Dun believe then go eternal hell?
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got leh
historical scandals lar
not ur paris hilton or ben afleck kind
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I see EH ratings going up?
*smells the air...aaaaaaaaaaaah*
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Originally posted by TTFU:
I was wondering, like the 90.5 fm thread. Since music can be related to god, so is there anything that cant be linked ? Anyway its just a question, there are not much christians here willing to go every thread and answer questions
do you not think maybe, just maybe its because most doesnt know the answer?
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Originally posted by dragg:
i think its time you people end the argument.
the more you argue the more you will noticed a lot cant be explained.
appreciate the suggestion, especially if it's out of sincerity and goodwill. A forum is a medium where ideas can be discussed with civility. Unfortunately, there will usually be trolls who are out to ambush the discussion, usually by making unnecessary, unjustified assertions and in some cases, unrelated suggestions. Don't think i'll relent from attempting civil discussions, the trolls cant strut their stuff, doesn't faze me.
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Originally posted by despondent:
anyone noes wad he is blabbering? well, i do...oh man, so i am nonsense like him? ok...i will accept that...
you're too nice.
you don't have to pander to him or even respond to his foolish assertions. Still waiting for rooney9 to validate his otherwise bare assertions to identify my crap and bullshit from an earlier post.
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Originally posted by TTFU:
About morals- Yes, this world dont comprise of only one culture. What you said may not be wrong Moral relativism. But now we generally follow a universal set of morals regardless of culture, people. Moral universalism.Thats why holocaust/suicide bombing is deemed to be wrong. I personally support Moral universalism also.
Re evolution - I need to read up more about this before i can reply you.
moral universalism doesn't answer the question. it just expands the playing field a bit bigger than moral relativism. the question remains, what is the atheist's rational warrant for calling one choice "moral" and another choice "not moral"? because these people said it? does that mean morality becomes an issue of numbers or rather, political influence (history is dictated by the victors, in this case, pax Americana) a practice of enforcing one's cultural imperative? smells of hegemonic colonialism. if Germany had won WWII, would that mean it would be right to practise systematic racial extermination?
before moral universalism came on the scene, then how can one rationally claim that evil existed? i mean, if morality hasn't been properly agreed upon till moral universalism entered the picture, how should we deal with those people whose moral judgments differed from ours?
Lastly, the notion of morality that moral univ promotes, can only concern itself with what is. But morality as understood by Christianity, is concerned with ought. Can anyone derive ought from is?
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Originally posted by TTFU:
I was wondering, like the 90.5 fm thread. Since music can be related to god, so is there anything that cant be linked ? Anyway its just a question, there are not much christians here willing to go every thread and answer questions
most of the posts arguably made by troublemakers.
i'm only interested in questions posed by sincere folks. can't be bothered to read too much of the trolls.
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Originally posted by 24/7:
most of the posts arguably made by troublemakers.
i'm only interested in questions posed by sincere folks. can't be bothered to read too much of the trolls.
likewise, u think anyone is interested in reading your boring and nonsensical comments of yours lol, smart alec. dun try to be smart when you are not. -
Originally posted by Rooney9:
likewise, u think anyone is interested in reading your boring and nonsensical comments of yours lol, smart alec. dun try to be smart when you are not.YOu are right , Rooney9. That is the reason why I ignore this troublemaker's posts on attack to me. He and the dukedracula spamming posts for ongoing attack. Will you believe if someone is so fast to be defensive over christianity and christian and tell you he is not a christian. No non christians will be so enthusiastic to defend christianity, christians. Liar.
I have been in church in the past and mixing around with Christians for this I can tell who are the nasty and pleasant christians.
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i alredi said...i am the dumbo who enjoy reading his seemingly boring and nonsensical comments...
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Originally posted by Rooney9:
likewise, u think anyone is interested in reading your boring and nonsensical comments of yours lol, smart alec. dun try to be smart when you are not.seems he is saying you are sincere, since he keep responding to your questions
i wonder if he is referring to his fellow mates as trolls
woooh
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I thought we are all trolls no ?
=D
Thats why we hang here together.. every once a while.
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Originally posted by Rooney9:
likewise, u think anyone is interested in reading your boring and nonsensical comments of yours lol, smart alec. dun try to be smart when you are not.dun try to be smart when you are not.
i agree with you.
which is why you shouldn't act smart by asserting that my post is "crap and bullshit" and when called upon to identify them, run away like a sook and hide.
grow up.
