Christians need not be stupid
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Originally posted by BadzMaro:
But sometimes, a lil faith... can go a long way. Thats why the difference between me and u will most probably be that u will die in a desert scenario, while i may survive a couple hundred yards more, or even miraclelously survive with my faith and scientific knowledge of my physiology and its limits.
I don't like the idea of miracles nor supporting the thought that a dice roll is unpredictable. I like to believe that with practice the dice roll can always result in the same number I desire.
And I doubt that in the desert scenario that surviving a hundred yards more is due to faith. If a person with faith believed in death that there is deliverance from suffering, I think he will succumb to that thought more.
You are conjecturing. We cannot calculate faith nor can we find similar test subjects identifically and coincidentally similar in matter in similar controlled situations to figure out whether a person who believed in Christ can survive longer.
Speculation is biased.
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Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:
You seem to have ignored the "best of the alternatives" concept.
And you are implying?
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Originally posted by Nelstar:
And you are implying?
You missed a key idea in the philosophy of science, resulting in you making that statement.
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Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:
You missed a key idea in the philosophy of science, resulting in you making that statement.
So many big words but read your line in red again.
"You seem to have ignored the "best of the alternatives" concept.
Sure, some scientist will come up with a better interpretation of reality (with proofs, observations, evidence that can be replicated by anyone with the skill-set) as knowledge expands.
Once anyone comes up with evidence of god, of course I will accept the existence of god. Until then I would think it stupid and delusional to believe in things that do not come with scientific proofs. How can people believe things without evidence is weird."
So far, no scientist was able to replicate 'evolution' in a species aka they are still conjecturing.
And, please don't start with the years required. As I mentioned earlier, carbon dating is a flaw calculation of age. And evolution is based on the belief that a single-cell amoeba suddenly get lucky and evolved. Then the evolved creep got lucky and got lucky and got lucky again to evolve over the "millions" and "billions" to create a new lifeform.
Like you mentioned, it is delusional to support creation theory. Similarly, it applies both way, which is why I mentioned courage is needed to support either.
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Originally posted by Nelstar:
So many big words but read your line in red again.
"You seem to have ignored the "best of the alternatives" concept.
Sure, some scientist will come up with a better interpretation of reality (with proofs, observations, evidence that can be replicated by anyone with the skill-set) as knowledge expands.
Once anyone comes up with evidence of god, of course I will accept the existence of god. Until then I would think it stupid and delusional to believe in things that do not come with scientific proofs. How can people believe things without evidence is weird."
So far, no scientist was able to replicate 'evolution' in a species aka they are still conjecturing.
And, please don't start with the years required. As I mentioned earlier, carbon dating is a flaw calculation of age. And evolution is based on the belief that a single-cell amoeba suddenly get lucky and evolved. Then the evolved creep got lucky and got lucky and got lucky again to evolve over the "millions" and "billions" to create a new lifeform.
Like you mentioned, it is delusional to support creation theory. Similarly, it applies both way, which is why I mentioned courage is needed to support either.
When someone wins TOTO he is lucky. For the cell to evolve, that cell is lucky. Yet it has nothing to do with luck that someone won TOTO. It is a mathematical certainty that someone will get lucky and win TOTO. It is mathematical certainty that a cell will get lucky and evolve.
What is so courages about accepting evolution as the best answer for the time being? It comes with logic and scientific evidence.
What is so courages about accepting creation theory? It is comforting to believe that there is someone out there looking out for you. Delusional but comforting and sold by people asking you to give 10% of your salary to them.
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Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:
When someone wins TOTO he is lucky. For the cell to evolve, that cell is lucky. Yet it has nothing to do with luck that someone won TOTO. It is a mathematical certainty that someone will get lucky and win TOTO. It is mathematical certainty that a cell will get lucky and evolve.
What is so courages about accepting evolution as the best answer for the time being? It comes with logic and scientific evidence.
