he denied it even when whole forum censure him for doing so
seems clone/troll masters come from members of particular faith, dont you think?
yes. you can see the similarity of their barks, lies, liar and you haven answered my question yet. that is a big giveaway
anyway since you said in your earlier posts, they must deem I am sincere here since they keep chasing me for their no good lousy questions lol. I come here in good faith 
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Originally posted by hasene:
I am talking about Happyinfo2. Do you think he is SomebodyinSG? He sounds like SomebodyinSG.not him, but somebody who always accuses people of lies, liar and you have not answered my questions yet
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Originally posted by Rooney9:
yes. you can see the similarity of their barks, lies, liar and you haven answered my question yet. that is a big giveaway
anyway since you said in your earlier posts, they must deem I am sincere here since they keep chasing me for their no good lousy questions lol. I come here in good faith
you have your every good reason to doubt these evil christians since they don't support what they say by quoting you bible verse to support. All the time it is they who said about this and that and nothing to do with their belief.They are carnal beings in christian term. Being carnal is not what god wants. Once they believed they are supposed to be new being, transform into the likeness of Christ.
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Originally posted by 24/7:
moral universalism doesn't answer the question. it just expands the playing field a bit bigger than moral relativism. the question remains, what is the atheist's rational warrant for calling one choice "moral" and another choice "not moral"? because these people said it?
Atheists derive their morality ( a guess) largely from the Golden Rule. Don't be a prick, be civil, be peaceful, be generous when you can, be loyal when it's warranted, etc. Basically the same principles religion has picked up and tried to use to sound legitimate, but again, these "rules" have been around longer than religion. They just listen to the rules directly instead of through a deity/religious label.
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Originally posted by 24/7:
does that mean morality becomes an issue of numbers or rather, political influence (history is dictated by the victors, in this case, pax Americana) a practice of enforcing one's cultural imperative? smells of hegemonic colonialism. if Germany had won WWII, would that mean it would be right to practise systematic racial extermination?
The right? No. But the power to enforce these morals? Quite possibly. And if they went unquestioned it likely would have played out that way.
Another example. Christian rule during the Dark Ages. History is written by the winners, and Christian authority was definitely winning in Western Europe. Heathens were tortured and killed, what saplings of science were there were ignored or squashed, and general reasoning was stamped out in favor of faith and loyalty to the church.
We're still feeling the "moral paradigm" of Christianity to this day. So, yes, I just compared Christianity to Nazi Fascism. -
Originally posted by 24/7:
before moral universalism came on the scene, then how can one rationally claim that evil existed? i mean, if morality hasn't been properly agreed upon till moral universalism entered the picture, how should we deal with those people whose moral judgments differed from ours?
Lastly, the notion of morality that moral univ promotes, can only concern itself with what is. But morality as understood by Christianity, is concerned with ought. Can anyone derive ought from is?
Well, I personally view "good and evil" as "beneficial and detrimental to the most people" (utilitarian viewpoint). I wouldn't call them exactly synonymous, but close.
As far as how we deal with those whose cultural and personal morals differ - we do so very carefully. Anything harmful (human rights, etc) we judge in attempted unbiased manner with our "moral backbone" in mind. Anything else (cultural customs, etc) we should leave alone (unless they can be improved in efficiency).Religious "ought" morality not necessarily a bad thing, it gives people hope and something to aspire to be. carrot on a stick?
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Generally can morals change, I think it's a bit of both. There's an inherent moral "backbone", if you will, that is passed down genetically and just a part of our psyche. Psychology (especially evolutionary psychology) has found many reactions, expressions and emotions that are inherent across the globe in humans.
So things like "don't kill, don't steal, don't lie"? Those are all just ingrained in our psyche. They are there because we're pack animals, and performing those actions (killing, stealing, etc) in a pack creates disharmony.
However, I do that that beyond that inherent moral backbone there are cultural and personal morals. Cultural being what you've been taught (rather, what you've assimilated) and personal being your own personal ethics, influenced by your personality, genes, and upbringing.