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Originally posted by hasene:
YOu are right , Rooney9. That is the reason why I ignore this troublemaker's posts on attack to me. He and the dukedracula spamming posts for ongoing attack. Will you believe if someone is so fast to be defensive over christianity and christian and tell you he is not a christian. No non christians will be so enthusiastic to defend christianity, christians. Liar.
I have been in church in the past and mixing around with Christians for this I can tell who are the nasty and pleasant christians.
you might want to think twice before associating yourself with rooney9 after all, he has sold all non believers out by declaring that he has never seen a logical and coherent response from them. Does the term "friendly fire" ring a bell? fratricide?
Just a note of caution, thats all. Don't take it as attacking you again!
No non christians will be so enthusiastic to defend christianity, christians.
PLUS i do disagree with you on this account. Because non christians are able to do the right thing, make the ethically moral decision. If something is wrong, they're able to stand up and defend the innocent.
Which makes me wonder why you seem to be dead set on pitting non Christians against Christians, hmm...
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Originally posted by 24/7:
you might want to think twice before associating yourself with rooney9 after all, he has sold all non believers out by declaring that he has never seen a logical and coherent response from them. Does the term "friendly fire" ring a bell? fratricide?
Just a note of caution, thats all. Don't take it as attacking you again!
PLUS i do disagree with you on this account. Because non christians are able to do the right thing, make the ethically moral decision. If something is wrong, they're able to stand up and defend the innocent.
Which makes me wonder why you seem to be dead set on pitting non Christians against Christians, hmm...
<< Matthew 7:5 >>
New International Version (©1984)
You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.New Living Translation (©2007)
Hypocrite! First get rid of the log in your own eye; then you will see well enough to deal with the speck in your friend's eye.English Standard Version (©2001)
You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye.New American Standard Bible (©1995)
"You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.International Standard Version (©2008)
You hypocrite! First remove the beam from your own eye, and then you will see clearly enough to remove the speck from your brother's eye."GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
You hypocrite! First remove the beam from your own eye. Then you will see clearly to remove the piece of sawdust from another believer's eye.King James Bible
Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.American King James Version
You hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of your own eye; and then shall you see clearly to cast out the mote out of your brother's eye.American Standard Version
Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.Bible in Basic English
You false one, first take out the bit of wood from your eye, then will you see clearly to take out the grain of dust from your brother's eye.Douay-Rheims Bible
Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam in thy own eye, and then shalt thou see to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.Darby Bible Translation
Hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine eye, and then thou wilt see clearly to cast out the mote out of the eye of thy brother.English Revised Version
Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.Webster's Bible Translation
Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thy own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.Weymouth New Testament
Hypocrite, first take the beam out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly how to remove the splinter from your brother's eye.World English Bible
You hypocrite! First remove the beam out of your own eye, and then you can see clearly to remove the speck out of your brother's eye.Young's Literal Translation
Hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye, and then thou shalt see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.YOu have already the motivate of attacking non christians so whatever the non christians say are very displeasing and offensive to you. What good is there for you to post and get response when your mind is set up to attack us?????
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Originally posted by 24/7:
i agree with you.
which is why you shouldn't act smart by asserting that my post is "crap and bullshit" and when called upon to identify them, run away like a sook and hide.
grow up.
this is the trait of this idiot Rooney9 and months ago, I already exposed him as a big mouth and habitual liar who go round making wild allegations but can NEVER back it up when challenged.
He just go into coward mode and start trolling, changing subject and evading like how he do now.....
and he will never grow up as he has a brian size smaller than a pea.
If you are waiting for him to point out your "crap and bullshit" as he claimed, forget it. He can NEVER do so because he is just a big mouth and habitual liar who go round making wild allegations but can NEVER back it up when challenged.
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Originally posted by Happyinfo2:
this is the trait of this idiot Rooney9 and months ago, I already exposed him as a big mouth and habitual liar who go round making wild allegations but can NEVER back it up when challenged.
He just go into coward mode and start trolling, changing subject and evading like how he do now.....
and he will never grow up as he has a brian size smaller than a pea.
If you are waiting for him to point out your "crap and bullshit" as he claimed, forget it. He can NEVER do so because he is just a big mouth and habitual liar who go round making wild allegations but can NEVER back it up when challenged.
thanks for the tip.
to be sure, i never expected him to be able to substantiate his assertions. But it's just a pity there are others who have joined him to wallow in mud.