What is so courages about accepting creation theory? It is comforting to believe that there is someone out there looking out for you. Delusional but comforting and sold by people asking you to give 10% of your salary to them.
A cell get lucky to evolve? Then it is not a species my friend. 1 mutation does not cause a species. You need several mutations towards the same results to cause a species to evolve and then survive aka 1 person buy 1 million quick pick and tio toto 1st prize in at least 50 quick pick WEEKLY for at least a year. LoL.
LOL, scientific evidence showed the bones evolving to become a new species over time or scientific evidence to prove that similar bones means sure-evolved? Logic means accuracy?
I understand you do not believe in doctrines in Christianity, and truly neither do I. However, I find it refreshing that you are suggesting evolution is a law while creation is a theory when both are just theories.
It is like supporting a religion and calling another religion a fake. You are no different from whom you despised.
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Originally posted by Nelstar:
A cell get lucky to evolve? Then it is not a species my friend. 1 mutation does not cause a species. You need several mutations towards the same results to cause a species to evolve and then survive aka 1 person buy 1 million quick pick and tio toto 1st prize in at least 50 quick pick WEEKLY for at least a year. LoL.
LOL, scientific evidence showed the bones evolving to become a new species over time or scientific evidence to prove that similar bones means sure-evolved? Logic means accuracy?
I understand you do not believe in doctrines in Christianity, and truly neither do I. However, I find it refreshing that you are suggesting evolution is a law while creation is a theory when both are just theories.
It is like supporting a religion and calling another religion a fake. You are no different from whom you despised.
A beneficial mutation, like striking TOTO which in your mind is an impossibility when it is a mathematical certainty that someone will strike.
If enough people buy every week, then every week it is with mathematical certainty that someone will strike. I am surprised that you cannot even understand such simple mathematics.
Of course logic does not mean accuracy. That is why scientists look for evidence of evolution. I don't have to tell you that all you need is to Google to find the scientific evidence for evolution do I?
Christian doctrines come with logic, observations, evidence and experimentations? Christian doctrines are in compliant with other proven scientific laws like evolution is?
Give up your delusions, please but it will be difficult for you.
I know you are afraid to give up your delusions because as far as I can see, you do not have logic that you can depend on instead of your doctrines. Your few posts show that you do not understand how logic works and you have no idea (or wrong ideas because of your faulty logic) why people support evolution and why people reject creationist imaginings.
The minute someone creationist comes up with verifiable evidence, I will be the first to accept creation and reject evolution.
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Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:
Proof of the existence of god is everywhere? Name one.
You. Unfortunately.
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Originally posted by Nelstar:
I don't like the idea of miracles nor supporting the thought that a dice roll is unpredictable. I like to believe that with practice the dice roll can always result in the same number I desire.
And I doubt that in the desert scenario that surviving a hundred yards more is due to faith. If a person with faith believed in death that there is deliverance from suffering, I think he will succumb to that thought more.
You are conjecturing. We cannot calculate faith nor can we find similar test subjects identifically and coincidentally similar in matter in similar controlled situations to figure out whether a person who believed in Christ can survive longer.
Speculation is biased.
When i talk about faith under that situation, i am talking in his point of view, that Andrew claims faith is a delusion. Without that faith, he wouldve given up accepted his limits and died right at the spot without the will to even try.
Nothing is as predictable. To master the art and science of predictability requires studies, observations and gatherings of data to be "predictable".
Someone with faith will know his time of deliverence is at hand when when he tries and tries and tries and fails until there is no more he can do. He doesnt sit there and accept his fate so simply.
A person of faith may accept death openly like biting the bullet smiling before he denouces his faith, but will try to survive with his faith and his physiological limits if he is stranded in a desert.
You can try to cotrol your fate, you can bring ur umbrella, but u cant control whether it rains or not. You may walk on the safe side of the road, but u cant predict the drunk to be crashing up the sidewalk and hitting u in the safe walking zone.
