Church to co-own Suntec
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good idea leh.............start an investment company and have both church and mosque arms...............hoohoo...........can you imagine the money involved...............
then hand the money over to the jews and let them run a gigantic ponzi game and spread to M'sia, etc etc some more................don't say Suntec City lah.................S'pore also can buy ah...............
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Originally posted by SomebodyInSG:
For anyone posting or making comments here, whatever faith or non-faith you may be.
Ask yourself this, are you really doing it to share and for the discussion itself? Or are you just all about the arguement itself.
To some people here more specifically and you know who you are. You try to make it seem as if you are being wronged or bullied, when your words and questions are more aimed to provoke more than anything. It's even worse when you know you can phrase things differently, yet you phrase it deliberately to provoke, to anger, to incite ill-feeling. Yet you go about accussing others of being trolls. The irony and hypocrysy of it all.
Theological debate here is moot in any case, because ultimately everybody here ends up in the same state of belief or non-belief. In any case, so often the debate goes haywire because of people who are all about the arguement and conflict rather than really trying to exchange ideas and understand the other. It's not just in this forum, it's in the whole of sgforums.
Ask yourself as well, are you just carrying out your own perverted and warped sense of 'justice'? Are you just ranting or are you truly trying to make a point and to tell the person something. Provoking thought is one thing, provoking ill-feeling is another.
You know yourself the intention of your posts, is it really to share and to communicate or is something more sinister that you mask with illusions of 'justice' or 'righteousness'.
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Its one thing to be Christian, its another to be anti-non-christian
do you have problem with all non christians? when will this persecution end?
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Originally posted by laurence82:
Its one thing to be Christian, its another to be anti-non-christian
do you have problem with all non christians? when will this persecution end?
I think it's very obvious I do not have a problem with non-Christians in itself.
Also, I don't think what you are going through now can hardly be called persecution. I think it's not fair to those other people who are really getting persecuted. And I am not referring to just members of a particular faith or non-faith.
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I like to point out that the concept of god is created by mankind. there are a lot of inconsistencies and paradoxes with the concept of god itself.
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I have said some things before as well about some of the things regarding the main topic of the this thread. But don't really feel like going into it now and at least not tonight.
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Originally posted by Rooney9:
I like to point out that the concept of god is created by mankind. there are a lot of inconsistencies and paradoxes with the concept of god itself.
just as people make a chair or table, people think someone must have created them as well..............
also becoz people think time is linear................as in there must be a beginning and an end...............but scientists even like Einstein said time itself is an illusion...............
people crave an eternal existence so they want to believe in an after-life................in a better place of course, so they created the idea of heaven as a solution..................they can't accept their few decades of existence is insignificant due to their ego................
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You need a calm and collected mind to think about it really. Stop being trapped by your belief system and think about it. faith is a good thing, but too much of it tend to blind you from seeing reality. reality or the truth is much more than god, heaven and hell and satan.
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Why is City Harvest Church founded by Senior Pastor Kong Hee questioned by the authorities?
It might be Senior Pastor Kong Hee of City Harvest Church is preaching against under Grace as cheap which is contrary to the Bible.
Kong Hee of City Harvest Church has brought heavy baseless judgements upon others condemning them as Cheap Grace Preachers.
Pastor Kong Hee of City Harvest Church preaches that there needs to be a balance to be under Law as well as under Grace. Now Pastor Kong Hee of City Harvest Church should know that the strength of sin is the Law and not Grace which Kong Hee of City Harvest Church judges as cheap.
City Harvest Church is under the mixture of Law and Grace preached by Pastor Kong Hee of City Harvest Church who judges and attacks Grace preachers as cheap. Kong Hee's pride of openly judging and attacking against the preaching of the True Gospel of Pure Grace might have resulted in City Harvest Church's own predicaments.
Pastor Kong Hee of City Harvest Church who judges openly and rejects Grace as being cheap might have led City Harvest Church to have fallen away from Grace.
The Bible says, "You who are trying to be justified by Law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from Grace." Galatians 5:4
A piece of Gracious advice to Pastor Kong Hee of City Harvest Church that they need the True Gospel of the Radical Grace of God in Christ Jesus to pick themselves up radically and move on in their walk radically with their Lord Jesus Christ again. True Grace is no longer cheap to City Harvest Church now as well as before. Pure Grace will swallow up all of City Harvest Church's sins first and then empower City Harvest Church to go and sin no more.
The Bible says,"Who shall bring a charge against God's elect? It is God who justifies." Roman 8:33
The Bible also says, "For if by the one man's offense death reigned through the one, much more those who receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ." Romans 5:17
Pastor Kong Hee of City Harvest Church, please repent and don't condemn others using the names of Cheap Grace Preachers for Jesus' sake. Pastor Kong Hee of City Harvest Church, please don't judge others first and you shall not be judged as well. Romans 8:1 says, "There is therefore NOW no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus..."
Matthew 7:1
"Judge not, that you be not judged. For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you." ...
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Originally posted by Notjudge:
Why is City Harvest Church founded by Senior Pastor Kong Hee questioned by the authorities?