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Originally posted by hasene: New
International Version (©1984)
You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.New Living Translation (©2007)
Hypocrite! First get rid of the log in your own eye; then you will see well enough to deal with the speck in your friend's eye.English Standard Version (©2001)
You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye.New American Standard Bible (©1995)
"You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.International Standard Version (©2008)
You hypocrite! First remove the beam from your own eye, and then you will see clearly enough to remove the speck from your brother's eye."GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
You hypocrite! First remove the beam from your own eye. Then you will see clearly to remove the piece of sawdust from another believer's eye.King James Bible
Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.American King James Version
You hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of your own eye; and then shall you see clearly to cast out the mote out of your brother's eye.American Standard Version
Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.Bible in Basic English
You false one, first take out the bit of wood from your eye, then will you see clearly to take out the grain of dust from your brother's eye.Douay-Rheims Bible
Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam in thy own eye, and then shalt thou see to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.Darby Bible Translation
Hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine eye, and then thou wilt see clearly to cast out the mote out of the eye of thy brother.English Revised Version
Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.Webster's Bible Translation
Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thy own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.Weymouth New Testament
Hypocrite, first take the beam out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly how to remove the splinter from your brother's eye.World English Bible
You hypocrite! First remove the beam out of your own eye, and then you can see clearly to remove the speck out of your brother's eye.Young's Literal Translation
Hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye, and then thou shalt see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.YOu have already the motivate of attacking non christians so whatever the non christians say are very displeasing and offensive to you. What good is there for you to post and get response when your mind is set up to attack us?????
hasense, i really have to disagree with u.
Where do u detect my motivation in attacking u in my posts to u? could u point them out to me? as far as i know, i try to conduct civil discussions with other forumers but is not met in kind and instead have to contend with troublemakers like lawrence82 and rooney9.
so i'll still hold out my offer to u. Point out where i am wrong in asking u to withdraw your statement about KH and wife owning 13 condo units.
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Originally posted by 24/7:
hasense, i really have to disagree with u.
Where do u detect my motivation in attacking u in my posts to u? could u point them out to me? as far as i know, i try to conduct civil discussions with other forumers but is not met in kind and instead have to contend with troublemakers like lawrence82 and rooney9.
so i'll still hold out my offer to u. Point out where i am wrong in asking u to withdraw your statement about KH and wife owning 13 condo units.
From the way you behave you think I will believe you,no way. No need try to bait to get me to fall into your trap afterwhich start another new attack on me.As for the article on 13 units, you can jolly well approached SPH for it. Being an easy target so you started your prey on me use me as a victim to satisfy your ego. I accept no nuisance. If you are so unhappy about the SpH article on kong hee, go bring SPH to court. I believe you dare not, you only dare attack me. hahahahha! Mature sensible christian will not behave such.
Frankly, those mature sensible christians i meet don;'t behave like you and Badzmaro. So don't think you can fool me to give you chance to victimize me to please your ego. I can tell if christians are doing things to please themselves or God.
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Originally posted by 24/7:
you might want to think twice before associating yourself with rooney9 after all, he has sold all non believers out by declaring that he has never seen a logical and coherent response from them. Does the term "friendly fire" ring a bell? fratricide?
Did your god tell you to sow discord?
Proverbs 6:19 ESV / 4 helpful votes
A false witness who breathes out lies, and one who sows discord among brothers.
Sowing Discord
Proverbs 6:16-19 ESV / 14 helpful votes
There are six things that the Lord hates, seven that are an abomination to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil, a false witness who breathes out lies, and one who sows discord among brothers.
Romans 16:17-18 ESV / 5 helpful votes
I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them. For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive.
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Originally posted by hasene:
From the way you behave you think I will believe you,no way. No need try to bait to get me to fall into your trap afterwhich start another new attack on me.As for the article on 13 units, you can jolly well approached SPH for it. Being an easy target so you started your prey on me use me as a victim to satisfy your ego. I accept no nuisance. If you are so unhappy about the SpH article on kong hee, go bring SPH to court. I believe you dare not, you only dare attack me. hahahahha! Mature sensible christian will not behave such.
Frankly, those mature sensible christians i meet don;'t behave like you and Badzmaro. So don't think you can fool me to give you chance to victimize me to please your ego. I can tell if christians are doing things to please themselves or God.
hmm i don't think i've contended with you the way i've done so with the other 2 troublemakers, which makes me wonder why you think i've "attacked" you at all?
I did clearly state that I "implore" you to withdraw your statement. You do know the meaning of implore right?
Have it your way then. Your insecurities (if you think you're easy target or if anyone's trying to bait you) won't be helping you gain much enlightenment.
