Dun believe then go eternal hell?
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24/7 and despondent,
please meet each other and discuss over coffee.
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Originally posted by dragg:
24/7 and despondent,
please meet each other and discuss over coffee.
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Morals are based within local areas, within tribal groups, within countries, within races, and within religions, not conscience. Morals may also change, its not fixed
I think most atheists are arguing against the assertions that religions make. When you die, you go to X. X loves/hates you and is/maybe is your deity. You need to follow these rules or something bad will happen
And as for the theory of evolutio, there are thousands of intermediate species found and many more being found every year. There are outstanding amounts of evidence supporting Evolution ?
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And lol, go to this thread and answer some questions there...
Should Christians listen to Gold90.5FM?
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Originally posted by TTFU:
Morals are based within local areas, within tribal groups, within countries, within races, and within religions, not conscience. Morals may also change, its not fixed
I think most atheists are arguing against the assertions that religions make. When you die, you go to X. X loves/hates you and is/maybe is your deity. You need to follow these rules or something bad will happen
And as for the theory of evolutio, there are thousands of intermediate species found and many more being found every year. There are outstanding amounts of evidence supporting Evolution ?
if morals change change and are as what you said, based within local areas, how can anyone say that the Holocaust was wrong, after all it was merely the expression of Nazi Germany's moral tastes? Secondly, are u then suggesting that there might come a time when child abuse, rape and murder will be considered morally acceptable? Thirdly, if as u claimed, morals are based within tribal groups, wouldn't suicide bombing be considered not morally wrong since it's called for within a small sect of religious zealots? What then is our right or grounds to condemn such actions?
Re arguments made by most atheists - if that's true, it's really an a priori rejection based on their personal preferences / desires rather than one arrived at through reasoning and intellectual engagement. although i hesitate to generalize as there are those with a real reasonable case, rather than a personal vendetta.
Re evolution, i never claimed evolution to be false. My question was, "What evidence would convince you that evolution is false? If no such evidence exists, or indeed could exist, how can evolution be a testable scientific theory?"
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Originally posted by dragg:
24/7 and despondent,
please meet each other and discuss over coffee.
yeah... well, i also wish for stray dogs to stop barking, trolls to stop bashing, (certain) atheists to stop skirting questions and make more sense, forumers to start engaging in civil discussions, ranters to cease their tirades already as they're becoming very predictable (they know who they are), people to stop making meaningless one liners... but guess what? not gonna happen.
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Originally posted by despondent:
seems like its juz u and i left in this thead...kinda expected...haha...
anyway, the point i have been trying to make all these while is 1) tat one cannot view christianity from the eyes of buddhism, 2) the teachings of good works does not have its roots in heaven and hell but rather nirvana which is heaven somewhat but its a metaphorical heaven rather than an actual one that exist as a place, 3) salvation by grace and salvation by good works are 2 very diff teachings...although they are not mutually exclusive, they are very diff....in christianity, we have grace and good works but one refers to salvation the other refers to the aftermath of salvation...
1) buddhism is a non theistic philosophy. it would be like comparing apples and oranges.
2) disagree on nirvana being somewhat heaven. in heaven, we maintain our sense of self and desire, except that the object of our desire will be with us perpetually.
3) agreed.
anyway laws of nature do not prescribe any moral standards to us. Moral standards need to be grounded in something transcendent, otherwise it's impossible for us to claim that anything is morally wrong or right.
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Originally posted by 24/7:
if morals change change and are as what you said, based within local areas, how can anyone say that the Holocaust was wrong, after all it was merely the expression of Nazi Germany's moral tastes? Secondly, are u then suggesting that there might come a time when child abuse, rape and murder will be considered morally acceptable? Thirdly, if as u claimed, morals are based within tribal groups, wouldn't suicide bombing be considered not morally wrong since it's called for within a small sect of religious zealots? What then is our right or grounds to condemn such actions?
Re arguments made by most atheists - if that's true, it's really an a priori rejection based on their personal preferences / desires rather than one arrived at through reasoning and intellectual engagement. although i hesitate to generalize as there are those with a real reasonable case, rather than a personal vendetta.
Re evolution, i never claimed evolution to be false. My question was, "What evidence would convince you that evolution is false? If no such evidence exists, or indeed could exist, how can evolution be a testable scientific theory?"
I cant believe what I am reading. so much for so much crap and bullshit!!!. its nice to talk abstract here, but you have no clue of what you are talking about. anyone know what he is blabbering on, anyone?
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Originally posted by Rooney9:
I cant believe what I am reading. so much for so much crap and bullshit!!!. its nice to talk abstract here, but you have no clue of what you are talking about. anyone know what he is blabbering on, anyone?
why don't you show everyone here HOW is it i have no clue of what i'm talking about and that it's crap and bullshit, instead of plainly asserting (repeatedly) like a psychopath.
of course you do realize that not being able to understand what i'm writing could very well just demonstrate your under-functioning & sub-normal cognitive abilities.