It might be Senior Pastor Kong Hee of City Harvest Church is preaching against under Grace as cheap which is contrary to the Bible.
Kong Hee of City Harvest Church has brought heavy baseless judgements upon others condemning them as Cheap Grace Preachers.
Pastor Kong Hee of City Harvest Church preaches that there needs to be a balance to be under Law as well as under Grace. Now Pastor Kong Hee of City Harvest Church should know that the strength of sin is the Law and not Grace which Kong Hee of City Harvest Church judges as cheap.
City Harvest Church is under the mixture of Law and Grace preached by Pastor Kong Hee of City Harvest Church who judges and attacks Grace preachers as cheap. Kong Hee's pride of openly judging and attacking against the preaching of the True Gospel of Pure Grace might have resulted in City Harvest Church's own predicaments.
Pastor Kong Hee of City Harvest Church who judges openly and rejects Grace as being cheap might have led City Harvest Church to have fallen away from Grace.
The Bible says, "You who are trying to be justified by Law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from Grace." Galatians 5:4
A piece of Gracious advice to Pastor Kong Hee of City Harvest Church that they need the True Gospel of the Radical Grace of God in Christ Jesus to pick themselves up radically and move on in their walk radically with their Lord Jesus Christ again. True Grace is no longer cheap to City Harvest Church now as well as before. Pure Grace will swallow up all of City Harvest Church's sins first and then empower City Harvest Church to go and sin no more.
The Bible says,"Who shall bring a charge against God's elect? It is God who justifies." Roman 8:33
The Bible also says, "For if by the one man's offense death reigned through the one, much more those who receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ." Romans 5:17
Pastor Kong Hee of City Harvest Church, please repent and don't condemn others using the names of Cheap Grace Preachers for Jesus' sake. Pastor Kong Hee of City Harvest Church, please don't judge others first and you shall not be judged as well. Romans 8:1 says, "There is therefore NOW no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus..."
Matthew 7:1
"Judge not, that you be not judged. For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you." ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViLMljoba8AGood
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Another new church coming up
Bigger, Faster and better
call Noah City Church
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City Harvest Church got legal reminder from investors to keep quiet on Suntec deal
Written by Our Correspondent
City Harvest Church, which has come under intense public scrutiny lately over its purchase of a stake in Suntec, has come under pressure again, this time from its fellow investors.
Speaking during its weekend Easter services, CHC’s founder and Senior Pastor Kong Hee revealed that the church has received a lawyer’s letter from “investors in the consortium holding a majority stake in Suntec Singapore, reminding it to keep to a non-disclosure agreement in the deal,” the Straits Times reported.
He added that some investors did not appear pleased that information has been divulged to church members about the deal and it was in “breach” of its obligation of confidentiality.
CHC announced last month that it has purchased a $310 million stake in Suntec Singapore and that it would use two floors in Suntec to house a 12,000-seat auditorium for worship services and that it would be used exclusively for its services, except for about five times a year to allow for international conferences or events to be held there.
The announcement prompted queries from some Singaporeans with a flurry of letters to the Straits Times Forum questioning if CHC still deserves its tax-exempt status and if religious organizations should be involved in mega business deals like such.
It has also been questioned by the Commissioner of Charities though the findings have not been made public yet.
There were rumors in cyberspace that CHC was concealing some “embarrassing” facts from its members with some of them expressing displeasure at the lack of transparency in which the donors’ funds are being utilized.
When asked about the allegations, Pastor Kong said they were “furthest from the truth” and that CHC “had disclosed ‘all material details’ to the Commissioner of Charities and the Urban Redevelopment Authority.”
Despite using the law as a reason to impose a gag order on CHC’s purchase in Suntec, tongues are likely to continue wagging for some time to come.
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City Harvest Church responds to questions over non—disclosure of Suntec deal
Channel NewsAsia - Monday, April 5
SINGAPORE : City Harvest Church has sought to clear the air surrounding the confidentiality of its deal to co—own Suntec Singapore International Convention and Exhibition Centre.
In a two—page notice to its members on Sunday, it explained that it had signed a non—disclosure agreement.
This makes the megachurch a party to the Shareholders Agreement.
It has to keep confidential all matters and details relating to the Suntec transaction, including the share price and the percentage of shares acquired.
However, the church was entitled to, and did, disclose details of the transaction to the relevant authorities, namely the Commissioner of Charities and the Urban Redevelopment Authority.
The notice added that when the church tried to give its members some information about the transaction, other shareholders felt that doing so would be a breach of the church’s obligation of confidentiality.
On April 1, the Board of City Harvest Church received a letter from solicitors acting for various other shareholders, reminding the church of its obligations of confidentiality and the need to adhere to them.
The church has since engaged law firm Drew and Napier to review the situation and was advised that further disclosures may be regarded as an "Event of Default".
And there is a possibility that the church will be obliged to sell its shares to the non—defaulting shareholders at a substantial discount.
The church also said there is a "strong and unfounded allegation" floating online that the Management Board and Reverend Kong Hee are "deliberately concealing a number of embarrassing facts from its members".