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Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:
When someone wins TOTO he is lucky. For the cell to evolve, that cell is lucky. Yet it has nothing to do with luck that someone won TOTO. It is a mathematical certainty that someone will get lucky and win TOTO. It is mathematical certainty that a cell will get lucky and evolve.
What is so courages about accepting evolution as the best answer for the time being? It comes with logic and scientific evidence.
What is so courages about accepting creation theory? It is comforting to believe that there is someone out there looking out for you. Delusional but comforting and sold by people asking you to give 10% of your salary to them.
Seow! Pple strike toto cos he got lottery luck lah. Dont come here and talk cock about mathematical craps. If pple think like you, better ask govt to close toto and 4d shop. -
Originally posted by BadzMaro:
You. Unfortunately.
Sorry hor, there is no evidence god created me. I was created out of a biological process. It is just your delusion that god created me and it is only your delusion since you choose to believe something that does not come with proofs and evidence.
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Originally posted by likeyou:
Seow! Pple strike toto cos he got lottery luck lah. Dont come here and talk cock about mathematical craps. If pple think like you, better ask govt to close toto and 4d shop.Your posts show that you are a stupid person that has no understanding of logic and probabilities. You should cling on tightly to your religion for religion was invented for stupid people like you.
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Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:
A beneficial mutation, like striking TOTO which in your mind is an impossibility when it is a mathematical certainty that someone will strike.
If enough people buy every week, then every week it is with mathematical certainty that someone will strike. I am surprised that you cannot even understand such simple mathematics.
Of course logic does not mean accuracy. That is why scientists look for evidence of evolution. I don't have to tell you that all you need is to Google to find the scientific evidence for evolution do I?
Christian doctrines come with logic, observations, evidence and experimentations? Christian doctrines are in compliant with other proven scientific laws like evolution is?
Give up your delusions, please but it will be difficult for you.
I know you are afraid to give up your delusions because as far as I can see, you do not have logic that you can depend on instead of your doctrines. Your few posts show that you do not understand how logic works and you have no idea (or wrong ideas because of your faulty logic) why people support evolution and why people reject creationist imaginings.
The minute someone creationist comes up with verifiable evidence, I will be the first to accept creation and reject evolution.
This is ridiculously funny, just because someone dont agree with you doesnt mean someone agree with the opposition. Number 1. I dont believe in creation. Number 2. I dont believe in evolution either.If you cannot even register that possibility in your mind, it show how myopic you are.
Number 3. I do not support Christian doctrines, neither am I a Christian.
It is obviously that you had been clearly off the tangent from the start which is why I as you what you are implying.
Just because you can reject creation theory doesn't mean others cannot reject evolution theory and creation theory.
You tend to go overboard without understanding other people's post and make assumptions. Apparently, either you cannot comprehend or you are an egomaniac.
I don't need to go on further to expose your shortsightedness.
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Sorry AndrewPKYap my friend, but
1)You are very stupid to post this here as you are unreasonable in your claims. Just because you believe in evolution which is only a theory does not mean we have to be the same as you. If we were to follow you that means we need to jump off a building and just die if you do.
2)It has been proven that mutations are always bad
3)There is no proof that evolution happened. It is not observable. And those figures you see in the museums are actually made up by man's imagination. They merely find a backbone simillar to man's and claim it is man's ancestor.
4)There is no difference in believing that a cat will give birth to a dog if you believe in evolution. Evolutionists use the concept of time to justify that a monkey will give birth to a human.
5)Since you think you are a monkey, I suggest you go live in the wilderness naked, apart from humanity.
6)If you want to destroy religion like Richard Dawkins, go to the atheist forums.
7)The way you speak makes christians despise you more than you despise them.
8)If you want to carry on we shall continue to entertain you, probably with name-calling, cursing, and branding.
9) You are created through a bio-logical process but the way you talk makes no logic. Thus, you are illogical.