About SPH, i've stated my point very clear, it seems it still falls on deaf ears or in this case, on blind eyes. The SPH article is sound, i've already demonstrated how your interpretation is flawed. You just want to make it read the way you want to.
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Originally posted by hasene:
From the way you behave you think I will believe you,no way. No need try to bait to get me to fall into your trap afterwhich start another new attack on me.As for the article on 13 units, you can jolly well approached SPH for it. Being an easy target so you started your prey on me use me as a victim to satisfy your ego. I accept no nuisance. If you are so unhappy about the SpH article on kong hee, go bring SPH to court. I believe you dare not, you only dare attack me. hahahahha! Mature sensible christian will not behave such.
Frankly, those mature sensible christians i meet don;'t behave like you and Badzmaro. So don't think you can fool me to give you chance to victimize me to please your ego. I can tell if christians are doing things to please themselves or God.
Nutshell personality in actions again.
Dont fake it so bad that its kinda obvios that u are the ultimate fake ass here.
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Originally posted by 24/7:
hmm i don't think i've contended with you the way i've done so with the other 2 troublemakers, which makes me wonder why you think i've "attacked" you at all?
I did clearly state that I "implore" you to withdraw your statement. You do know the meaning of implore right?
Have it your way then. Your insecurities (if you think you're easy target or if anyone's trying to bait you) won't be helping you gain much enlightenment.
About SPH, i've stated my point very clear, it seems it still falls on deaf ears or in this case, on blind eyes. The SPH article is sound, i've already demonstrated how your interpretation is flawed. You just want to make it read the way you want to.
I don't need to tell long story on how you started your attack on me on that SPH article. There is underlying reason why you intentionally picked on me on this article. you have attacked me on the article so don't deny you have not attacked me. God knows.
Enough said, please approach SPH if you are still not happy and no need to conveniently pick on me to attack me when what you read in the article does not please you.
I am in no way giving you any chance for any further attack which I want to say that in the first place by posting that article I did not mean to hurt you or displease you.
Did God not tell you to love the people, to be peaceloving, to love your enemy? I am only for peaceloving, mature spiritually, sensible kind christians. All other nasty evil christians I have no respect especially those who intentionally find fault with no ground, no good reason.
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Originally posted by 24/7:
thanks for the tip.
to be sure, i never expected him to be able to substantiate his assertions. But it's just a pity there are others who have joined him to wallow in mud.
no problem. you already know and can tell who are the non-believers and who are the anti-christians. the problem is that the handful of anti-christians like to hide under the cover as non-believers (sheep in wolf's skin?) and create impression that christians are "attacking them" but it is not the case......they have no guts to stand up and be counted as anti-christians.
they typically joined hands and help each other out when they find that their argument is flawed and unsupportable.....they lies, change subject, become abusive and troll their way out.....and it happened over and over again...so they never have to face the truth that they lie....
they need to bash because they are so insecure...
i take pity on you on this condos thingy......it is clear that the problem does not lie with sph or anybody. it has nothing to do with if kong hee and sun ho or chc etc... it is about being accurate....did they own 13 units?
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Originally posted by hasene:
I don't need to tell long story on how you started your attack on me on that SPH article. There is underlying reason why you intentionally picked on me on this article. you have attacked me on the article so don't deny you have not attacked me. God knows.
Enough said, please approach SPH if you are still not happy and no need to conveniently pick on me to attack me when what you read in the article does not please you.
I am in no way giving you any chance for any further attack which I want to say that in the first place by posting that article I did not mean to hurt you or displease you.
Did God not tell you to love the people, to be peaceloving, to love your enemy? I am only for peaceloving, mature spiritually, sensible kind christians. All other nasty evil christians I have no respect especially those who intentionally find fault with no ground, no good reason.
I think you are mistaken. They did not pick on you or attack you because you post the article...it's all over the media.
They just want to clarify that kong and ho did not own 13 units as you claimed but 13 units was the total own by a group of people that include kong and ho.
So in the spirit of peaceloving, be mature and see their point. if you insist that kong and ho owned 13 units, then so be it but state your stand and explained your stand.
They have stated theirs and explained why they says so.....so you should have your say too right?
Hope to read your stand on this....I.E. how many units do you think kong & ho woned and explain how you come to that conclusion now that you have been given explanation why you may have mistaken.
No need to approach SPH because it has nothing to do with them....and it was not their answer that they are seeking.....it is your answer.