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Originally posted by 24/7:
why don't you show everyone here HOW is it i have no clue of what i'm talking about and that it's crap and bullshit, instead of plainly asserting (repeatedly) like a psychopath.
of course you do realize that not being able to understand what i'm writing could very well just demonstrate your under-functioning & sub-normal cognitive abilities.
go read what you have typed, whether it made any sense if at all. gracious me
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Originally posted by Rooney9:
go read what you have typed, whether it made any sense if at all. gracious me
good riddance its quality, not quantity.trying hard not to state the obvious here, but if it doesn't make sense to me, why would i post it? cannot say the same about u though...
so again, why don't you wow all of us with your incredible ability to spot the crap and bullshit by pointing it out? otherwise, you're just making incredulous assertions again.
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i think its time you people end the argument.
the more you argue the more you will noticed a lot cant be explained.
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anyone noes wad he is blabbering? well, i do...oh man, so i am nonsense like him? ok...i will accept that...
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Originally posted by 24/7:
if morals change change and are as what you said, based within local areas, how can anyone say that the Holocaust was wrong, after all it was merely the expression of Nazi Germany's moral tastes? Secondly, are u then suggesting that there might come a time when child abuse, rape and murder will be considered morally acceptable? Thirdly, if as u claimed, morals are based within tribal groups, wouldn't suicide bombing be considered not morally wrong since it's called for within a small sect of religious zealots? What then is our right or grounds to condemn such actions?
Re arguments made by most atheists - if that's true, it's really an a priori rejection based on their personal preferences / desires rather than one arrived at through reasoning and intellectual engagement. although i hesitate to generalize as there are those with a real reasonable case, rather than a personal vendetta.
Re evolution, i never claimed evolution to be false. My question was, "What evidence would convince you that evolution is false? If no such evidence exists, or indeed could exist, how can evolution be a testable scientific theory?"
About morals- Yes, this world dont comprise of only one culture. What you said may not be wrong Moral relativism. But now we generally follow a universal set of morals regardless of culture, people. Moral universalism.Thats why holocaust/suicide bombing is deemed to be wrong. I personally support Moral universalism also.
Re evolution - I need to read up more about this before i can reply you.
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however, the ides of salvation by good works is usually teaching abt the individual judging for themselves if wad they did is rite/wrong...remember, its the individual's own judgement, not the judgements of the ppl around...
base on this, terrorisdm may be condemned by many of us but since its up to the individual's judgement, i am afraid the terrorists themselves dun believe they have done wrong...so base on their judgement of the ir own deeds, wouldnt they be in heaven?
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Once again about assertions. Like the other threads i'll copy and paste, bible got say cannot listen to 90.5, What has secular music got to do with offending god or not offending god ?
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see? whether it offend God or not is subjective...u may not tink it does but others tink differently...so have they done good or bad by listening to Gold 90.5? onli God has the answer. so we will see ppl from both sides in heaven since both sides feel they are not wrong?
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Originally posted by despondent:
see? whether it offend God or not is subjective...u may not tink it does but others tink differently...so have they done good or bad by listening to Gold 90.5? onli God has the answer. so we will see ppl from both sides in heaven since both sides feel they are not wrong?
True, whats your personal views to that ?
Lets take another example, like closing the door might offend god, dropping my one dollar coin might offend god, sneezing might offend god,is there any issue that cant be linked to god ? or is it just humans.
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ok...certain things can be linked to humans...christianity teaches that there are 3 possible ''voices'' guiding ur life...1) God's ''voice'', 2) Satan's ''voice'', 3) your own ''voice''...so yes, i agree not everything is linked to God...
my own view is simple...those who accepted christ as saviour and do their best to sin less after that will go heaven...the analogy above is based on good works...so not connected to salvation by grace....its a qn i am asking those who believe in salvation by good works...christians would have a definite answer, which is both groups of ppl wun go heaven cos all have fallen short of God's standard...unless they have accepted Christ as personal saviour...tat is the christian stand...again, u can disagree wif it...
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you are entitled to your own beliefs, and so do other faiths
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Originally posted by despondent:
ok...certain things can be linked to humans...christianity teaches that there are 3 possible ''voices'' guiding ur life...1) God's ''voice'', 2) Satan's ''voice'', 3) your own ''voice''...so yes, i agree not everything is linked to God...
my own view is simple...those who accepted christ as saviour and do their best to sin less after that will go heaven...the analogy above is based on good works...so not connected to salvation by grace....its a qn i am asking those who believe in salvation by good works...christians would have a definite answer, which is both groups of ppl wun go heaven cos all have fallen short of God's standard...unless they have accepted Christ as personal saviour...tat is the christian stand...again, u can disagree wif it...
I was wondering, like the 90.5 fm thread. Since music can be related to god, so is there anything that cant be linked ? Anyway its just a question, there are not much christians here willing to go every thread and answer questions
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i have always been willing to answer and i trust some of the christians are willing as well...the reason why so few are left to answer is cos when they answer, ppl flame them...tats y for myself, i am selective in who to answer and wad to answer...some answers i reserve them for PM onli...
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the same can be said for non christians who are willing to respond in kind
but they got called cretins, insulted, a easy target for christian trolls who were conveniently ignored by their mates...
what can i say
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i rmb last time i watch discovery channel. they say the bible have been edit alot of times by man. and jesus have scandal. and alot shameful things he done or said.
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Originally posted by LaMutha:
i rmb last time i watch discovery channel. they say the bible have been edit alot of times by man. and jesus have scandal. and alot shameful things he done or said.
Discovery Channel talks about scandal?