Morality is NOT strictly "objective" (universal) or strictly "subjective" (relative), that much I am sure about.Perhaps religious people sometimes think their religion was the source of this moral backbone, but it sadly was not. That small bit of universal morality has been around way longer than religion.
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Originally posted by 24/7:
the atheist cannot perform objective testing without first presupposing an objective reality in the first place. the laws of nature don't work itself out over the years. the law of gravity existed way before it was discovered, it wasn't invented. same with the laws of logic - Aristotle discovered it, he didn't create it. So the question then is how do these laws come about? In a constantly changing universe, as the atheist has suggested, how does he account for universal, unchanging and immaterial laws?
ur kind because when they failed to answer your question according to the point, and move on other irrelevant topics, you grant them the leeway and indulge them in it. kind as in generous, not in the moral sense. there's nothing wrong in being nice to some people, but there has to be a limit - one should not throw pearls before swines.
The athetist not entirely sure that these laws are "never-changing". Scientists think that the scientific laws we know of were the result of the big bang, and could have very likely been different before the bang. If the big bang erupted from the death of a previous universe, it is not unlikely that universe had very different laws.
There's also the fact that these laws change depending on what level of matter you're looking at. Subatomic and quantum scale is very different from astrophysics is very different from the physics of you bouncing a basketball.
Now I don't think any atheist ever claimed that man created any laws of physics, they just discover, label, and "mathematize" them. We acknowledge that these laws have been with this universe for possibly as long as the universe has been "alive", but we attribute them to energy states and the big bang, not a deityI think you're saying "they didn't just appear over time" and not "they don't change over the years". In which case: how do you know and what makes you so sure? If a deity could come out of nowhere with no creator, why can't something so simple as Weight = Mass * Gravity come out of nowhere with no creator?
Perhaps They're there as certainly as anything else. Nobody has to account for them any more than the wind has to be accounted for.
But think for a second, you might say "well surely it's weird that no laws change, I should be here and watch gravity change each day because that'd be way more random and natural." But if the universe was like that it'd be totally unstable, and life probably could never exist, let alone our planet and sun (which goes out for a century every 1,000 years because the laws change). You wouldn't exist, so you would not experience them. You only exist because the laws are stable enough. You cannot be alive in an unstable universe, so you can never experience unstable laws.
You are far too concerned with "why are these laws like this."
Science is not concerned with why, it doesn't care whether there's a why. It only cares what is. It is fact that those laws happen to be that way and whether a deity wrote those equations in his notepad or they just popped out of thin air doesn't change the fact the laws are there and they appear to have been stable ever since the big bang. -
Originally posted by Rooney9:
nobody ever said you are a clone of anyone ha...........ever notice the similarity of a certain sissy alter ego, always like to use choice words like liars and lies, when the biggest liar of course is you know who
perception is reality see, you are a stupid idiot and hasene cleary asked 24/7 "Happinfo is a clone of yours." and yet you can say "nobody ever said you are a clone of anyone ha"?
proven you are an idiot and liar once again
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Hell mean hell lah.
Where got etermal hell one.
Just like heaven mean heaven.
Where got eternal heaven one.
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Originally posted by hasene:
Come clean with it, admit to me you are here with intention to flame and bash me. YOU are dumb bloody stupid to jump into conclusion without even bother to check the thread I posted from Taoism and accused me. Read the link below, it is Taoism that said he is a buddhist. From the way he posts we who are sensible and not stupid know he is a christian pretending to be a buddhist. Read the link before you bark at the wrong tree:
http://sgforums.com/forums/8/topics/403412
So what you spoke about the 13 units, I did not beg you to say anything for me. So what if I am a buddhist, and so what if I am a free thinker, and so what if I am a muslim?????? I am not a christian so does it mean you will want to kill me? Troll!
Since you used this on me "
here we have it .... buddhist denying they are buddhist.... why? KNN!"