10) you should Go kiss a monkey's arse.
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Originally posted by BadzMaro:
When i talk about faith under that situation, i am talking in his point of view, that Andrew claims faith is a delusion. Without that faith, he wouldve given up accepted his limits and died right at the spot without the will to even try.
Nothing is as predictable. To master the art and science of predictability requires studies, observations and gatherings of data to be "predictable".
Someone with faith will know his time of deliverence is at hand when when he tries and tries and tries and fails until there is no more he can do. He doesnt sit there and accept his fate so simply.
A person of faith may accept death openly like biting the bullet smiling before he denouces his faith, but will try to survive with his faith and his physiological limits if he is stranded in a desert.
You can try to cotrol your fate, you can bring ur umbrella, but u cant control whether it rains or not. You may walk on the safe side of the road, but u cant predict the drunk to be crashing up the sidewalk and hitting u in the safe walking zone.
Point noted, I reserved my thoughts. As for the figurative speech weather control is actually possible.
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Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:
Your posts show that you are a stupid person that has no understanding of logic and probabilities. You should cling on tightly to your religion for religion was invented for stupid people like you.
So, you mean govt who legally open the tot and 4d shop also stupid lah. You, are the only one clever lah.Whatever religion I am, it is really non of your clever business.
Wow, religion was invented???? By you?
Seow!
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wow! @_@
very enlightening thread.....
but i prefer to stay neutral, cos there's no definite rite or wrong..... its a very personal choice arises from very personal experiences....
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Originally posted by Serendipia.dawn:
wow! @_@
very enlightening thread.....
but i prefer to stay neutral, cos there's no definite rite or wrong..... its a very personal choice arises from very personal experiences....
But the thing is, the TS here just likes to call non-believers of evolution stupid. As though he is so smart? He with his limited mortal human mind trying to replicate his own stupidity.
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Originally posted by Larryteo:
But the thing is, the TS here just likes to call non-believers of evolution stupid. As though he is so smart? He with his limited mortal human mind trying to replicate his own stupidity.
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Originally posted by Larryteo:
But the thing is, the TS here just likes to call non-believers of evolution stupid. As though he is so smart? He with his limited mortal human mind trying to replicate his own stupidity.
yar, i read abt his posts..... i understand where is he coming from lah.... he juz want to make sure we've a sober mind and do we noe wat we are doing or not..... as sometimes in the context of religion, there is a lot manipulation going around, and there are victims blur blur and sotong sotong being used and enslaved by leaders and etc lor.....
aiya, juz dont take offense lor and no point convincing or justify lah as religion is something very personal.... a very personal choice..... juz take it as i respect his point of view lor..... actually i find some of his comments quite enlightening........
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Agreed.
No preaching also.
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nah....~
i dun preach lah.... as i said is a very personal choice. be it u believe in God, Mary, Guan Yin, Da Bo Gong or etc..... when one believes, although he or she may not be able to articulate or justify the reasons behind his or her decisions, its his/her life mah, as long as he/she feels ok can liao..... then mayb down the road due to certain incidents or experiences or at the rite timing, he/she may or may not convert frm one religion to another, well in the end, its reli up to individual..... there is no point forcing doctrine down other people's throat lah, issues will backfired....
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dear one and all...
- this TS has a long history of aggression over people that does not agree with his world view, be it religious or political.
- he likes to use rude words on those that disagree with him.
- he calls himself a writer/author that supposedly has at least a book in his name, but be rest assured that the book has yet to be published.
you can read his delusional statement from here http://www.helium.com/users/34325
and here http://sites.google.com/a/casinogamblingprevention.com/www/
oh.... those interested can ask Mr Yap when his book is going to be published. he had said in the past that it will be done when the IRs open....
looking forward, Andrew.
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personally, i'd say, don't waste time on Andrew lah....
attention-whore.
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point noted....
=)