It said the allegation is "furthest from the truth".
Turning to the sum of S$310 million which has been at the centre of much debate, the church explained that the money was spent on eight expenditure items, including the shares bought, renovation costs, and committed rentals.
The church noted that its only continuing financial liability will be the committed rental costs for the use of Suntec Convention Centre.
In the event of non—payment, creditors have a cause of action against the assets of the church, but members are not personally liable. — CNA/ms
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I await the dirt that will come out of CHC with bated breath.
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Originally posted by Rooney9:
I await the dirt that will come out of CHC with bated breath.
am apprehensive.
Question marks on this mega church.
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to the tune of ''twinkle twinkle little star''.................
Dong Kee, Dong Kee.................mega fraud..............
Sun wHOre, Sun wHOre..................horse-face slut............
scamming all those mindless goons.................
with a bullshit of a church................
now your scheme has come to light.............
where you two fucks gonna hide..................
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Originally posted by As romanista2001:
to the tune of ''twinkle twinkle little star''.................
Dong Kee, Dong Kee.................mega fraud..............
Sun wHOre, Sun wHOre..................horse-face slut............
scamming all those mindless goons.................
with a bullshit of a church................
now your scheme has come to light.............
where you two fucks gonna hide..................
Joker
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"In the event of non—payment, creditors have a cause of action against the assets of the church, but members are not personally liable." This statement will only make the members to give more in order to avoid this from happening
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Originally posted by Dark_Zero:
"In the event of non—payment, creditors have a cause of action against the assets of the church, but members are not personally liable." This statement will only make the members to give more in order to avoid this from happening
let them give and those who give, please do not complain. some of my relatives,who are in chc, give and complain of no money. sometimes i feel like telling them off but don't wish to spoil the relationship.
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buy joss sticks, buy gold paper to burn, pay church 10%, donate mosque, philanthrophy works, charity programs on tv, get medium to jump, fortune telling, get feng shui master see your house, donate to singapore pool by buying toto 4D and etc,... Bleddi hell all these involves loads of money if you calculate them properly. temples can be built above 50million bucks... Mosques now look like City Harvest Church's Jurong west building, New Creation Church owns the whole East Coast commercial properties near Macs. If anyone thinks you should not think big and achieve big thing even if it means u are a pastor of monk or priest or work in mosque or even be a charity BIG organisation, then you are being small... Why these big investments? its about Vision. Everyone has.
I see monks drive Mercedes, i saw monks buy Chicken rice, i see 10-metre tall buddhist statues.
Anything is possible.
Dream for yourself, why shoot others down when u cannot reach them?
:)
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Originally posted by mach10:
buy joss sticks, buy gold paper to burn, pay church 10%, donate mosque, philanthrophy works, charity programs on tv, get medium to jump, fortune telling, get feng shui master see your house, donate to singapore pool by buying toto 4D and etc,... Bleddi hell all these involves loads of money if you calculate them properly. temples can be built above 50million bucks... Mosques now look like City Harvest Church's Jurong west building, New Creation Church owns the whole East Coast commercial properties near Macs. If anyone thinks you should not think big and achieve big thing even if it means u are a pastor of monk or priest or work in mosque or even be a charity BIG organisation, then you are being small... Why these big investments? its about Vision. Everyone has.
I see monks drive Mercedes, i saw monks buy Chicken rice, i see 10-metre tall buddhist statues.
Anything is possible.
Dream for yourself, why shoot others down when u cannot reach them?
:)
so, if your children's ambition is to become religious leader, you should be happy because they are thinking big.
by the way, some monks are able to eat meat, it depends on which school they are following. thus, find out before you criticise.
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aiyah, i think you misunderstood Mach10 liao lah...............he's condemning those corrupted practices too...............he's just being overly sarcastic lah.................
only 2 types of people can tahan these BOGUS religious PRETENDERS...........
1) the mindless goons still making these farkers richer.............
2) fellow scamming farkers...............
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Originally posted by As romanista2001:
aiyah, i think you misunderstood Mach10 liao lah...............he's condemning those corrupted practices too...............he's just being overly sarcastic lah.................
only 2 types of people can tahan these BOGUS religious PRETENDERS...........
1) the mindless goons still making these farkers richer.............
2) fellow scamming farkers...............
Or some crazy guys waiting to take over the church and make it his own =)
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muslim pay 2.5 % to mosque ?
I heard they pay 2.5 % to mosques ?
Is it true ?
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you should check becoz if really 2.5% then you Christians have been overpaying for millenia liao............should ask for refund................then get 75% discount from now on.............
don't forget to calculate compound interest lost too as that 7.5% extra in the bank over the years when compounded can really add up............also must calculate inflation rate over the years too.....
cannot let these conniving, money-grubbing pedophiles-in-robes get away with it...............maybe not all are pedophiles but they're certainly parasites.............
maybe when City Harvest Church wants to buy more properties, the Pastor Dong Kee might increase the monthly fee............10% + 7% GST + Church Admin fee...............so must ask for refund ah...............discount too........