I am giving you back, telling you you are KNN! barking at the wrong tree, still not happy come and kill me.
yes, come clean with it...you have twisted facts about 13 units and still running away like a chicken....coward like rooney9 and seems liek both of you are one.....anyway.
no, you did not ask me to say anything for you and i can't because it is so obvious that you are wrong!
you mis-interpret sph article or twisted facts with evil intend.....but never admit despite given all sorts of proof. this is what a sissy is about.....you!
no problem if you are not a christians (thanks God) and even if you are anti-christian (which you are are).....no body wants to kill you......
no i am not going to evade and troll like you do.....
unlike you who twisted facts, i did jump into conclusion but not with any intention (unlike you and you sissy rooney clone gang).
for that, i happyinfo2 apologised to you unreservedly - i am sorry for jumping into conclusion as i did not read it twice.
and i clarify now that you did not deny being a buddhist.
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Originally posted by Rooney9:
this fellow talks exactly the same with a certain someone here. I know, you know who that alter ego is
both their barks are really nothing, they
are just barks that frighten kids and infants only.yes, kids are here for their ego and barking about nothing......like "some goong says don't belive go to hell....i don't believe and bla...bla...bla.." don't believe then why waste them barking about them?
it's because they are biger goong and do feel like "frighten kids and infants only." and that's why must bark and bark and hoping other dogs will join them to clam them of their insecurity.
you rooney is a big liar and moron. period.
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Originally posted by hasene:
From Happyinfo2's post to me accusing me is like as if if one is not a christian,. one will subject himself or herself for bashing, attacking and flaming by evil christians.Evil one indeed! Somemore scold KNN , now I scold him KNN!
Today is Sunday, all evil christians (excluding nice, kind, spiritually mature and peaceloving christians) attend church service to worship God. AFter Sunday service go off to attack non christians. This we called them Sunday Christians.
this is a false accusation of yours and see now who is attacking who?
evil indeed ! you scold cnn and i return your compliments with knn. so?
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Believe or not believe, up to individual lah.
Writing so big and chim words, also make more pple confusing.
Stick to your heart, if you believe it, then it is true.
If you dont, then it is false.
In that way, pple will be happy to be with each other and will have no more attacking on each other.
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to likeyou:
heaven and hell is not as simple as u defined. the reason why the word 'eternal' is needed is cos some ppl believe in temporal heaven and hell...buddhism is one of such religions...so simply using the words 'hell' and 'heaven' are not enuff...
if we kept everything simple like wad u said...there will be disagreements and misunderstandings cos ppl have diff definitions for terms/words...unless 2 or more can agree/compromise on the same definition/premise, there can be no constructive discussion/argument...
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That is the belief system of those who believe in the bible. To tell you otherwise would be a lie.
It should be noted very clearly that we do not tell or say this to you wishing you would go there. If anything, we don't wish for you or anyone else to go there.
However, if you do not believe in the heaven and hell stated in the bible, then what is it to you?
In any case, there is more to Christianity than heaven and hell. I just hope you open up your mind and experiences to it.
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Originally posted by laurence82:
remind me of somebodyinsg when he got caught as clone of david
he denied it even when whole forum censure him for doing so
seems clone/troll masters come from members of particular faith, dont you think?
Wow, you are really dragging this David thing aren't you?
Again my suggestion to you if you are truly about truth, why not you go back to your fellow p-members and ask them if they really think I am David. No need to post the replies here, but if you yourself knowing that I am not David yet continue to do this, then it says a lot about you really.
In any case, my being David has or not has no relevance here, and I can tell you in honest truth this other guy is not me either. In fact, as of this post I still do not know yet who is this other person you mention but I guess I would know later.
And Laurence, even if you don't ask your fellow p-members now, I already know for sure that you are aware I and David are not the same person. I just wish to further point out on top of it not being true that it has nothing to do with the posts in EH.
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Originally posted by hasene:
I am talking about Happyinfo2. Do you think he is SomebodyinSG? He sounds like SomebodyinSG.Do you think he is?